China's first aircraft carrier starts sea trial: Xinhua

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Mass unrest in Dalian




 
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Hatred, or rather day-dreaming and wet-dreaming, won't get you anywhere.

Poor soul who lives in utter fear of China.

Pitiful.
Fear of China? Really if anything China fears its own people. Heck, One Bomb here on our land, and it is complete total annihilation of China, even if that means we go with it. You are playing with fire, stand down and move aside.
 

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Fear of China? Really if anything China fears its own people. Heck, One Bomb here on our land, and it is complete total annihilation of China, even if that means we go with it. You are playing with fire, stand down and move aside.
indian has no nuclear bomb.....lol,
u fail ur test last time and will have not more chance to test again. the day u test will be today PLA go into india.
ur gov knows it very well.

Get facts straight and stop trolling nonsense


ok, tell me what the fact is? indian have nuclear waepon now? How far from a successful test to smallized war head?
 
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How far from successful China is to a miniaturised warhead.
 

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indian has no nuclear bomb.....lol,
u fail ur test last time and will have not more chance to test again. the day u test will be today PLA go into india.
ur gov knows it very well.

Get facts straight and stop trolling nonsense

Really India has no nukes, you effin little pricks couldnt do anything pre-1998, what the eff will you do now, one chinese soldier in India, Beijing is evaporated. Come and try us. We hold your territory, as you claim, come get it. Come on little man. It is your government who knows the game is up. We along with South Korea, Japan, Vietnam, Mongolia, USA and Taiwan is going to strangle you little pricks to death. Welcome to the new Cold War, and the new NATO.
 

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[hl]OK enough of off-topic discussions on unrest in China or nuke scenarios between India and China. Anymore OT posts will get deleted[/hl]
 

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China's first aircraft carrier to serve in South China Sea(Nanfang Daily)

13:49, August 16, 2011 Edited and translated by People's Daily Online

China's new aircraft carrier is planning to serve in the South China Sea by the next Army Day, a military source said.

The vessel will be under direct command of the country's Central Military Commission.

"An aircraft carrier is the mark of major powers," said General Qiao Liang, a military expert.

The vessel will largely expand the combat radius, raising the country's offshore comprehensive combat capabilities beyond the first island chain. Qiao said that air domination is the prerequisite of naval warfare, especially for the remote areas away from the heartland. As a result, there is no alternative for the vessel's leadership.

Rather than an armament used in actual combat, the aircraft carrier is now more a strategic weapon. Its combat function ended as the Second World War was over.

"If an aircraft carrier sets sail from Japan's Yokosuka port, it takes a week for the vessel to arrive at the Malacca Strait and another a week's journey to the Red Sea. But that trip can be made within an hour — even half an hour — by a missile," Qiao said. "Air and space power is the key to future wars as it is faster, clearer and more accurate. The aircraft carrier's dynasty has already passed because economic activities do not solely rely on land and marine transport. Nowadays, capital flow can be easily finished by clicking the keyboard."

The vessel has a symbolic meaning for the country's naval power image. The participation of the vessel will strengthen the navy's combat ability and deterrent force, Qiao said.

"The aircraft carrier will guarantee the smooth inflow of energy and resources into China from international waters. It can also ensure security and interests of Chinese workers overseas," Qiao said.

China's new carrier aircraft has reached the world's best level, Qiao said. Technically, the lifetime should be at least half a century.

"The Chinese people should not overstate or understate in terms of its meaning. It is merely a necessary step for the Chinese navy," he said.
 

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China's first aircraft carrier reflects arms buildup

By Fu Xiaowei (Changjiang Daily)09:45, August 16, 2011 Edited and Translated by People's Daily Online

The Varyag, China's first aircraft carrier platform, started its first sea trial on Aug. 10. According to the plan, the first sea trial will not last long and related refitting and testing work will resume after it returns to the shipyard.

Earlier, a spokesperson for China's Ministry of National Defense announced for the first time that China was refitting an obsolete aircraft carrier for scientific research and training purposes, which instantly attracted close attention at home and abroad.

The Varyag is just a training ship. The establishment of China's future aircraft carrier fleet and its operational system as well as the formation of actual combat capability will take a long time. Even so, the first sea trial of the aircraft carrier is still a landmark event.

In retrospect, the 100-year history of aircraft carriers has clearly shown that owning aircraft carriers is usually one of the symbols of a major country's march toward a great power. China has not had its own aircraft carriers for a long time largely because of China's peaceful military modernization concept.

China has always been a peace-loving country, and its ownership of an aircraft carrier and its plan to strive to build aircraft carriers do not mean that it has not turned back on peaceful military modernization. Rather, it is a result of its deeper understanding of its peaceful military modernization. China's ultimate objective in its development of aircraft carriers is to safeguard its national security.

Along with rapid economic growth, constant technological progress and rising comprehensive national strength, China's national interests are expanding, making the effective protection of national sovereignty and territorial integrity more urgent. China started developing its own aircraft carriers for the purposes of building a strong navy, which can effectively protect its national interests, and seeking appropriate means of safeguarding national security.

As a continental country, China has long focused more on the defense of its land territory and failed to realize the importance of territorial waters and airspace. In fact, the country has more than 18,000 kilometers of coastline and 3 million square kilometers of territorial waters, which require effective protection from a strong navy. According to the experience of world powers, China can increase its ability to protect territorial waters and national interests by developing its own aircraft carriers.

China's aircraft carrier plan, especially the Varyag's sea trials, has received nationwide recognition and praise. It should be noted that aircraft carriers are not used for showing off, and China has no intention or need to show off its strength. The launch of the country's first aircraft carrier showed the growth of its military power and improvements in the ocean awareness of the central government and the people.

The aircraft carrier is called the "floating land." As China's aircraft carrier is sounding its horn and heading toward the deep-blue ocean, the national security vision of China's people is also being extended. Ancient people once used the phrase "viewing the vast ocean with despair" to describe the ocean. But now, the ocean has not been as far, strange and scary as it used to be. The ocean has become a part of our land like the land we stand on.

Without doubt, building the aircraft carrier has strengthened the most important link of China's defense-orientated national defense policies, and the success of the first trial voyage is a good start. Once upon a time, the people of China successfully developed the nuclear bomb, ballistic missile and man-made satellite with their fighting spirit and ceaseless efforts. Now, China has become much more prosperous and stronger, and we believe the people of China will ultimately have their own aircraft carrier fleets
 

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Concerns over China's new aircraft carrier

Concerns over China's new aircraft carrier
Ajai Shukla / New Delhi August 16, 2011, 0:52 IST

Not so impressive and their navy lacks experience, but Beijing's dreams & intentions cause worry



China's first aircraft carrier returned to its home base of Dalian yesterday after a debut voyage of five days. The Chinese media describes the jubilation of a crowd at the dockside that, after witnessing the giant vessel emerge from a thick fog three km away, set off firecrackers to welcome home the most keenly watched warship in the resurgent People's Liberation Army Navy, or PLA(N).

This is the vessel formerly known as Varyag, a massive, 58,500-tonne, 300-ft, Kuznetsov-class aircraft carrier being built in Ukraine when the Soviet Union disintegrated. Strapped for funds, Ukraine put the semi-complete vessel up for auction in 1998. A Chinese company, Chong Lot Travel Agency, bought it for $20 million, claiming they wanted it for a floating casino in Macau. Instead, it docked at Dalian, was painted PLA(N) grey, and refurbished over a decade into a functional aircraft carrier.

However, experts are sceptical about its combat capabilities. Ruslan Pukhov of the Moscow Strategy and Technologies Analysis Centre says the vessel was obsolete before it was purchased. China's defence ministry spokesman, Geng Yansheng, says the ex-Varyag will be used for "scientific research, experiment and training". Nor has the PLA(N) displayed confidence by planning the sea trials so close by the Dalian dockyard. While an "exclusion zone" that China declared in the Yellow Sea and Liaoning Bay led to breathless speculation that the PLA(N) might include simulated aircraft landings during the sea trials, no such trials were conducted.

INDIA'S PLUS
Experience remains the PLA(N)'s bottleneck. Despite possessing an aircraft carrier and a fighter capable of operating from it (the Shenyang J-15 'Flying Shark', evidently reverse-engineered from Russia's Sukhoi-33 fighter), the PLA(N) remains to develop the specialised skills needed for aircraft carrier operations. The flight deck of a carrier that is launching aircraft or recovering these is an exceptionally busy place, with scores of sailors simultaneously performing crucial and linked tasks. Even as fighters are taking off and landing, others are being moved around on the deck, between the hangars and the deck, and being refuelled or replenished with ammunition. Fine judgement is needed to gauge when the sea is too rough for flying operations. There is no place for error; the US Navy lost about 12,000 aircraft and 8,500 airmen between 1949 (when it started deploying jets in sizeable numbers on aircraft carriers) and 1988 (when accident rates came down to US Air Force levels). While the PLA(N) will enjoy a steeper learning curve, naval aviation experts estimate it will take at least five to 10 years to achieve proficiency in carrier combat operations.

In this key area, the Indian Navy scores over the PLA(N), having operated aircraft carriers for half a century (INS Vikrant, India's first carrier, was commissioned in March 1961). India currently has one functional carrier, INS Viraat, bought from Britain's Royal Navy in 1987. A second, the 44,000-tonne INS Vikramaditya (the former Admiral Gorshkov) will arrive from Russia by 2012-13. Meanwhile, Cochin Shipyard is constructing a 40,000-tonne vessel, still unnamed, referred to as the Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC). This is likely to be followed by more vessels, in the 60,000-tonne category.

SINO QUESTIONS
But there is concern within the US Navy, which has underwritten peace in the Asia-Pacific since World War II. It is a declining force, with half the battleships it had during the Cold War. Especially worrying are its declining aircraft carrier numbers, down from 15 carrier battle groups (this includes a flotilla of smaller warships that screen an aircraft carrier from enemy submarines, aircraft, missiles and mines) at the end of the 1980s to 11 today. "We would welcome any kind of explanation that China would like to give for needing this kind of equipment," US State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said at a press conference last week.

The answer has come from the Chinese media and bloggers, who are calling for the new vessel to be named Shi Lang, after a Qing dynasty admiral who conquered Taiwan in 1681. Taiwan is taking China seriously: The Taipei Aerospace and Defense Technology Exhibition that opened last Thursday featured the Hsiung Feng III, a Taiwanese supersonic missile with a range of 130 km. The missile was displayed in front of a picture of a burning carrier that bears a striking resemblance to the Varyag.

The PLA is doing little to calm fears. In last Friday's PLA Daily, Guo Jiuanyue wrote, "If we do not have the courage or will to use it to solve territorial disputes, why would we have built it? Are we spending countless money and occupying quite a part of the national budget to build it only for admiring it or scaring the countries that provoke China? If it is necessary, China will use the aircraft carrier and other kinds of battleships to solve disputes. That is natural and logical."
 

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How about a salvo ?
let me tell you something my friend

Firstly, It will be our AC fleet that give the first salvo by j15s.

Secondly, It will be our destroyers that give the second round salvo.

Worry about salvo yourself edited.

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Now, who is under hostile condition? China has developed many hostile threats unnecessarily due to its arrogant nature.

Big boat, little punch in South China Sea

The Chinese aircraft carrier that began sea trials last week is by far the largest warship of any country in Asia and in certain realms could give China game-changing capabilities. However, the carrier cannot help China assert sovereignty over the South China Sea - its biggest maritime headache - and the ship could prove to be more of a diplomatic liability than a military asset.

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On the surface, this capability would seem to decisively shift the balance of power in the South China Sea, where China has territorial disputes with Vietnam, Taiwan, the Philippines, Malaysia and Brunei. Currently, China claims its territorial waters skirt the Philippines' coast as far south as Brunei, on Borneo island, before looping north and hugging the Vietnamese coast back to southern China. This 80-year-old claim neatly encompasses the Spratly and Paracel island reefs, assumed to be rich in hydrocarbon resources by surrounding countries that have erected research installations on them.
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Without catapults or arrester wires, the carrier will not be able to operate any airborne early-warning aircraft needed to provide comprehensive radar coverage for fleets. This means the carrier will have limited area awareness, unable to see or respond to threats beyond the horizon of ship-based radar. Logistical constraints will also limit the time the carrier can spend at sea: the People's Liberation Army-Navy (PLA-N) possesses only five seaworthy replenishment ships, none of them over 22,000 tons.

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In the first week of June, an article in Vietnam's state newspaper, Nhan Dan, carried pictures of the world's fastest anti-ship missile, the Indo-Russian BrahMos, in a clear statement of procurement intentions and its navy's readiness to respond to incidents of Chinese aggression within waters it claims as its exclusive economic zone. With a speed of Mach 2.8, the missile is four times as fast as a US-made Tomahawk missile and would present a lethal threat to any vessel within its 300-kilometer range. (Even with exceptional anti-missile capabilities, North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) navies would keep well out of range of this threat.)

BrahMos procurement requires joint Indian and Russian approval, and Vietnam is rapidly improving its relations with both nations. During a high profile defense cooperation visit to New Delhi by Vietnam's navy chief at the end of June, the Vietnamese government gave permission for Indian navy ships to drop anchor at Nha Trang, which has been off-limits to foreign navies since 2003.

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On July 2, Vietnam also took a decisive step forward in its long-heralded defense procurement deal with Russia. According to the Russian VNA newswire, Oleg Azizov, representative of the Russian state defense export company Rosoboronexport, confirmed Vietnam has signed a contract to buy six Kilo-636 MV diesel electric submarines for delivery in 2014.

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Both Indonesia and the Philippines could also quickly develop powerful deterrent capabilities, and at relatively little cost by deploying anti-ship missiles to key outposts. Indonesia has already held discussions with India to acquire the BrahMos missile. The Philippines could either purchase US missiles off-the-shelf, or negotiate purchase of Taiwan's new ram-jet Hsiung Feng III anti-ship missile, unveiled with exquisite timing last week at the Taipei Aerospace and Defense Technology Exhibition against a mural backdrop of a burning carrier.

The fact that the South China Sea will be an exceptionally dangerous environment for the carrier will present the Chinese government with an acute dilemma.

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But the one nautical environment where Chinese opinion is most anxious for an assertion of naval authority - the South China Sea - is the one place that Chinese admirals will almost certainly never risk launching the carrier. With this knowledge, the countries on the South China Sea's littoral have every reason to welcome the carrier program. Indeed it may even strengthen their claims, knowing that they can taunt China to send it out. In any looming confrontation, the Chinese leadership will suddenly need to explain why its totemic flagship is useless for asserting power in the country's own self-claimed territorial waters or risk seeing it reduced, almost immediately, to a flaming wreck.



Asia Times Online :: Big boat, little punch in South China Sea
 

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Now, stop the meaningless laughing and do some research and you will find that it is your navy that should worry about salvo.
We are making the largest man made reef in the South China sea. Good bye little chicom
 

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putting a stuff on the sea is different from using it properly. it will be long to see that PLAN is comfortable with AC. many hitches come up when you actually use the equipment and then there is time to tackle it. like using AC in case of turbulent water in high sea. south china sea is surely main spot for china to secure at the earliest. but world ie usa and many countries who see china as venomous snake will do every thing possible to stop it. and im sure china is not in a situation to tackle so many nations in one go
 

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