China's first aircraft carrier starts sea trial: Xinhua

[Iamanidiot]

Indians seriously need to learn this Chinese "Art of Bluffing ".We don't know how to bluff

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Indians seriously need to learn this Chinese "Art of Bluffing ".We don't know how to bluff

Their whole strategic capability is a bluff. There is a long list of bluffs:

Antisatellite test
Moon mission
Spacewalk
Ballistic missile used as a carrier killer

And the list goes on. It is good to assume most Chinese things are bluff until proven otherwise (which is never).

 

[Iamanidiot]

LOOOOL,u made my day....look ur space programs,weapon programs .........

Indian only states about deployed "operational" capabilities.Nor we release Photoshopped carrier battle group photos

 

[Iamanidiot]

Their whole strategic capability is a bluff. There is a long list of bluffs:

Antisatellite test
Moon mission
Spacewalk
Ballistic missile used as a carrier killer

And the list goes on. It is good to assume most Chinese things are bluff until proven otherwise (which is never).

One of my major observation wrt to the CCP LF.The CCP as a threat to India is extremely overstated.Once you see through all the facade ,smokes and mirrors that these individuals conjure.you will be seeing extremely insecure and overly prideful individuals.The greatest threat the CCP poses most is to the common mainland Chinese not to us ,the taiwanese or the other neighbours.Another thing a very alienated bunch of people due to their own actions

 

[LETHALFORCE]

One of my major observation wrt to the CCP LF.The CCP as a threat to India is extremely overstated.Once you see through all the facade ,smokes and mirrors that these individuals conjure.you will be seeing extremely insecure and overly prideful individuals.The greatest threat the CCP poses most is to the common mainland Chinese not to us ,the taiwanese or the other neighbours.Another thing a very alienated bunch of people due to their own actions

It is a shame Chinese do not know how to handle their rise and their new status. in many ways they were better off when they were a poor country.

 

[Daredevil]

[hl]This is not a India-China slug-fest. Its about Chinese aircraft carrier. Stick to the topic or your posts get deleted[/hl]

 

[aimarraul]

 

[LETHALFORCE]

http://www.dodbuzz.com/2011/06/27/chinas-carrier-a-highly-vulnerable-extravagance/

China's carrier: 'A highly vulnerable extravagance'


Defense analyst Daniel Goure doesn't buy the storyline that China's aircraft carrier, said to be getting ready to sail for sea trials, spells doom and irrelevance for American power in the Pacific. Instead, he writes, it's a huge vanity project, a kind of national sports car of questionable practicality and potentially high vulnerability . There's a precedent for this, Goure argues — the Soviet Navy, of which China's carrier Shi Lang was originally supposed to be a part:

It appears that the [People's Liberation Army] did not just buy an ex-Soviet era aircraft carrier but, more significantly, it has bought into a Soviet era vision of a rising world power requiring a blue water Navy. In the process, the Soviet Union wasted enormous resources creating naval forces that were virtually irrelevant both politically and militarily. China, like the Soviet Union/Russia, is a continental power. Even with a growing economy Beijing will not have the resources to build both effective land and air force and a blue water navy.

Moreover, deploying an aircraft carrier even with a complement of strike aircraft is not the same thing as having an operationally effective carrier strike group. The PLA Navy will have to develop the capability to provide 360 degree air and missile defense, fleet ASW, underway replenishment and air/sea coordination. Where is the Chinese navy's equivalent of the Aegis air/missile defense system, E-2D airborne surveillance and C2 or the Los Angeles class SSN?


The reality is that the U.S. Navy should welcome the Chinese effort to create its own blue water navy. The U.S. Navy has a seventy year history of being able to engage and destroy hostile surface fleets. The name Shi Lang could also be translated as "big fat target."

This is a bit of revisionist history — if we were to jump in the time machine and go back to say, 1984, you might be hard pressed to find a U.S. naval officer who'd brush off the Soviet fleet as "irrelevant." And you could make the case that Goure is missing the point: The Shi Lang and its potential siblings aren't being built to fight the U.S. Navy, at least not yet. They're being built to project power among China's weaker neighbors in the Western Pacific, just as American carrier strike groups have spent most of modern naval history intimidating or attacking weaker militaries around the world.

As we've written before, Adm. Hyman Rickover himself admitted that his nuclear-powered aircraft carriers would only last "about two days" in a full-scale war with the Soviets, whose admirals probably could give the flattops' exact locations in their sleep. (Much as American commanders always will have a very good idea about the whereabouts of the Shi Lang, if they don't already.) But carriers have continued to serve around the world because they're so useful for so many other jobs besides full-scale war, and that kind of gunboat versatility is precisely what China wants.

 

[aimarraul]

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[arya]

so what we guys are awaiting for

dont you guys think we should wakeup now is not a alarm condition for india

or we will wait till then china fighter plane fly on delhi

what is our preparation what is our plan on ground not on papers

 

[arya]

[hl]This is not a India-China slug-fest. Its about Chinese aircraft carrier. Stick to the topic or your posts get deleted[/hl]

how can i sleep while my enemy is doing his homework

dont you think our defence force must wake up now

 

[Yusuf]

so what we guys are awaiting for

dont you guys think we should wakeup now is not a alarm condition for india

or we will wait till then china fighter plane fly on delhi

what is our preparation what is our plan on ground not on papers

Don't know about Indias plan but I think your plan should be to read a lot more over here and elsewhere to gain knowledge about defense and related topics. Not to mention be a little more comprehendible.

 

[arya]

Don't know about Indias plan but I think your plan should be to read a lot more over here and elsewhere to gain knowledge about defense and related topics. Not to mention be a little more comprehendible.

thats why this is my best website

i just love DFI

 

[agentperry]

this is a serious development but as this carrier is big and conventional it wil require lots of support from mailand or main port whatever you call it. but in indias case pakistani port will do the same and so we can say that this ship will first go thru A&N islands to pak and then operate from their so i think pretty much in detection range of IN. we will be at least knowing that an PLAN AC is near our coasts( my views if this ship came out to be a mil ship and not a casino in near future)

 

[LETHALFORCE]

this is a serious development but as this carrier is big and conventional it wil require lots of support from mailand or main port whatever you call it. but in indias case pakistani port will do the same and so we can say that this ship will first go thru A&N islands to pak and then operate from their so i think pretty much in detection range of IN. we will be at least knowing that an PLAN AC is near our coasts( my views if this ship came out to be a mil ship and not a casino in near future)

Is this possible with all of China's neighbor's anti-carrier missiles and submarines?? It would also give us and other countries thousands of kilometers opportunity to intercept it. It would be a very ameteur move by the Chinese. It will be tracked by US satellites as soon as it leaves port.

 

[The Messiah]

how can i sleep while my enemy is doing his homework

dont you think our defence force must wake up now

brahmos will sink it to the bottom of the ocean if during war time its anywhere near range.

 

[nimo_cn]

When China had no AC, Indians celebrated, "haha, Chinese have no ACs, but we have".
When China was building an AC, Indians celebrated, "haha, Chinese will not be able to build an AC on their own".
Now China is operating an AC, Indians are still celebrateing, "haha, our Bramos will sink it to the bottom of ocean"

Indians are born optimists.

 

[Armand2REP]

Still waiting for footage of it underway...

 

[pankaj nema]

@ nimo cn

Yes mate We are Optimists .This optimism comes from SELF CONFIDENCE

Let me tell you that Indians just love to see China's progress

Why because OUR Nature is such that unless there is Competition we just go to sleep

And unless there is a military threat ,like today we have two threats namely China and Pakistan ; we would have disbanded our armed forces

So China has helped us INDIRECTLY in many ways

Secondly we are completely CONFIDENT that we can catch up with China in all spheres

And lastly we would never ALLOW China to threaten us or dominate us militarily

 

[nimo_cn]

@ nimo cn

Yes mate We are Optimists .This optimism comes from SELF CONFIDENCE

Let me tell you that Indians just love to see China's progress

Why because OUR Nature is such that unless there is Competition we just go to sleep

And unless there is a military threat ,like today we have two threats namely China and Pakistan ; we would have disbanded our armed forces

So China has helped us INDIRECTLY in many ways

Secondly we are completely CONFIDENT that we can catch up with China in all spheres

And lastly we would never ALLOW China to threaten us or dominate us militarily

Right,you have always been confident.

When China had no AC, you were confident that China wouldn't have one soon.
When China was building an AC, you were confident China wouldn't be able to finish it.
Now China is having one, you are confident you can sink it.

Since you are so confident with everything, why is your insecurity with China everywhere?

A country which needs to be inpsired by another country will have no future, people to who go to sleep when there is no competition are hopeless people.

Just going by what you said about India and Indians, I can assure you that we will threaten you or dominate you militarily .