China's Military Exports

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Argentine evaluation of the JF-17 in their quest for their next fighter (it is an official government report to the Chamber of Deputies):

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The JF-17 with WS-13 is the most affordable aircraft to operate and meets the requirements of the Argentine (which includes not having parts that could be embargoed by the UK.)

The F-16, MiG-35 and Tejas are the other fighters evaluated.
 

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WOW! TFX is designed to use two heavy engines but the F110 is embargoed. So it is possible that the WS-10 could be a candidate especially with supplies from Russia being less stable now because of Ukraine.

I don't think exporting the WS-15 is realistic but interesting.


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WOW.. ITS FAKE.😉

That twitter account has no credibility. He is full of lies. His posts shouldn't be shared as a source.
This is what he shared the other day.


He posts these kind of bullshit. It's a lie of course.
 

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Rumors are very strong that a FC-31 prototype (not the navalized J-35 prototype!) is conducting tests. This is in response to interest from a foreign customer!

Most likely to be Saudi Arabia:

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That is the fastest way of finding out the quality of the stealth fighters produced by China. Americans and British would find a way to access the technology and assess the technology threats posed by this fighter.
US did not find out about DF-3 ICBMs sold to Saudi Arabia in 1980s until many years after at which China had sold SA another ICBM type (DF-21) around 2007 ;)

SA like Pakistan was introduced to China when all three were part of the US alliance in 1970s. I think China sees SA in the same vein as Pakistan. Both are US allies but both are long time friends of China and are considered trustworthy.
 

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US did not find out about DF-3 ICBMs sold to Saudi Arabia in 1980s until many years after at which China had sold SA another ICBM type (DF-21) around 2007 ;)

SA like Pakistan was introduced to China when all three were part of the US alliance in 1970s. I think China sees SA in the same vein as Pakistan. Both are US allies but both are long time friends of China and are considered trustworthy.
That's because Saudi did not do training or practice runs on those. With these fighters, Saudis need to practice and train to get the feel and handling of them. That is when this will happen. By the way, US did know about the ICBMs. It just did not make a big deal out of it because at that time, China was a Cold War ally of the US and Saudi was doing the bidding of the US by keeping oil prices low and supporting the insurgency in Afghanistan. US did not want to upset the apple cart.
 

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No way the cost of per hour for Tejas is more than the F-16. It is actually much cheaper than the F-16.
I believe the Argentines considered not just fuel use but wear leading to parts replacement. F-16 parts are ubiquitous around world with many built overseas in places like Korea, Taiwan and Turkey and so are cheaper.
 

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I believe the Argentines considered not just fuel use but wear leading to parts replacement. F-16 parts are ubiquitous around world with many built overseas in places like Korea, Taiwan and Turkey and so are cheaper.
Basically the per hour cost is not available from hal or any govt sources
It's an unreliable number released by some open source and even that source isn't clarifying
They I mean Argentinians just got that number from internet from that source and wrote it in their proceedings
Hal didn't provide any nos until then
 

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That's because Saudi did not do training or practice runs on those. With these fighters, Saudis need to practice and train to get the feel and handling of them. That is when this will happen. By the way, US did know about the ICBMs. It just did not make a big deal out of it because at that time, China was a Cold War ally of the US and Saudi was doing the bidding of the US by keeping oil prices low and supporting the insurgency in Afghanistan. US did not want to upset the apple cart.
I think even now some Pakistani pilots are serving in SA air force. So there might be no problem for training issues.
 

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Philosophically what gives some countries the right to nukes but others not?

Israel has nukes and the P5 powers just accept it. Is it because they are white? Doesn't seem all that different from Iran or Saudi Arabia getting it otherwise.

The West wasn't all that accepting of India getting nukes either with all kinds of embargos so why should an Indian begrudge another country from the third world getting it? Just asking.
If responsible nation like Japan Mongolia Vietnam Korea Taiwan go nuclear that's fine.

But terrorist breeding , religious psychopath like Pakistan and Iran are a certain No.
 

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Argentine evaluation of the JF-17 in their quest for their next fighter (it is an official government report to the Chamber of Deputies):

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The JF-17 with WS-13 is the most affordable aircraft to operate and meets the requirements of the Argentine (which includes not having parts that could be embargoed by the UK.)

The F-16, MiG-35 and Tejas are the other fighters evaluated.
Jf -17 at best is an advanced trainer... Doesn't fall in the league of mig 35 , viper or Tejas.

Also both mig and Tejas can bypass embargo by UK.
 

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Wow! This could be very hard to beat. lol

Turkey should threaten to order the FC-31 and the US will release the F-35 :D

 

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