China's salt-resistant rice farmland at 1 million sq. km | GBTimes

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China is developing a salt-resistant hybrid-rice strain that can prosper in saline-alkaline soil. China has one million square kilometers of saline-alkaline soil that is currently producing nothing. If the salt-resistant hybrid-rice is a success then China would have gained one million square kilometers of prime farmland.
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Chinese scientist working to increase rice yield | GBTimes

"Plans to increase the yield of salt-resistant hybrid rice to 300 kilograms per mu (667 square metres) within three years were announced by China's so-called 'father of hybrid rice' Yuan Longping this week.
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He plans to increase the yield by using third generation hybrid-rice technology at a research centre in Qingdao, east China's Shandong Province.

The salt-resistant rice, also called sea-rice, is resistant to pests, diseases, salt and alkali and does not need fertilizer.

It is believed that using the new technology developed by Yuan's team, China's 1.5 billion 'mu' (one million square kilometres) of saline-alkaline soil could be transformed into fertile land."

 

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@Martian China is a huge country, why this effort to cultivate rice in saline-alkaline soils? Isn't it easier to cultivate in other parts of the country where sea is far off from the soils.
 

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Good, let's hope Indian GM technology also is successful
 

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This is... actually very interesting.
A pest/salt resistant rice will surely be useful especially for a country with a large population.
In terms of agri tech, India can prob make something similar.
 

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This is... actually very interesting.
A pest/salt resistant rice will surely be useful especially for a country with a large population.
In terms of agri tech, India can prob make something similar.
This is... actually very interesting. really ?
 

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This is... actually very interesting. really ?
Well considering how agriculture is important to our country, it would be interesting to
someone.
BUT I was being sarcastic bro....
 

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China is developing a salt-resistant hybrid-rice strain that can prosper in saline-alkaline soil. China has one million square kilometers of saline-alkaline soil that is currently producing nothing. If the salt-resistant hybrid-rice is a success then China would have gained one million square kilometers of prime farmland.
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Chinese scientist working to increase rice yield | GBTimes

"Plans to increase the yield of salt-resistant hybrid rice to 300 kilograms per mu (667 square metres) within three years were announced by China's so-called 'father of hybrid rice' Yuan Longping this week.
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He plans to increase the yield by using third generation hybrid-rice technology at a research centre in Qingdao, east China's Shandong Province.

The salt-resistant rice, also called sea-rice, is resistant to pests, diseases, salt and alkali and does not need fertilizer.

It is believed that using the new technology developed by Yuan's team, China's 1.5 billion 'mu' (one million square kilometres) of saline-alkaline soil could be transformed into fertile land."

We are already doing in India and of-course in other countries also, But other are not drums

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Please check for a review paper from !! "woaa" 2011
 

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I hope in other-way

GM crops are still not fully understand for there cross species genetic effects
Not a good idea to have GM crops
If we have they should be labeled

Failure of GM crops is BT cotton
The BT cotton aim was not to help farmer but to maximise the profit for Monsanto which it did very well. GM crop can be used to help farmer and increase productivity and if government does some research and does make such crops then only after long term rigorous test the government can sell it farmers.
 

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The BT cotton aim was not to help farmer but to maximise the profit for Monsanto which it did very well. GM crop can be used to help farmer and increase productivity and if government does some research and does make such crops then only after long term rigorous test the government can sell it farmers.
Agreed

Govt are always more pro to cartels than there own people. Rather than doing some thing good they are busy in help for MNC.
They recommend to grow alternative crops and diversification but then.... no one buy yield.
Classical case is onions, tomato and various dals

But for GM crops
I am against them (Manufacturers do not mention on the label that foods are developed by genetic manipulation because they think that this would affect their business, which is not a good practice).

Few links for you
A Comparison of the Effects of Three GM Corn Varieties on Mammalian Health
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2793308/
Health risks of genetically modified foods.
https://www.rt.com/news/261673-india-gmo-cotton-suicides/
Genetically modified plants and human health
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2408621/
Genetically modified foods: safety, risks and public concerns—a review
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3791249/


http://www.dw.com/en/european-clothing-chains-hit-by-fake-organic-label-controversy/a-5164495

http://www.audubon.org/news/hm-among-clothing-chains-caught-organic-cotton-fraud-controversy
 

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Agreed

Govt are always more pro to cartels than there own people. Rather than doing some thing good they are busy in help for MNC.
They recommend to grow alternative crops and diversification but then.... no one buy yield.
Classical case is onions, tomato and various dals

But for GM crops
I am against them (Manufacturers do not mention on the label that foods are developed by genetic manipulation because they think that this would affect their business, which is not a good practice).

Few links for you
A Comparison of the Effects of Three GM Corn Varieties on Mammalian Health
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2793308/
Health risks of genetically modified foods.
https://www.rt.com/news/261673-india-gmo-cotton-suicides/
Genetically modified plants and human health
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2408621/
Genetically modified foods: safety, risks and public concerns—a review
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3791249/


http://www.dw.com/en/european-clothing-chains-hit-by-fake-organic-label-controversy/a-5164495

http://www.audubon.org/news/hm-among-clothing-chains-caught-organic-cotton-fraud-controversy
There are risk that why I want a rigorous testing process similar to what has happened to pharmaceutical industry after the opioid epidemic. Regulate the industry. Also if government sey institutions to develope better crops and them available to farmer then it will help. We already have agricultural institutions just add required technology, they already know what the farmer need.
Regulations are needed for every industry to protect the customer, presently GM has very few if no regulations.
 

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@Martian China is a huge country, why this effort to cultivate rice in saline-alkaline soils? Isn't it easier to cultivate in other parts of the country where sea is far off from the soils.
I think China's goal of converting currently one million square kilometers of useless saline-alkaline soil into productive farmland is the most efficient way to grow a huge amount of food.

The GBTimes article states the following facts:

China's 1 million square kilometers of saline-alkaline soil is equivalent to 1.5 billion "mu" (ie. 667 square meters) of land.

China plans to increase the yield of salt-resistant hybrid rice to 300 kilograms per mu.

1.5 billion mu x 300 kilograms rice/mu = 450 billion kilograms of rice annually from saline-alkaline soil

To match this level of incredible food output, China would have to massively irrigate desert land in Inner Mongolia or Xinjiang Province. It will take many years to build a complex of nuclear power plants to desalinate water and transfer it via huge pipes for hundreds/thousands of miles from Bohai Bay to Inner Mongolia or Xinjiang.

To achieve a significant food surplus, China's salt-resistant hybrid rice should be the quickest and least expensive method.
 
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Agreed

Govt are always more pro to cartels than there own people. Rather than doing some thing good they are busy in help for MNC.
They recommend to grow alternative crops and diversification but then.... no one buy yield.
Classical case is onions, tomato and various dals

But for GM crops
I am against them (Manufacturers do not mention on the label that foods are developed by genetic manipulation because they think that this would affect their business, which is not a good practice).

Few links for you
A Comparison of the Effects of Three GM Corn Varieties on Mammalian Health
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2793308/
Health risks of genetically modified foods.
https://www.rt.com/news/261673-india-gmo-cotton-suicides/
Genetically modified plants and human health
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2408621/
Genetically modified foods: safety, risks and public concerns—a review
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3791249/


http://www.dw.com/en/european-clothing-chains-hit-by-fake-organic-label-controversy/a-5164495

http://www.audubon.org/news/hm-among-clothing-chains-caught-organic-cotton-fraud-controversy
Havent looked at the links, but from little I know, my concern about GM is the effect on farming sector, like in US. Health issues, I have heard. But dont know in detail. Also the chicken we eat is GM, right?
 

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Havent looked at the links, but from little I know, my concern about GM is the effect on farming sector, like in US. Health issues, I have heard. But dont know in detail. Also the chicken we eat is GM, right?
USA is biggest supporter of GM foods. I am EU, so here in Germany is trend to mark your foods like milk, free of GM, especially in organic food GM feed is not accepted (they loose organic label,if they have any time used GM food for example to feed chicken)

Corn or Maize is most of times in USA is GM

So chicken itself is hopefully (I am Veg :cool3:) not GM but feed on which it grow

Livestock and poultry are raised on animal feed, much of which is composed of the leftovers from processing crops, including GM crops. For example, approximately 43% of a canola seed is oil.
In 2011, 49% of the US maize harvest was used for livestock feed (including the percentage of waste from distillers grains).[98] "Despite methods that are becoming more and more sensitive, tests have not yet been able to establish a difference in the meat, milk, or eggs of animals depending on the type of feed they are fed. It is impossible to tell if an animal was fed GM soy just by looking at the resulting meat, dairy, or egg products. The only way to verify the presence of GMOs in animal feed is to analyze the origin of the feed itself.



These links could hopefully help you

http://time.com/3840073/gmo-food-charts/
https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-produ...s-in-the-us/recent-trends-in-ge-adoption.aspx
https://www.loc.gov/law/help/restrictions-on-gmos/usa.php
https://www.bestfoodfacts.org/what-foods-are-gmo/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_food#Other_uses
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_livestock


Happened recently in USA
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-food-gmo-vote-idUSKCN0ZO08N
 
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@Pash , what I meant was, like seeds are modified at labs, similarly chicken (DNA?) has been modified in labs. To carry more meat, these chickens can barely walk. Maybr some biology guy can explain better how they are modified. So, are chicken also to be called GM foods or not?
 

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@alphacentury ,
Yes chicken genome is modified in labs and it approved, but only medicinal purposes. It is approved by FDA (US Food and Drug Administration).

http://www.nature.com/news/us-government-approves-transgenic-chicken-1.18985

About the 2nd part of your question, what we are talking here is GMOs (Genetically Modified Organisms), or in simple words, where we have non naturally modified the Genome.
In nature modification of genome is happening from the beginning. That is what evolution. But we have special checks to stop these modifications at rapid rate. Otherwise we can have many illness such as cancer.
But from early human history onwards humans have taken benefit of this but in limits, like modifications by breeding two crops or animals.It has benefits ! yes !
But from 1950 onwards we have misused it, like in case of many domestic animals. We are cross-breeding Indian cows with Western (A1 with A2), or in case of many new and old dog breeds. Negative effects of this non natural things is on poor animal or organism health such as increase in illness. In dogs these dogs are can be blind, week bones and die early. These problem are also happen when humans are also breed in close family such as marriages in cousins (Hindus are against such marriages, it is not due to religion but for health and society, scientifically proven). Most common example is rare blood disorder of British Royals or in all European royals, "Hemophilia". In, hemophilia, which is genetic disorder, body can't make blood clots, which is needed to stop bleeding. It is X chromosome related genetic disease and passed from one parent to other, if both have then you have it.

About chicken,

I think this picture speaks



I hope it will be helpful (I am not expert and it is directly not my field)

Now these days we are putting genes from non related species, artificially in labs. Like in case of BT cotton, we have gene from Bacillus thuringiensis, which is bacteria to plant (non-naturally), to produce toxin in plants by Monsanto. So Bt cotton, is a genetically modified organism (GMO) cotton variety.
 
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@Pash , Maybr some biology guy can explain better how they are modified. So, are chicken also to be called GM foods or not?
It is long process to modify genetic of mammals. Most of labs mice are GM. it is difficult and lengthy process, so I can't explain it here, sorry

Yes in way you can say where ever there is genetic alteration, it is GM. But present case is different.
 

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Fertilizer may not be necessary for saline-alkaline land. Nutrient replenishment comes from the sea.

This is similar to nutrient replenishment on Egypt's Nile Delta. The river brings the fine silt along the banks of the Nile and the Nile Delta.

Similarly, the sea should bring fine silt to saline-alkaline land in China.
 

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