Chinese J10 is being inducted by Pakistan Airforce

[Lonewolf]

IMO This is good Chinese strategy to test the engines on porkis... Guinea pigs perhaps..

Can these sustain long flights and what's the overhaul times for these...

Overhaul time is less but then pakis don't fly their planes much , even their air chief have half the flying hours of any major air force chief . So they want to keep these for that one day for gazwa e hind wet dreams .

But isn't it a more riskier to fly these engine on a single engine platform , if the engine fails then it's doom

 

[THESIS THORON]

Overhaul time is less but then pakis don't fly their planes much , even their air chief have half the flying hours of any major air force chief . So they want to keep these for that one day for gazwa e hind wet dreams .

But isn't it a more riskier to fly these engine on a single engine platform , if the engine fails then it's doom

you know, most of pakis pilots have fake degree, so who cares

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

@safriz I am eagerly waiting for this chinese junk to be inducted in PAF so that I can get to hear about frequent crashes because PLAAF hides crashes
no doubt PAF would try to hide crashes as well but some information may leak out from Pakistan which was very difficult in case of China

 

[Kumata]

Nice balance articles on capabilities

How good is China’s J-10C fighter? We ask Justin Bronk from the RUSI think-tank

The Chinese J-10 is in service in large, and growing, numbers. The latest version, the J-10C, is a formidable machine. We spoke to Justin Bronk, Research Fellow for Airpower and Technology at the R…

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salmi be like " Sorry Abdul"

On J-10C in Beyond Visual Range combat; kinematically, it is likely to be somewhere close to a later Block F-16; the original J-10A’s thrust-weight ratio most likely having degraded due to weight growth as more advanced sensors, stores and kit such as HMS have been added.” —

the J-10C’s thrust-to-weight, an important measure for how ‘energetic’ the aircraft is, remains decent- above 1.1 -1 in a typical combat configuration. “With a light airframe, relaxed stability, decent (although not stellar) thrust to weight ratio and large canards, the J-10C is very agile in airshow configuration and the option for thrust vectoring only increases this capability at low speeds. However, the light airframe and small size relative to fighters like the J-20, Typhoon or F-15 mean that external stores and fuel tanks will have a more serious impact on both performance and agility than on larger fighters.”

Bronk believes the Pl-15 is not yet fully operational, “The PL-15 is certainly being shown off on carriage flights with a number of different PLAAF types, so being somewhere around what we in the West would term Initial Operating Capability but not near Full Operational Clearance is probably a decent bet. There is a fair bit of concern in the US fighter community about the PL-15; its size and design should allow it to technically outrange the AIM-120 series and a proper active radar seeker head gives a lot more tactical options than older semi-active Russian and Chinese ‘sticks’.” Though mechanically scanned radars are considered a technologically of the past, they remain the most common fighter sensor in the West. The J-10C has an Active Electronically Scanning Array radar, “Finally, its AESA radar should give the J-10C a significant advantage over older Mech-Scan equipped F-16s in the BVR arena; although having a great deal more experience in the technology, American fighter AESA sets are likely to remain superior where fitted especially in terms of advanced low-probability of intercept/detection (LPI/LPD) scanning modes.” In summary, Bronk firmly places the J-10C in Generation 4.5* “All in all, the J-10C is a significant leap into true ‘4.5th Generation’ capability for the PLAAF compared to the earlier variants of this distinctive bird. *something he defines as including “low-observability to radar; the ability to supercruise (fly at supersonic speed without using afterburners); and extreme manoeuvrability at all speeds.”.

 

[SexyChineseLady]

CAC no longer produces the J-10B so unless they were old inventory, it will not be B. Only J-10C is in production now.

The WS-10 is considered more reliable than the AL-31 or AL-41 which is why J-16s and J-11Bs are mainly used in the constant flights around Japan and Taiwan instead of the SU-30MKK or the SU-35.

China has never lost a plane to engine failure while running a high intensity campaign to wear out the air forces of Japan and RoC.

Thinking that the WS-10 is unreliable when it is in hundreds of J-10s, J-11Bs, J-16s and J-20s is just wishful thinking at this

 

[India Super Power]

CAC no longer produces the J-10B so unless they were old inventory, it will not be B. Only J-10C is in production now.

The WS-10 is considered more reliable than the AL-31 or AL-41 which is why J-16s and J-11Bs are mainly used in the constant flights around Japan and Taiwan instead of the SU-30MKK or the SU-35.

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China has never lost a plane to engine failure while running a high intensity campaign to wear out the air forces of Japan and RoC.

Best joke ws-10 more reliable than al-31

 

[SexyChineseLady]

Best joke ws-10 more reliable than al-31

It has replaced the AL-31 in the J-11, J-10 and J-20

 

[Lonewolf]

It has replaced the AL-31 in the J-11, J-10 and J-20

You said more than al41f too , any proof of that

 

[India Super Power]

It has replaced the AL-31 in the J-11, J-10 and J-20

That doesn't mean it's good than al-31
Yeah it's good that your forces are cooperating in indigenization

 

[India Super Power]

You said more than al41f too , any proof of that

Barely any data available for their claims regarding engines

 

[Love Charger]

Buy more tejas and if possible make Russians happy again
You know su 35 cough cough ...

 

[SexyChineseLady]

You said more than al41f too , any proof of that

China has AL-41 in SU-35. But the PLAAF/PLANAF use the WS-10 engined J-11B and J-16 almost exclusively against Japan and Taiwan. And these are very intensive campaigns -- nearly daily flights and interceptions.

If the AL-41 were more reliable then China would use the SU-35. But that is not the case.

 

[Lonewolf]

China has AL-41 in SU-35. But the PLAAF/PLANAF use the WS-10 engined J-11B and J-16 almost exclusively against Japan and Taiwan. And these are very intensive campaigns -- nearly daily flights and interceptions.

If the AL-41 were more reliable then China would use the SU-35. But that is not the case.

Number of both types of jets matter or propoganda cell of CCP don't give that info to you guys ?

 

[SexyChineseLady]

Number of both types of jets matter or propoganda cell of CCP don't give that info to you guys ?

The intercepts are logged by Japan and the RoC.


You have no data on the WS-10 but make up story that it is less reliable than AL-31 when it has replaced the AL-31 in J-10, J-11 and J-20? Why do you think you know better than the PLAAF?

Or the PAF? They can request the AL-31 too since they have no problems getting engines from Russia

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

CAC no longer produces the J-10B so unless they were old inventory, it will not be B. Only J-10C is in production now.

The WS-10 is considered more reliable than the AL-31 or AL-41 which is why J-16s and J-11Bs are mainly used in the constant flights around Japan and Taiwan instead of the SU-30MKK or the SU-35.

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China has never lost a plane to engine failure while running a high intensity campaign to wear out the air forces of Japan and RoC.

Thinking that the WS-10 is unreliable when it is in hundreds of J-10s, J-11Bs, J-16s and J-20s is just wishful thinking at this

Chinese state controlled media is not reliable all your neighbouring countries know this fact maybe only indians don’t know

 

[Lonewolf]

The intercepts are logged by Japan and the RoC.


You have no data on the WS-10 but make up story that it is less reliable than AL-31 when it has replaced the AL-31 in J-10, J-11 and J-20? Why do you think you know better than the PLAAF?

Or the PAF? They can request the AL-31 too since they have no problems getting engines from Russia

Or the terms of deal are so that they should get as 10 or they will pay more

 

[SexyChineseLady]

Chinese state controlled media is not reliable all your neighbouring countries know this fact maybe only indians don’t know

All China's neighboring countries to the East knows that Chinese aircraft and engines are pretty reliable. They are the ones dealing with Chinese aircraft flights on a daily basis

There are 34 J-16s with WS-10s, just 2 SU-30s with AL-31s and no SU-35s with AL-41s.

With so many WS-10s flying against Japan and Taiwan every week why are they not falling into the sea and being reported by Japan and RoC?

It is only wishful thinking from Indians that the WS-10 is less reliable than the AL-31.

 

[Lonewolf]

All China's neighboring countries to the East knows that Chinese aircraft and engines are pretty reliable. They are the ones dealing with Chinese aircraft flights on a daily basis

There are 34 J-16s with WS-10s, just 2 SU-30s with AL-31s and no SU-35s with AL-41s.

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With so many WS-10s flying against Japan and Taiwan every week why are they not falling into the sea and being reported by Japan and RoC?

It is only wishful thinking from Indians that the WS-10 is less reliable than the AL-31.

Any specs sheet of official performance of wa 10 or you want us to believe what a CCP not says ?

 

[SexyChineseLady]

Any specs sheet of official performance of wa 10 or you want us to believe what a CCP not says ?

You do not have to believe anyone

You can watch the WS-10 in PAF service for yourself

 

[Lonewolf]

You do not have to believe anyone

You can watch the WS-10 in PAF service for yourself

But who will tell why Pakistani opted for Chinese engine