Chinese Economic Espionage

asianobserve

Senior Member
Joined
May 5, 2011
Messages
10,438
Likes
5,379
Country flag
Court papers detail alleged Chinese espionage scheme

Earlier this year, an employee at a major US aerospace company shared a company presentation marked "proprietary" with an alleged Chinese intellectual property spy.

The employee later shared more files, and the information transfer led to the extradition and arrest of the alleged spy, who authorities say was part of a corporate espionage campaign involving a top Chinese university and directed by the Chinese government.

A federal indictment and other court documents released 10 October describe how US officials believe the scheme worked. They say China sought technical aerospace information, including data about composite materials used in jet engine fan blades and engine cases.

GE Aviation, based in Ohio, was among the companies targeted.

The alleged spy, Yanjun Xu, sought to gain information by convincing engineers and other aerospace experts to share company information under the guise of an information "exchange" and giving university presentations.

Xu was extradited from Belgium to the USA on 9 October, where he was arrested by US officials and charged with conspiring to commit economic espionage and to steal trade secrets.

Xu is a deputy division director within a regional division of the Chinese Ministry of State Security, the US government says. Cincinnati-based attorneys representing Xu did not respond to multiple requests for comment.

Court documents describe Xu as conspiring closely with an unnamed Chinese citizen "believed to be a deputy director" at Nanjing University of Aeronautics and Astronautics (NUAA).

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/a...tail-alleged-chinese-espionage-scheme-452613/

 

nongaddarliberal

Senior Member
Joined
Nov 1, 2016
Messages
1,865
Likes
5,588
Country flag
How well have they been able to integrate the stolen technology into their own industry? What are some products they have produced that they otherwise could not have without espionage?
 

sorcerer

Senior Member
Joined
Apr 13, 2013
Messages
18,308
Likes
53,535
Country flag
UCLA professor faces 219 years in prison for conspiring to send U.S. missile chips to China

According to a statement released last week from the Department of Justice, Yi-Chi Shih, 64, obtained access to a U.S. company’s computer system that includes commercial and military applications for the Air Force, Navy and the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency. The company produces semiconductor chips known as monolithic microwave integrated circuits, or MMICs, that are used in missiles, fighter jets, electronic warfare and radar applications.

“This defendant schemed to export to China semiconductors with military and civilian uses, then he lied about it to federal authorities and failed to report income generated by the scheme on his tax returns,” said U.S. Atty. Nicola Hanna. “My office will enforce laws that protect our nation’s intellectual property from being used to benefit foreign adversaries who may compromise our national security.”

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ucla-professor-military-china-20190711-story.html
 

ssg_slayer

Director at Search & Troll Wing - STW
Regular Member
Joined
Jul 20, 2019
Messages
351
Likes
977
How well have they been able to integrate the stolen technology into their own industry? What are some products they have produced that they otherwise could not have without espionage?
They depend on Taiwan for Semiconductors and still can't beat the japs and koreans when it comes to semiconductors designing. The ultimate designing capability is not there in China.
 

no smoking

Senior Member
Joined
Aug 14, 2009
Messages
4,131
Likes
839
Country flag
They depend on Taiwan for Semiconductors and still can't beat the japs and koreans when it comes to semiconductors designing. The ultimate designing capability is not there in China.
Completely wrong.
In the semiconductor industry, the bottleneck for China is semiconductor producing not designing. China herself can design all kinds of Chips from military to civilian usage while Korea and Taiwan can only design certain kinds of Chips. The challenge for Chinese is that their factory can't produce those middle to high end Chips because Western suppliers are only allowed to sell them the manufacturing equipment 1-2 generation below the latest model.
 

jadoogar

Regular Member
Joined
Nov 1, 2016
Messages
188
Likes
317
Country flag
Completely wrong.
In the semiconductor industry, the bottleneck for China is semiconductor producing not designing. China herself can design all kinds of Chips from military to civilian usage while Korea and Taiwan can only design certain kinds of Chips. The challenge for Chinese is that their factory can't produce those middle to high end Chips because Western suppliers are only allowed to sell them the manufacturing equipment 1-2 generation below the latest model.
Why aren't the Chinese producing semiconductor manufacturing equipment or is it a work in progress?

Chinese were able to steal or get technical info from semi fab engineers in Taiwan so they were having success with fabs. Associated capital equipment is not produced in Taiwan or Korea so that is harder to steal.
 

ssg_slayer

Director at Search & Troll Wing - STW
Regular Member
Joined
Jul 20, 2019
Messages
351
Likes
977
The challenge for Chinese is that their factory can't produce those middle to high end Chips because Western suppliers are only allowed to sell them the manufacturing equipment 1-2 generation below the latest model.
What nonsense!

You are capable to design the chips but you can't produce them? Who on earth will believe that crap!

Fact check:

There are alternatives in China, but the gap in technology is too big,” an executive from one of China’s leading artificial intelligence chipmakers, which relies on U.S. technology for chip design, told Nikkei. “If we lose access to U.S. software or can no longer receive updates, our chip development will run into a dead end.”

His thoughts were echoed by executives from NextVPU, an AI firm started by ex-AMD staff, and by others, including a representative from the Semiconductor Manufacturing International Co, or SMIC, mainland China’s leading, most-advanced foundry. “We would use whatever chip equipment and materials we have locally if their performances were good enough,” said a manager from Semiconductor Manufacturing International Co., China’s top contract chipmaker. “But we still need [American] equipment, materials, IPs and chip design software. It’s not likely for any of the chipmakers in the world… to get rid of American vendors soon.”

https://www.extremetech.com/computi...ant-meet-mandated-goals-without-us-technology


Following the U.S. announcement, the BBC reported that ARM had told staff to suspend business with Huawei, citing an internal document that referenced the fact their designs contained technology with a “U.S. origin.”

Budd told Caixin that although ARM is headquartered in the U.K., the U.S. blacklisting would impact the company because ARM operates globally and has many researchers based in the U.S.

ARM has been an important partner for Huawei. ARM’s designs are the basis of the central processing units in 90% of the world’s mobile handsets, and Huawei is no exception. ARM also plays a significant role in the Chinese company’s efforts to develop its own chips as part of its plan to circumvent technology blocks from the U.S.

For example, the Kirin series chips launched by Huawei subsidiary HiSilicon for its own smartphones last year were based on ARM designs.

Asked whether the U.S. export ban would affect ARM’s business in China, Budd said the company would continue investing in the country and work together with Chinese companies but did not specifically say it would continue to work with Huawei.
https://www.caixinglobal.com/2019-0...-breaks-silence-on-huawei-ties-101429005.html
 

no smoking

Senior Member
Joined
Aug 14, 2009
Messages
4,131
Likes
839
Country flag
What nonsense!
You are capable to design the chips but you can't produce them? Who on earth will believe that crap!
There is nothing strange about that:
For example, Huwei own Kirin 980 requires 7nm procss, but Chinese suppliers just make 28nm mask aligner mature while AMSL is not allowed to export 7nm mask aligner to China until 2018. So, Huwei has to give all its Kirin 980 produciton to TSMC.
Even this agreement is reached with the promise that Huwai need to use some of Taiwan design chips in its products.

Well, you claimed that Chines completely rely on Korean and Taiwanese for Chip design. Now you provide the fact that Chinese rely on US/UK Chip designing tool to back up your claim? Very funny.
 

ssg_slayer

Director at Search & Troll Wing - STW
Regular Member
Joined
Jul 20, 2019
Messages
351
Likes
977
Well, you claimed that Chines completely rely on Korean and Taiwanese for Chip design. Now you provide the fact that Chinese rely on US/UK Chip designing tool to back up your claim? Very funny.
I thought Chinese had good IQ, you fell for my trap and spoke it yourself that you rely on US/UK chip design. :p
 

no smoking

Senior Member
Joined
Aug 14, 2009
Messages
4,131
Likes
839
Country flag
I thought Chinese had good IQ, you fell for my trap and spoke it yourself that you rely on US/UK chip design. :p
Again, genius, I said that Chinese is relying US/UK chip design TOOL.
Of course, you BS trap can get anyone.
 

rockdog

Regular Member
Joined
Dec 29, 2010
Messages
830
Likes
447
Country flag
so why don't you design your own tools lol


Empyrean
Founded in June of 2009 by China Integrated Circuit Design Group and SDIC High-tech Investment, the headquarters of Empyrean is located in Beijing, China’s Wang Jing Hi-Tech Park. Huada Empyrean Software provides the professional electronic design automation (EDA) software, IP, and design services, including analog / mixed analog-digital IC...

TSMC - EDA Alliance
https://www.tsmc.com/english/dedicatedFoundry/oip/eda_alliance.htm


SMIC IP R&D Center Applies EDA Solution of Beijing Empyrean
https://www.design-reuse.com/news/32991/smic-empyrean.html
 

sorcerer

Senior Member
Joined
Apr 13, 2013
Messages
18,308
Likes
53,535
Country flag
indiatimes.com

Xiaomi Phones Found Collecting Private User Data And Sharing It On Chinese Servers
Aishwarya Dharni

3 minutes

In India, Xiaomi has claimed the spot of the most popular smartphone maker, while also sitting at one of the top in terms of sale of devices across the nation. Offering great specs at an affordable price tag has been a tempting many Indians from buying Xiaomi phones. However, a new report reveals that this tempting package comes at the cost of privacy.
Reuters
In a report by Forbes, cybersecurity researcher Cirlig revealed that he found his Xiaomi Redmi Note 8 was ‘watching what he was doing on his phone.’ he found that his data was being tracked and was being sent to remote servers hosted by Chinese cloud giant Alibaba which were apparently owned by Xiaomi itself.
While using Xioami’s preloaded browser he found that it recorded each and every website he ever visited. This includes queries entered in search engines, as well as everything that he viewed on the news feed. Even the incognito mode on the phone wasn’t spared from this tracking.
It gets creepier as he also saw that the phone was keeping a track of what folders he opened as well as the screens he switched. All the data was being sent to servers in Singapore, Russia with the web domain registered and hosted in the Chinese capital Beijing.
He saw this to be the case not just in the budget device he was using but also premium flagships that were being offered by the brand like Mi 10, Redmi K20 as well as Mi Mix 3. All the devices had the same browser code that made Cirlig suspect that they’ve got similar privacy concerns.



Xiaomi, however, has denied this, stating, “The research claims are untrue. Privacy and security is of top concern.” it also stated that it strictly follows and is fully compliant with local laws and regulations on user data privacy matters. They also disagreed with the fact that data was being collected in incognito mode.
However, a spokesperson did also confirm that it was collecting browsing data, stating the information was anonymized so wasn’t tied to any identity. The spokesperson also stated that the users had consented to such tracking (basically in the ‘I agree that people do while signing up on a new phone).
Cirlig, however, pointed it out that the device was collecting data identifying the device using specific numbers and Android versions, which can be easily correlated, making the premise of anonymity moot.
Would you still trust buying a Xiaomi phone? Tell us in the comments below.


 

Latest Replies

Global Defence

New threads

Articles

Top