China’s Warning To India : Give Us Tawang, Or Else

[Bornubus]

J-10 is like Mig 29 , despite called as Multirole , it's mainly a area defense fighter or interceptor . It's ground attack quality is really questionable , similar or little greater than our Tejas .I think they are there to counter our MKI's.
Chinese ALCM with 2000+ km range would be bigger threat for us , as they have much larger heavy bombers in hundreds of no.

Last time they send 2 J 11 when their Radar picked up our Jets (unidentified) flying to close to the LAC near Tawang.

 

[Willy2]

Last time they send 2 J 11 when their Radar picked up our Jets (unidentified) flying to close to the LAC near Tawang.

And what possible armament it might have in that mission , 2 PL-9 .
Yes, Chinese J-10 are in Tibet , but as ur example shows they are more likely to be used as interceptor/area-defense fighter.
In past we also use Mig-21 along chinese bordered airbases , which later replace by Multirole Mirage and now Su-30 ,It think even we don't even put our Brahmos carrying super sukhoi along chinese border .

 

[hardip]

the tone of this............

chines .....Not asking but crying...

Unan...
unan...nnn.....
unannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn..,,,

Give..... t...u....a....n.....g.......................gggggg

unaaaaaan..........................!!!!!!!!


Ha aha hha,.... chinese is know india modi govt. never giveup...

and never be under thred... so... now chinese with KATORA..... and demending...WHICH WILL NEVER HAPPEN....

 

[Compersion]

I don't think it is in psyche of either prc and India to belittle one another and fight.

The above statement by the chap is the example of trying to look good . It's better to have the best possible idea to make sure that resolution is there. The above fits into a catapult of convenience. Prc idea is to have imagined superiority even on words. It won't happen due to multiple issues. One is Tibet. A big one is water and religion. Another is Pakistan.

We will approach such things and discuss issues. PRC use of Pakistan and North Korea is not a good trend. Many a times it is expressly anti India. PRC wants it to be known that they are a holding trust of all Chinese people in world ... but our border issues and relationship details not only Chinese people. It sometimes goes far beyond into simple facts and truths that is not conciliatory to PRC.

In scheme of arrangements probably this won't need to be managed there is a lot of action out there. But I can imagine India having contingency and planning for control over areas where they need access. Like PRC needed access to west and took Aksin chin. Ironically Such access are now not only for prc movement from east to west but dangerous trend of west to east. The Islamisation of prc west has sent the Chinese people into a great role model for their own and also governments of the world are reacting.

We are also not realising the big need for India to enter into east and connect with the Chinese people and others to our east. Only matter of time. Our expertise and skills are evident on our west.

I wish good relations. The Chinese people and Bhartiya people have been side by side for many eras. Many times Chinese people have made statements of peace, gratitude and truth. But we must not make the mistake of yesteryear and take the peaceful and gratitude statement to be always truthful. If PRC wants to represent Chinese people we won't be responsible for what the others have had asked for us to do.

We can talk in such language. We can even talk in others language. We can even speak multiple language in fluency and fluidity. fact is deep down the above chap knows something is lingering and it sure is not comfortable. When the elephant will be invited to eat ... pride before fall.

 

[SexyChineseLady]

But which aircrafts ? I agree on older generation Q 5 Fantans which are mostly useless for Ground Attack at those Altitude.


But their J 10 can take off from Air fields located 12,000 ft with 3500 ~ kg and strike distance @ 800 ~ km

China actually have very little frontline troops in Tibet. The PLA professional core is built around mechanized/armor divisions and the nearest one to Tibet is actually in another province, Xinjiang. The same with PLAAF assets. The nearest major air bases are outside Tibet. The geography is one reason. The other reason is threat perception. China is surrounded by truly formidable races and nations to its East. The US, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Taiwan, etc. Therefore nearly all of China's modern equipment and formations are located east.

You will never see a J-11 or even a J-10 along the India border. There are pictures of these by US and Japanese forces during interceptions all the time but NEVER by Indian ones. The main Chinese force on the Indian border is the People's Armed Police.

To be honest, I think India enjoys all the advantages along the border. India has sea-level airfields and a far larger number of troops. But war is very unlikely because China is focused East and India is Gandhi, pacifist.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

China’s Warning To India : Give Us Tawang, Or Else


India-China relations have broadened over the years with not a single shot fired along the disputed borders since the signing of the Peace and Tranquillity Treaty between the two sides. Military exchanges and other high level visits have become a regular affair. There is convergence of interest in several regional and international affairs.

But there are many sticking points which impinge upon India’s core interests. The latest is the issue of Arunachal Pradesh and its capital Tawang, on India’s border with Tibet, which China claims as its Autonomous Region under China’s sovereignty. India endorsed this position in 2003 when Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee visited China.

In an interview with a Beijing based publication recently, Dai Bingguo, a former high ranking diplomat and communist party leader said, “The major reason the boundary question persists is that China’s reasonable requests (for Tawang) have not been met (by India) … if the Indian side takes care of China’s concerns on the eastern section of the border, the Chinese side will respond accordingly and address India’s concerns elsewhere”.

Responding to news from India that the 14th Dalai Lama will be allowed to visit Tawang in March as a pilgrim and the junior minister for Home Affairs of the central government Kiran Rijiju will be there to receive him, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang issued (March 03) a warning to India. Geng said “China is gravely concerned” over this development, holding out the threat that the Dalai Lama’s visit to Tawang will “cause serious damage to peace and stability of the border region and China-India relations”.

Geng Shuang’s statement is the official position of the Chinese government, which is governed by the communist party of China. How serious is China about this threat? When they challenge India in the words of the foreign ministry, do they say if the Dalai Lama visits Arunachal Pradesh, the agreement of the 1993 Peace and Tranquillity Treaty, the Confidence Building Measures and the 2005 agreement of political modalities for settling the border issue will be torn to bits? In none of these treaties and agreements has the question of the Dalai Lama been mentioned. Gradually the Chinese authorities began protesting against visits of Indian leaders including the visit of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to Arunachal Pradesh. That too, in sharp words.

The sharp edge and aggressive posture of the Chinese foreign ministry was quickly toned down the next day by the spokeswoman of the ongoing annual National People’s Congress (NPC), Fu Ying. At a press conference for the NPC Fu specifically addressed India-China relations and how it had broadly expanded over the years in a large number of areas from trade to military and frequent high level exchanges to consensus on regional and international issues. She agreed that while some disputes remain, they have been properly discussed through diplomatic channels. She appealed for more understanding of each other and not let disputes stand in the way of cooperation.

Three statements on India by three different high level Chinese officials in different tones make things very interesting in the context of India-China relations. Nobody in China speaks on such important issues without clearance of every word from a sufficiently high level. Are there two views on India among the Communist Party Central Committee and its politburo? This is very unlikely in foreign policy. Or did the South Asia Division of the Chinese foreign ministry overstep their brief, given their long time close relations with Pakistan? Because, it appears, they have been pulled back. Or, is it the old blow hot, blow cold policy?

Dai Bingguo’s proposal on Tawang is not new. It has been held out before and allowed to cool or taken back like some others on the border issue. Clear parameters have never been stated as to what they will cede in the Western Sector. If India agrees to a discussions do not go China’s way, they can withdraw on the grounds that it was only a thought or an idea, and Dai was not the government’s official representative. If anyone believes that China may be willing to opt for Tawang only and give up its claim over the rest of Arunachal Pradesh, which it now calls South Tibet, is day dreaming on the beaches of Hawaii.

According to the 2005 agreement on political modalities for reserving the border issue between the two countries, no populated areas on either side will be transferred. Tawang has a settled population. Since the signing of this agreement China has been trying to either eliminate or dilute this particular clause by some means or the other. The danger is that if one agreement is tampered with, others will follow. Whatever has been achieved since late Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi’s path breaking visit to China in 1988, late Prime Minister Narasimha Rao’s visit in 1993, and Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee’s in 2003, and other confidence building measures, all will begin to unravel. Back to 1962 is not wanted by either of the two countries, or the regional and international actors.

China’s argument that since the 6th Dalai Lama Tsangyang Gyatso was born in Tawang, it is close to the hearts and religious sentiments of the Tibetan people, and India should make this concession. According to Tibetan Buddhism, the Dalai Lama may be born anywhere but his seat is at the Drepung Monanstery in Lhasa, Tibet. It is a Gelug School of Mahayana Buddhism tradition.

The Tawang monastery, known as the Galden Namgey Lhatse Monastery in Tibetan, was founded by Lama Lodre Gyatso in 1680-81 according to the wishes of the 5th Dalai Lama, Ngawang Lobsang Gyatso. It is also the seat of the Karma-Kargyu sect. The Galden monastery had a religious association with the Drepung monastery that is all.

China, simply, does not have any claim on Tawang. Under such specious arguments the Vatican can claim all Roman Catholic countries.

The Global Times (March 6), a mouthpiece of the Chinese Communist Party, placed further pressure on the 14th Dalai Lama’s upcoming pilgrimage to Tawang. The commentary by Yu Ning said “These Indian officials apparently didn’t realize, or deliberately ignored, the severe consequences the Dalai Lama’s trip (to Tawang) would bring”. The words are not only misleading but also disparaging about Indian officials. This is a handover from the Maoist era when intemperate language was used against foreign countries and leaders.

The commentary went on to say that “Leveraging the Dalai Lama issue to undermine Beijing’s core interest (emphasis added) risks dragging the two countries into a state of hostility”.

These comments come at a time when the two sessions of the CPPCC and NPC are being held in the capital, Beijing, to have the maximum impact on the large number of deputies gathered. India has not given the Dalai Lama any privilege which was not accorded to him earlier. The only difference is that India used to sweep Chinese attacks under the carpet in the interest of stability and promoting good relations. The Indian people are no longer willing to suffer the Chinese onslaughts. The Dalai Lama is a highly revered spiritual leader.

China appears to be very frustrated with India’s disinclination to join the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) and their “One Road, One Belt” (OBOR) initiative. Persuasive pressure through diplomatic channels and media offensive on India has sharply increased. India has its own foreign policy and economic policy interest, and improving relations with China is one of them. And this is in China’s interest, too.

Raising the temperature at this time is an ill- advised move. India has its own core interests and strategic interests. China is yet to address them positively.
http://www.defencenews.in/article/China’s-Warning-To-India--Give-Us-Tawang,-Or-Else-250922
@sayareakd @Bornubus @ Kunal Biswas @hammer head @Project Dharma @Indx TechStyle @all

China’s Warning To India : Give Us Tawang, Or Else


India-China relations have broadened over the years with not a single shot fired along the disputed borders since the signing of the Peace and Tranquillity Treaty between the two sides. Military exchanges and other high level visits have become a regular affair. There is convergence of interest in several regional and international affairs.

But there are many sticking points which impinge upon India’s core interests. The latest is the issue of Arunachal Pradesh and its capital Tawang, on India’s border with Tibet, which China claims as its Autonomous Region under China’s sovereignty. India endorsed this position in 2003 when Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee visited China.

In an interview with a Beijing based publication recently, Dai Bingguo, a former high ranking diplomat and communist party leader said, “The major reason the boundary question persists is that China’s reasonable requests (for Tawang) have not been met (by India) … if the Indian side takes care of China’s concerns on the eastern section of the border, the Chinese side will respond accordingly and address India’s concerns elsewhere”.

Responding to news from India that the 14th Dalai Lama will be allowed to visit Tawang in March as a pilgrim and the junior minister for Home Affairs of the central government Kiran Rijiju will be there to receive him, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang issued (March 03) a warning to India. Geng said “China is gravely concerned” over this development, holding out the threat that the Dalai Lama’s visit to Tawang will “cause serious damage to peace and stability of the border region and China-India relations”.

Geng Shuang’s statement is the official position of the Chinese government, which is governed by the communist party of China. How serious is China about this threat? When they challenge India in the words of the foreign ministry, do they say if the Dalai Lama visits Arunachal Pradesh, the agreement of the 1993 Peace and Tranquillity Treaty, the Confidence Building Measures and the 2005 agreement of political modalities for settling the border issue will be torn to bits? In none of these treaties and agreements has the question of the Dalai Lama been mentioned. Gradually the Chinese authorities began protesting against visits of Indian leaders including the visit of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to Arunachal Pradesh. That too, in sharp words.

The sharp edge and aggressive posture of the Chinese foreign ministry was quickly toned down the next day by the spokeswoman of the ongoing annual National People’s Congress (NPC), Fu Ying. At a press conference for the NPC Fu specifically addressed India-China relations and how it had broadly expanded over the years in a large number of areas from trade to military and frequent high level exchanges to consensus on regional and international issues. She agreed that while some disputes remain, they have been properly discussed through diplomatic channels. She appealed for more understanding of each other and not let disputes stand in the way of cooperation.

Three statements on India by three different high level Chinese officials in different tones make things very interesting in the context of India-China relations. Nobody in China speaks on such important issues without clearance of every word from a sufficiently high level. Are there two views on India among the Communist Party Central Committee and its politburo? This is very unlikely in foreign policy. Or did the South Asia Division of the Chinese foreign ministry overstep their brief, given their long time close relations with Pakistan? Because, it appears, they have been pulled back. Or, is it the old blow hot, blow cold policy?

Dai Bingguo’s proposal on Tawang is not new. It has been held out before and allowed to cool or taken back like some others on the border issue. Clear parameters have never been stated as to what they will cede in the Western Sector. If India agrees to a discussions do not go China’s way, they can withdraw on the grounds that it was only a thought or an idea, and Dai was not the government’s official representative. If anyone believes that China may be willing to opt for Tawang only and give up its claim over the rest of Arunachal Pradesh, which it now calls South Tibet, is day dreaming on the beaches of Hawaii.

According to the 2005 agreement on political modalities for reserving the border issue between the two countries, no populated areas on either side will be transferred. Tawang has a settled population. Since the signing of this agreement China has been trying to either eliminate or dilute this particular clause by some means or the other. The danger is that if one agreement is tampered with, others will follow. Whatever has been achieved since late Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi’s path breaking visit to China in 1988, late Prime Minister Narasimha Rao’s visit in 1993, and Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee’s in 2003, and other confidence building measures, all will begin to unravel. Back to 1962 is not wanted by either of the two countries, or the regional and international actors.

China’s argument that since the 6th Dalai Lama Tsangyang Gyatso was born in Tawang, it is close to the hearts and religious sentiments of the Tibetan people, and India should make this concession. According to Tibetan Buddhism, the Dalai Lama may be born anywhere but his seat is at the Drepung Monanstery in Lhasa, Tibet. It is a Gelug School of Mahayana Buddhism tradition.

The Tawang monastery, known as the Galden Namgey Lhatse Monastery in Tibetan, was founded by Lama Lodre Gyatso in 1680-81 according to the wishes of the 5th Dalai Lama, Ngawang Lobsang Gyatso. It is also the seat of the Karma-Kargyu sect. The Galden monastery had a religious association with the Drepung monastery that is all.

China, simply, does not have any claim on Tawang. Under such specious arguments the Vatican can claim all Roman Catholic countries.

The Global Times (March 6), a mouthpiece of the Chinese Communist Party, placed further pressure on the 14th Dalai Lama’s upcoming pilgrimage to Tawang. The commentary by Yu Ning said “These Indian officials apparently didn’t realize, or deliberately ignored, the severe consequences the Dalai Lama’s trip (to Tawang) would bring”. The words are not only misleading but also disparaging about Indian officials. This is a handover from the Maoist era when intemperate language was used against foreign countries and leaders.

The commentary went on to say that “Leveraging the Dalai Lama issue to undermine Beijing’s core interest (emphasis added) risks dragging the two countries into a state of hostility”.

These comments come at a time when the two sessions of the CPPCC and NPC are being held in the capital, Beijing, to have the maximum impact on the large number of deputies gathered. India has not given the Dalai Lama any privilege which was not accorded to him earlier. The only difference is that India used to sweep Chinese attacks under the carpet in the interest of stability and promoting good relations. The Indian people are no longer willing to suffer the Chinese onslaughts. The Dalai Lama is a highly revered spiritual leader.

China appears to be very frustrated with India’s disinclination to join the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) and their “One Road, One Belt” (OBOR) initiative. Persuasive pressure through diplomatic channels and media offensive on India has sharply increased. India has its own foreign policy and economic policy interest, and improving relations with China is one of them. And this is in China’s interest, too.

Raising the temperature at this time is an ill- advised move. India has its own core interests and strategic interests. China is yet to address them positively.
http://www.defencenews.in/article/China’s-Warning-To-India--Give-Us-Tawang,-Or-Else-250922
@sayareakd @Bornubus @ Kunal Biswas @hammer head @Project Dharma @Indx TechStyle @all

Else China will piss in pant.,.........................

 

[Tiger.Hind]

China's Artillery Force in Tibet, called Special Rocket Force I think (@Sjha1618 covers it) is more of threat||

Few dozen silos + airfields, mean hard to take back although aksai chin should be doable but:

http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2015/11/ruse-and-reality-on-border.html

Thoughts?

 

[Bornubus]

China actually have very little frontline troops in Tibet. The PLA professional core is built around mechanized/armor divisions and the nearest one to Tibet is actually in another province, Xinjiang. The same with PLAAF assets. The nearest major air bases are outside Tibet. The geography is one reason. The other reason is threat perception. China is surrounded by truly formidable races and nations to its East. The US, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Taiwan, etc. Therefore nearly all of China's modern equipment and formations are located east.

You will never see a J-11 or even a J-10 along the India border. There are pictures of these by US and Japanese forces during interceptions all the time but NEVER by Indian ones. The main Chinese force on the Indian border is the People's Armed Police.

To be honest, I think India enjoys all the advantages along the border. India has sea-level airfields and a far larger number of troops. But war is very unlikely because China is focused East and India is Gandhi, pacifist.

But we must also remember that this is how you (Chinese) backstabbed us in the back in 1962.

 

[Anikastha]

Or Else....?
Kya BC ?
..................

 

[Willy2]

You will never see a J-11 or even a J-10 along the India border. There are pictures of these by US and Japanese forces during interceptions all the time but NEVER by Indian ones. The main Chinese force on the Indian border is the People's Armed Police.

This Photo was posted by ur countrymen either here or in PDF long time ago , may be 4-5 years ,Even if china don't have J-10 in Tibet by then but it will surely not let it airspace open after we start deploying MKI, may be our response of deploying MKI is du eto ur deployment .
However even if chinese airforce don't permanently place their jets in Tibet , but no guarantee that China don't maintain ground staff and additional facility in those "empty" bases , in case PLAAF regiments after regiments can be placed along Indian border with in 24 hours. Better not to let our guard down .
And also don't believe that those force who camped for a month in DBO are some "military" police .Our force face regular incursion by Chinese military .

 

[Bornubus]

PLAF has long been deployed their J 11 near LAC which are superior than J 10. If they deploy operationalize their S 400 near LAC then Tawang will be no fly zone for IAF


Near standoff last time.

 

[captscooby81]

Was this news from TOI ???? ... what it mean two nuclear armed Aircraft did they sent an aircraft with nuclear missile just to stop an aircraft ...they wanted to put a graphic of the situation but they made graphic situation of the issue itself with the wordings ..:biggrin2::biggrin2:

PLAF has long been deployed their J 11 near LAC which are superior than J 10. If they deploy operationalize their S 400 near LAC then Tawang will be no fly zone for IAF


Near standoff last time.


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[pmaitra]

Threads merged. Thanks again @Indx TechStyle for the link.

 

[lcafanboy]

You have 2 thread by mistake.


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My id was having problem it was not working properly and was irratic and I could not make out whether thread was posted or not and was working slow (probably after being banned due to me abusing zarvan in ababeel thread). Now my id is working ok so there will be no such issues.

 

[lcafanboy]

Fears of next Dalai behind Beijing’s Tawang claim?

Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama. (AP photo)

BEIJING: China is worried about the next Dalai Lama emerging from a foreign country, which probably explains its stiff opposition to the upcoming visit of the present Buddhist spiritual leader to Tawang in Arunachal Pradesh, which is the birthplace of one of his predecessors in the 6th century.

Experts at a government think-tank on Thursday said that the visit will certainly hurt India-China relationship. Tawang is part of China, Lian Xiangmin, director of Institute of Contemporary Tibetan Studies at China Tibetology Research Centre (CTRC), said at a press conference. He cited historical links between mainland China and Tawang to substantiate his claim.



"One of the three major temples of Tibet is Zhaibang (Drepung monastery near Lhasa), and Tawang was a subsidiary of Drepung and in history, Tawang's monks went to Drepung to study sutras," he said. He said that in the past, the Tawang shrine under Drepung made contributions to the local government. This is why Tawang is part of Tibet, which in turn makes it part of China, he argued.

"During his [last] visit to Tawang, the Dalai Lama said Tawang is a part of India.That is not true and not according to facts," Lian said referring to the Tibetan leader's earlier 2009 visit. The Tibetan leader is due to visit Tawang on April 5.

"We do not want to see such things happening time and again. This time around the Indian government has again arranged the visit, it will only hurt friendly relations between the two countries," the expert said, adding Dalai Lama's planned visit "touches a sensitive issue and undoubtedly negatively affects China-India relations".

Chinese foreign ministry has also objected, saying the visit will complicate the ongoing border problem between the two countries.

China is likely to choose a successor for the Dalai Lama, Lian said during a rare interaction between government experts on Tibetan studies and journalists. The Tibetan leader is now 81, and China is keen that his successor comes from a place which it controls. But it is afraid that the successor might emerge from any Tibetan inhabited area in India or an area like Tawang which is bordering China's Tibet region.

"While the succession needs to be decided or implemented according to historical conventions and religious rituals, my hope as an academic is that his successor should be found in his home in China," Lian said pointing out that there are six million Tibetan people in the country, and only 200,000 Tibetans live outside China.

"So far, there are have been 14 Dalai Lamas produced in China," Lian said



http://m.timesofindia.com/india/fea...eijings-tawang-claim/articleshow/57801903.cms

 

[lcafanboy]

Tawang a part of China, Dalai Lama's visit would hurt ties, says Beijing think tank
In a rare interaction with journalists along with other CTRC scholars on Thursday, Lian asserted China's claims on Tawang in Arunachal Pradesh, citing its historical links with Tibet, and said the Dalai Lama's visit would hurt relations.

Ananth Krishnan | Posted by Ankit Misra
Beijing, March 23, 2017 | UPDATED 17:49 IST
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  China has raised objections with India on Dalai Lama's upcoming visit to Tawang in April.
  
  
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  The Dalai Lama's visit would hurt relations, China told India.
  
  
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  China claims 90,000 sq km in Arunachal Pradesh and calls Tawang its territory.
  

A Chinese scholar, who advises Beijing on Tibet, said on Thursday that Tawang in Arunachal Pradesh was "a part of China" and that the Dalai Lama's upcoming visit to Tawang would "hurt" relations between India and China.

China was also likely to choose a successor to the 14th Dalai Lama from within China, said Lian Xiangmin, Director of Institute of Contemporary Tibetan Studies at the China Tibetology Research Centre (CTRC), an influential official think-tank that advises the government on its Tibet policy.

In a rare interaction with journalists along with other CTRC scholars on Thursday, Lian asserted China's claims on Tawang in Arunachal Pradesh, citing its historical links with Tibet, and said the Dalai Lama's visit would hurt relations.

China's Foreign Ministry said this month it had raised the Dalai Lama's upcoming visit to Tawang, likely 'to be from April 5-7, with India through official diplomatic channels and expressed "grave concerns". Under the boundary dispute in the eastern sector, China claims 90,000 sq km in Arunachal Pradesh and has expressed particularly strong claims on Tawang in the border talks since 1985.

Lian on Thursday reiterated China's claims on Tawang. "One of the three major temples of Tibet is Zhaibang (Drepung monastery near Lhasa), and Tawang was a subsidiary of Drepung and in history, Tawang's monks went to Drepung to study sutras. Tawang under Drepung also made contributions to the local government. So Tawang is part of Tibet and Tibet is part of China, so Tawang is part of China. So this is not much of a question."

Although Tawang may have had historical links with Lhasa, the real source of contention is whether or not Tibet was then a part of China as Beijing claims, or whether that only began with the People's Liberation Army's occupation of Tibet in 1951.

HITS OUT AT INDIA ON TAWANG VISIT

Lian also hit out at the Indian government, saying the Dalai Lama's upcoming visit, as his 2009 Tawang trip did, would "undermine" relations. "In recent years, the Indian government has given support or made arrangements for the Dalai Lama to visit the Tawang region, so it seems to us as something not so friendly", he said.

"During his [last] visit to Tawang, the Dalai Lama said Tawang is a part of India. That is not true and not according to facts. It undermines the friendly relations between China and India. We do not want to see such things happening time and again. This time around the Indian government again arranged the visit, it will only hurt friendly relations between the two countries. We know about the boundary question. We shouldn't touch sensitive areas. Such a visit by the Dalai Lama touches a sensitive issue and undoubtedly negatively affects China-India relations."

SUCCESSION QUESTION

Lian also said China would likely determine its own successor to the 14th Dalai Lama. The Dalai Lama, who is now 81, has said that his successor could come from "a free"� region, such as from the Tibetancommunity in India, and recently even suggested he may be the last of the more than 600-year-old Tibetan Buddhist institution.

"While the succession needs to be decided or implemented according to historical conventions and religious rituals, my hope as an academic is that his successor should be found in his home in China,"� saidLian. "In China, there are 6 million Tibetan people. Apart from religious followers who are Tibetan there are also people of other ethnic groups who follow Tibetan Buddhism. I believe they hope to see the successor to the 14th Dalai Lama produced in their neighbourhood in China. So far, there are have been 14 Dalai Lamas produced in China".

On the stalled talks between Beijing and the Dalai Lama's representatives who resigned citing China's hardening stand, Lian said Beijing would not negotiate with any representatives from the Tibetan "government-in-exile" in Dharamsala. The Dalai Lama has since relinquished his political roles, with the responsibility being taken up by elected Sikyong, Lobsang Sangay. "The so-called government-in-exile is an illegal authority and not qualified to havedialogue with the central government,"� said Lian, suggesting talks were not likely to resume unless the Dalai Lama appointed new representatives.

DALAI LAMA'S RETURN TO CHINA

Lian said the "possibility exists always for the Dalai Lama to come back to China" but added that he needed to fulfill Chinese demands, starting with affirming China's views on the historical status of Tibet, which is a point of contention.

The Dalai Lama has said on numerous occasions that he does not seek Tibetan independence, recognises Tibet today as a part of China and that he wants "genuine autonomy" for all Tibetans in China, which he says they are being denied by Beijing.

The Dalai Lama has also said he wants to ensure genuine autonomy for not only the 3 million Tibetans in the Tibet Autonomous Region (TAR) but also for the three million other Tibetans in Tibetan-inhabited areas of neighbouring Sichuan, Gansu, Qinghai and Yunnan provinces.

This is another sticking point in the stalled talks. Lian said in China's view, this meant that the current system did not grant autonomy to Tibetans and that this was a demand to "establish an autonomous political entity [in five provinces] on 2.5 million square kilometre which is one-fourth of China's territory".
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...adesh-india-china-beijing-tibet/1/911054.html

 

[lcafanboy]

Dalai Lama in Tawang: Tibetan spiritual leader's visit could test already-strained India-China ties

Seema GuhaMar, 29 2017 12:41:02 IST
#Arunachal pradesh#China#Connectthedots#Cpec#Dalai lama#India#Lac#Pakistan#Tawang#United nations


Considering that India-China ties are going through a rough-patch, allowing Tibet’s spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, to visit Arunachal Pradesh is virtually like waving a red flag before a bull. His visit, starting in Tawang on 4 April, could further escalate tension as it seems like New Delhi is deliberately risking a confrontation with Beijing.

Nay-sayers believe the consequences of a visit at this time could even lead to another border skirmish. But this is not the first time that the Dalai Lama is visiting Arunachal. As recently as November 2009, the Manmohan Singh government had allowed the Tibetan leader, who has made India his home since 1959, to travel to Arunachal.

Despite loud protests from China before his visit, things settled afterwards and soon it was business as usual. China claims the entire state of Arunachal as its own, and says that the monastery town of Tawang is part of South Tibet.

The Dalai Lama, as a young man, had challenged China. His rebellion was put down swiftly and he fled to India and set up a government in exile. Though China has long accepted the one-China policy, Delhi welcomed the Tibetan monk and set him up in Dharamshala, albeit forbidding him from indulging in any political activity.

File image of Tibet's exiled spiritual leader the Dalai Lama. Reuters

Splittist

The Communist Party of China has always seen the Dalai Lama with suspicion. Though Tibet’s spiritual leader has been asking for more autonomy for Tibetans and not independence, he remains a hated figure for the Communist leadership. China believes that Western powers use the Dalai Lama to embarrass it. They regard him as a "splittist", who is trying to break the one-China policy. So, his every visit to a western capital is condemned in the harshest manner.

China is concerned that the Dalai Lama may declare a monk from Tawang as his successor. Though he has often said that he may be the last Dalai Lama and that the institution will die with him, Beijing does not believe him and thinks this is a strategy to disarm them. Beijing intends to name the next Dalai Lama from mainland China. So, the Tibetan leader’s Tawang visit will be closely monitored by a suspicious Beijing.

The program released by the Dalai Lama’s office, reveals the dates of his travel to Arunachal, starting 4 April: The teachings in Tawang are scheduled from 5 to 7 April; the next stop will be in Dirang on 10 April; then in Bomdila the next day and he will round off the visit with a sermon in Itanagar, the state capital, on 12 April.

Latest salvo on Tawang

Considering the fragile nature of India-China ties at the moment, the visit may set the cat among the pigeons. Despite a long festering border problem, the two Asian giants have left their Special Representatives to deal with the issue and have tried to go ahead with both economic and people to people engagement.

Sixteen rounds of border talks have yielded little results. The latest salvo on the border issue was by a former state councillor and China’s special representative for the boundary talks, when he said that a final settlement could be reached soon if India was ready to give Tawang to the Chinese in exchange for land in the west. This was not acceptable to New Delhi. During the UPA term as well, the Chinese had been pushing for Tawang, despite a former agreement that there would be no exchange of populated areas.

Modi-Xi 'bromance'

Just three years ago, India-China ties seemed poised to take off. President Xi Jinping came calling in November 2014, a few months after Prime Minister Narendra Modi took office. Instead of flying in straight to Delhi, he visited Modi’s home state of Gujarat. Similarly, when Modi travelled to China in 2015, he was received by Xi in the latter’s home province.

But things took a downwards turn with China's investment of $46 billion to build infrastructure in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir, as part of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC). India protested against the plan, claiming the area as part of its own. The CPEC has made China-Pakistan relations even better. Since the beginning, China has used Pakistan as part of its strategic doctrine to counter India and now, with economic ties binding them together and talks of Chinese commando’s guarding the strategic assets, China‘s military can finally spread its wings in the region.

Batting for Pakistan, China vetoed India’s ambitions of becoming a member of the Nuclear Supplier Group. At the United Nations Security Council (UNSC) too, Beijing has repeatedly refused to let Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) leader Masood Azhar come under UNSC sanctions. His organisation, JeM, is already a designated terror group. These two issues have dogged India-China ties since the last two years and has become a major irritant for India.

File image of Chinese President Xi Jinping and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi. Reuters

But neither of these issues make a major difference. India already got the sanctions against it lifted in 2008, thanks to the United States. It is now free to go ahead with nuclear commerce and is no longer regarded as a pariah. JeM leader Azhar can always be used by Pakistan’s deep state, whether he is a designated terrorist or not. So why all the fuss?

"I believe India is right in constantly raising these issues, but we need to play this strategically and with more fineness," former foreign secretary Shyam Saran said.

Saran sees this as part of the blow-hot-blow-cold ties between the two Asian neighbours. "In 2009, there was tension over stapled visas, there were intrusions by the PLA deep into Indian Territory in Ladakh, yet this was smoothed out… Frequent meetings between the leaders of India and China may have had no specific outcomes, but the positive ambience tricked down the line and the even keel was restored."

He acknowledges, though, that there is now a significant difference: "That ambience is not readily discernible with both sides upping the ante. The basic problem now is that China no longer hides the fact that it is far ahead of India, that it is the number one economy in the world and is on its way to become the number one global player. China no longer needs to be cautious about its ambitions. Instead, there is a conscious effort at power projection," Saran said.

What this would lead to is uncertain, but Saran believes that India needs to continue to fill in the loopholes in its defence.

Ashok Kantha, India’s former ambassador to China till early 2016, believes that the Dalai Lama visiting Tawang will not make a dent on India-China ties. Asked about the constant chatter of coming closer to the US as a bulwark against China, Kantha said, "India is too big a country to depend on some other nation for our protection. Instead, we need to close the gaps in the border areas and build our defences.”

He said that relations with China are complex, yet both countries have been able to maintain peace and tranquillity along the Line of Actual Control (LAC). There may have been intrusions, but not a single shot has been fired. This is an achievement for two nations that had fought a short border war in 1962. He, however, admits that there are "many discordant notes at the moment.”

Economic ties surging

Kantha stresses the point that despite a rough patch in their ties, Chinese investments in India are growing. Economic engagement as well as people to people contacts are all on the upswing. He said that roughly $70 billion of projects are in the pipeline. Of this, $32 billion are China-linked schemes. He admits that perhaps all of these projects may not finally see the light of day but, as of now, Chinese investments are ready to flow.

Films

During Xi’s visit to India in 2014, a decision was made to co-produce films. Three major films were made of which two, Kungfu Yoga and Buddies in India, were among the four films that did great business during the lunar New Year holidays. So far, India and China have been able to manage their relations in a mature way. Will this change is anyone’s guess.
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Permitting Dalai Lama in Arunachal is India’s mistake: China

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HIGHLIGHTS

• “This will have serious damage on bilateral relation,” Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Lu Kang warned
• “China firmly opposes the Dalai Lama carrying out any activity in the relevant region,” he added
• China’s protest highlights the dichotomy in its stand on the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor

BEIJING: Unable to block the upcoming visit of the Dalai Lama to Arunachal Pradesh, China is now emphasising that India is committing a major mistake in allowing him to visit the border state.

"This will have serious damage on bilateral relations (sic)," Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Lu Kang warned on Friday. "China firmly opposes the Dalai Lama carrying out any activity in the relevant region and we have expressed our concerns to the Indian side," he said.

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China's protest highlights the dichotomy in its stand on the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor where Chinese construction companies are building infrastructure in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir, a region claimed by India. Beijing says India need not worry about CPEC work because it will not affect its policy on the Kashmir issue. "On the eastern section of the China-India border, China's position is clear and constant. The Dalai clique has long been engaging in separatist activities with unglorious record (sic) ... But despite this India still invited the Dalai Lama to visit the region," Lu said.

 

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Permitting Dalai Lama in Arunachal is India’s mistake: China

(AP photo)
HIGHLIGHTS

• “This will have serious damage on bilateral relation,” Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Lu Kang warned
• “China firmly opposes the Dalai Lama carrying out any activity in the relevant region,” he added
• China’s protest highlights the dichotomy in its stand on the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor

BEIJING: Unable to block the upcoming visit of the Dalai Lama to Arunachal Pradesh, China is now emphasising that India is committing a major mistake in allowing him to visit the border state.

"This will have serious damage on bilateral relations (sic)," Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Lu Kang warned on Friday. "China firmly opposes the Dalai Lama carrying out any activity in the relevant region and we have expressed our concerns to the Indian side," he said.

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SCROLL TO CONTINUE


China's protest highlights the dichotomy in its stand on the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor where Chinese construction companies are building infrastructure in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir, a region claimed by India. Beijing says India need not worry about CPEC work because it will not affect its policy on the Kashmir issue. "On the eastern section of the China-India border, China's position is clear and constant. The Dalai clique has long been engaging in separatist activities with unglorious record (sic) ... But despite this India still invited the Dalai Lama to visit the region," Lu said.

 

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Or Else....?
Kya BC ?
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Or else they will give Tibet to India