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Type 003 more havier than indian Vikrant what options India will take to tackle growing Chinese threat at sea
I wonder how you reached that figure, would you explain your thought process on how you reached the figure of "at least 70-80000 tonne"? Is this standard or full?atleast of 70000 to 80000 tonnage
Type 003 more havier than indian Vikrant what options India will take to tackle growing Chinese threat at sea
85000 tonne is standard replacement, the full replacement is easily over 100000 tonne. How to get that number? the standard figure is from PLAN publicized info, normally PLAN won't bluff for their arsenal figure. The full figure is easy to calculate with US navy carrier's standard/full replacement ratio, but remember 003 is not nuclear propel boat, it will fill extra 10000 tonne dynamical fuel.I wonder how you reached that figure, would you explain your thought process on how you reached the figure of "at least 70-80000 tonne"? Is this standard or full?
I'm not asking about 003's figure. I suggest you read my statement and the quoted statement before replying again.85000 tonne is standard replacement, the full replacement is easily over 100000 tonne. How to get that number? the standard figure is from PLAN publicized info, normally PLAN won't bluff for their arsenal figure. The full figure is easy to calculate with US navy carrier's standard/full replacement ratio, but remember 003 is not nuclear propel boat, it will fill extra 10000 tonne dynamical fuel.
There's a difference between launching x number of LHD of yz,000 displacement and the achievement of launching a supercarrier. Calling it a "piece of cake" eh?100,000 tonne is just a piece of cake for PLAN
I wouldn't even explain on how delusional that is.if the world is in dire chaos, Chinese shipyards could show us the capability to simultaneously build 10 ACs. It is better to leave Chinese chill, not inspire them.
America and China, the two behemoths clash, we are better to watch, not inspire either of them.I'm not asking about 003's figure. I suggest you read my statement and the quoted statement before replying again.
Sorry, I can not roll back many layers to read where your question was evolved from, could you please quote whole clue, not just a piece of words, to make things explicit. Thx.
There's a difference between launching x number of LHD of yz,000 displacement and the achievement of launching a supercarrier. Calling it a "piece of cake" eh?
of course, there is a difference between LHD and Super AC, but build 3 LHD 40000 tonne in one shipyard in 3 years, it means the enormous shipbuilding capacity can immerse in casting super ACs.
I wouldn't even explain on how delusional that is.
Chinese naval threat to india is frankly overhyped.Type 003 more havier than indian Vikrant what options India will take to tackle growing Chinese threat at sea
So speaketh by someone whose head is in the sand.Chinese naval threat to india is frankly overhyped.
Indian shoreline is thousands of km away from China and most of Chinese navy can't even reach india . ( All their diesel ssk and smaller surface ships Corvettes etc. Are useless against India. )
And bigger ships and SSN are still much less in numbers then what china requires.
Because first China has to contend with massive us baby and more advanced Japanese navy . Only after that it can realistically hope to have a foot print in Indian Ocean.
Meanwhile India is developing carrier killer missiles ( Agni prime already tested) besides brahmos which is now also air launched) there there are Indian SSN upcoming which will make all chinese surface ships in Indian Ocean dead in water.
Plus there are Indian carriers equipped which much better air components ( upcoming deal with either f18 or rafale) compared to disaster that is j15.
India hypersonic missiles are also incoming.
So basically this so called chines naval thread is already taken care off.
For a Canadian, your wording seems rather 'interesting'. Are you sure you're a Canadian or are you using a VPN??America and China, the two behemoths clash, we are better to watch, not inspire either of them.
Why would you use a HEAT payload against a carrier??!! They aren't armored, you know.
Mind you these tests didn't use a HEAT payload.
While I agree with you in general that we should never underestimate an opponent, especially one such as the PRC, at the moment, there is simply no way for us to achieve any kind of parity with their navy.So speaketh by someone whose head is in the sand.
Reminds me of an Indian folklore story where a flock of birds live on top of a tree. There was a baby creeper growing at the base of the tree. An old wise bird advised the flock to eat away the baby creeper before it becomes a menace. The flock cried, "A baby creeper a threat? What nonsense!" and ignored the old bird. As the creeper grew, the old bird kept advising that the flock destroy the growing creeper and each time the flock ignored him saying that the creeper was no threat. Then one day came where the creeper grew around the tree and its body so thick and hard that the birds' beaks could not break it but destroy their own beaks. A man came by and noticed the flock on top of the tree. He climbed the tree and threw a net over the top of the tree and trapped the flock. The flock cried out and asked the old bird, "What shall we do??!!" The old bird said, "Nothing for it is too late. I kept warning you and you did not listen."
I agree with what you say but we should not underestimate the PRC either. Remember, never underestimate your Opponent or else you will regret it.Chinese naval threat to india is frankly overhyped.
Indian shoreline is thousands of km away from China and most of Chinese navy can't even reach india . ( All their diesel ssk and smaller surface ships Corvettes etc. Are useless against India. )
And bigger ships and SSN are still much less in numbers then what china requires.
Because first China has to contend with massive us baby and more advanced Japanese navy . Only after that it can realistically hope to have a foot print in Indian Ocean.
Meanwhile India is developing carrier killer missiles ( Agni prime already tested) besides brahmos which is now also air launched) there there are Indian SSN upcoming which will make all chinese surface ships in Indian Ocean dead in water.
Plus there are Indian carriers equipped which much better air components ( upcoming deal with either f18 or rafale) compared to disaster that is j15.
India hypersonic missiles are also incoming.
So basically this so called chines naval thread is already taken care off.
Yes but it doesn't mean ignoring the threat and burying your head into the sand. You have to be proactive in countering the threat with whatever means available.While I agree with you in general that we should never underestimate an opponent, especially one such as the PRC, at the moment, there is simply no way for us to achieve any kind of parity with their navy.
US will only help out indirectly by making sure that the PLAN doesn't block any navigational routes or force the PLAN to take longer routes and provide IN with real time intelligence on the whereabouts of the PLAN forces and some weapon supplies.I agree with what you say but we should not underestimate the PRC either. Remember, never underestimate your Opponent or else you will regret it.
If a full scale war does happen between India and China and both countries get their navy involved then I would say that it would be a fight only between PLAN and IN. Don't expect US/Japan or anyone else to come to your aid. We have already seen how trustworthy US is as a partner in Afghanistan, Ukraine etc.
Also Pakistan too would definitely get involved in the war so it would not be just PLAN vs IN but rather PA and PLAN vs IN. China can use Pakistan's major ports to deploy it's ships and mount an attack on India along with Pak Navy so that assumption that Chinese navy's ships are too far away from the Indian mainland IMO is wrong.
In a conflict, we will be on our own. I doubt US would help us militarily or any country for that matter.
Not at all. We would need to invest more resources in sea denials. Building smaller faster-mover FFGs with long-range ASHms and SAMs in large numbers for literal warfare should do the job. hopefully.Yes but it doesn't mean ignoring the threat and burying your head into the sand. You have to be proactive in countering the threat with whatever means available.
No one here is saying that we should ignore the threat, I said that regardless of the magnitude of the threat, we should ensure that we are well prepared to deal with it. To counter new modem threats, we need to invest our money in newer and modern Weopons systems.Yes but it doesn't mean ignoring the threat and burying your head into the sand. You have to be proactive in countering the threat with whatever means available.
Yes this is very well said. In the past I have emphasized upon countering PLAAF in somewhat same way as too, we need to have more air defense systems to form an entire layer of protection on the border against any Chinese misadventure.Not at all. We would need to invest more resources in sea denials. Building smaller faster-mover FFGs with long-range ASHms and SAMs in large numbers for literal warfare should do the job. hopefully.
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