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Then do it within Copenhagen, the EU is cutting emissions to lower per capita than what China and India will be in the next ten years. There is plenty of room for growth within the caps, it will just have to be responsible.Emitting is a basic need for developing countries such as China and India to finish the process of massive industrialization.
They have the right to do it within the limits of not destroying the planet which entails a responsibility the EU is already taking up, reduction of emissions. We are reducing our emissions so you have the opportunity to grow some of yours, it isn't you who are giving up anything, it is us. Then we are supposed to bankroll it too. Who is sacrificing here? China has plenty of money to fund their own Green Plan, more than we do yet we pay.I am glad you agree with me that people from developing countries like China and India have the right to pursue a comfortable life which you french are already enjoying.
So sign the agreement and stop playing games. China looks like a spoiled child with all these antics.Current carbon emission per capita in China and India is much lower than it is in developed countries such as France and US, we have promised that we will keep it low in the future. Our success will not come from a high carbon emmissions.
New coal fired plants go up every week, it isn't even a fraction of a fraction.China is aready doing these.
Dont you read news? The prime minister of France is visiting China, China has signed a nuclear power deal worth 1.5 billion Euro with France.
We are cutting emissions 39% by 2020. Brazil is cutting emissions by 36% yet China is going to almost double emissions in the same timeframe. We already get almost all our power from nuclear. We are doing the right thing, you are not.And before lecturing us on what we should do, think about what you should do.
Why should we apologise for anything? Our per capita ranks 59th. France emits less carbon than South Africa, Mexico, and a whole host of underdeveloped nations. China emits 25 times more carbon than we do. For a nation whose GDP is only slightly higher than ours, your industry is the most carbon intensive on the planet. Ours is amongst the cleanest. We have forsaken high growth rates for clean technologies for decades, it is why we are a global leader. You make the cheapest solar panels, why don't you use them more than you export them?Then you shouldn't emit so much carbon in the first place. Most of the carbon in the atmosphere has been emitted by developed coutries like France. Do you regret what you have done to the earth? I bet you will say you feel deeply sorry, but you will not take the responsibility.
No, which is why we are reducing ours to less than yours will be in five years. Copenhagen allows you to keep on growing emissions to a point while we have to reduce immediately.First, i want to ask you if it is a privilege for you to emit so much carbon per capita. If yes, care to tell me who granted that privilege to you?
Can you tell me, if it is slightly possible that carbon emission per capita in France will be as low as it is in China and India? If you can't, pls shut up on this iusse![/QUOTE]Second, carbon emission per capita in China and India has never been and will never be as high as it is in you developed counries.
China per capita emissions will surpass France in five years. We developed EU countries are sacrificing what is necessary to save our planet. France has gone so far as initiating a carbon tax. You are getting all rightous with the wrong developed nation here, maybe if you were speaking with Americans you would have an argument but they aren't too keen on the idea themselves. They are greater to blame than you are, but Im not talking with an American here and neither are you.
More like you are threatening yourselves. How can you be so blind as to what the CCP industrialisation is doing to your country? I doubt I need to tell you how significant the problem of pollution has become. It is destroying your country and you know it.So you are threatening us!
Go ahead and destroy yourselves, the deaths of hundreds of millions ought to cut your emissions by de facto drought. The Himalayan glaciers are melting away, your major rivers will soon be dried up. We don't have anything to worry about if China has that attitude because you will have solved the problem.The only reason we will be hit the hardest first is becaue we failed to finish the industrialization like you did before. That is exactly the reason why we will not give up our right to emit carbon to develop our economies like you did before.
You won't have an economy when the Yellow and Yangtze Rivers dry up. Should we shed a tear when your myopic vision of economic expansion kills many of your people?We are aware of the consepuences, and we already have made promises and we have taken actions to combat green house warming. But we will not do it at the expense of our economy.