China's 003 Aircraft Carrier (former 002)

Nationalist Manasvi Papa

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Many projects, one goal!

Type 003 is under construction and all four of its main air wing components are in flying prototypes.

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New assembly hall being built for J-35 at Shenyang Aircraft:
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J-15B (CATOBAR)

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J-35
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KJ-600
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Z-20F/J
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When everything is in place -- Type 003 with J-15B, J-35, KJ-600 and Z-20F/J!

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Man they really are masters at copying stuff. Ditto copy of MH 60.
 

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Chinese have a very long tradition. Of state bureaucracy which goes a long time back , it is not new for them about having a efficient bureaucracy
Those who know Chinese history , know that their governments and emperor's actually cared for people concerns, since mostly population was agrarian , it made sense for the kings of ancient times to concentrate heavily on water resources management, which they did over many centuries , all this required bureaucracy and lots of it .
Yes, the PRC today is built on top of a tradition that first started over a 1000 years ago which was merit based and required an examination:

The Chinese imperial examination or keju (lit. "subject recommendation") was a civil-service examination system in Imperial China, aimed to select candidates for the state bureaucracy. ... The system became dominant during the Song dynasty (960–1279) and lasted until its abolition in the late Qing dynasty reforms in 1905.

Under the communists, China actually lost touch with this. In the 1980s and 1990s, China sent many officials for training in the traditional Confucian states of Japan, Korea and Singapore which are in many ways modern evolution of the old merit-based exam systems.

This was a monumental decision for two reasons:

1) Japan and the Four Tigers were the only countries from the non-white world that became developed and

2) they were part of the Sinosphere culturally so lessons learnt there was more applicable than those learnt in the West.

That is not to say Western methods were rejected but if you look at Chinese systems and policies in its rise they are far closer to Japan and especially Singapore than anything in the West. Japan and Singapore always had a state-led all-of-society approach to development.
 

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Chinese have a very long tradition. Of state bureaucracy which goes a long time back , it is not new for them about having a efficient bureaucracy
Those who know Chinese history , know that their governments and emperor's actually cared for people concerns, since mostly population was agrarian , it made sense for the kings of ancient times to concentrate heavily on water resources management, which they did over many centuries , all this required bureaucracy and lots of it .
Really if our relations with them would have been good and they were not having expansionist mindset then we should have definitely send our babus there and that would have benefited us a lot
But story is different and our babus will all ways be babus
 

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Yes, the PRC today is built on top of a tradition that first started over a 1000 years ago which was merit based and required an examination:

The Chinese imperial examination or keju (lit. "subject recommendation") was a civil-service examination system in Imperial China, aimed to select candidates for the state bureaucracy. ... The system became dominant during the Song dynasty (960–1279) and lasted until its abolition in the late Qing dynasty reforms in 1905.

Under the communists, China actually lost touch with this. In the 1980s and 1990s, China sent many officials for training in the traditional Confucian states of Japan, Korea and Singapore which are in many ways modern evolution of the old merit-based exam systems.

This was a monumental decision for two reasons:

1) Japan and the Four Tigers were the only countries from the non-white world that became developed and

2) they were part of the Sinosphere culturally so lessons learnt there was more applicable than those learnt in the West.

That is not to say Western methods were rejected but if you look at Chinese systems and policies in its rise they are far closer to Japan and especially Singapore than anything in the West. Japan and Singapore always had a state-led all-of-society approach to development.
We should do the same but again babus being babus
 

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We should do the same but again babus being babus
When Japan was growing in the 1950s and 60's and the Four Tigers (South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore and Hong Kong) rose after that, India had no thoughts that they were good models?

They were first models that China looked at after Mao. It seemed obvious even if they were not Sinosphere because they represented practically the only non-white societies (barring the oil producing Gulf states) that became developed!
 

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When Japan was growing in the 1950s and 60's and the Four Tigers (South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore and Hong Kong) rose after that, India had no thoughts that they were good models?

They were first models that China looked at after Mao. It seemed obvious even if they were not Sinosphere because they represented practically the only non-white societies (barring the oil producing Gulf states) that became developed!
I say na babus being babus
U can Google what is babu
 

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The carrier program is basically a development program for the country. It created many other projects in aviation, electro-magnetic propulsion, radar and electronics.

Some people say it is a smaller HSR program (which is perhaps the greatest driver ever in modern Chinese technological development.) In a few years, the carrier program will intersect with the HSR program through electro-magnetic propulsion developed for the catapult.

It will intersect with another huge development program soon with Type 004. That's the nuclear power program which will build out nuclear reactors at more than 150 (!!!) sites in the next 15 years. (This will be the greatest expansion of nuclear power in human history.)

All these things were planned in the 1990s when China had little tech to do any of this. All it takes is time and support. There is a feeling among Chinese that there is nothing that a country cannot do as long as it is organized to do it.
Good for you. You are almost ready for the war. Elves (devils) are the fairest of the all. Wouldn't be fair to not give the opponents a chance.
 

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I say na babus being babus
U can Google what is babu
That is really a lost opportunity because India as a democracy probably had easier access to those places earlier than China.

For example, Singapore was a big training ground for Chinese officials (and it is a fellow Commonwealth state for India right?)


Singapore has since become Beijing’s top overseas training ground, with more than 50,000 Chinese officials and cadres having flocked to the city on study trips and training programmes since the mid-1990s, according to Singapore’s foreign affairs ministry.
 

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Looks like the work on the three catapults are still going on under cover.

But a lot of huge modules are stacked all around it so it looks like they are preparing to build a new ship in the dock already! The modules look too big and not in tge expected shapes for another carrier so probably a giant container vessel like the one being built now beside the Type 003.


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Looks like the work on the three catapults are still going on under cover.

But a lot of huge modules are stacked all around it so it looks like they are preparing to build a new ship in the dock already! The modules look too big and not in tge expected shapes for another carrier so probably a giant container vessel like the one being built now beside the Type 003.


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Great view. These fascinating overflying images show us much more details than satellite images
 

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As I know 003 ac is about 100k tonnage full loaded, 320 meters length, 71 meter width, 3 electromagnetic catapults.
Any Indian bro can give some comment on comparing with Indian new AC, thanks.
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This is a catapult based supercarrier.Indian carrier is a STOBAR based medium carrier with probably half the tonnage and half the airwing.This is a proper offensive carrier,Indian one is more defensive.
 

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Type 003's deck has a length of 320 meters (1,049 ft 10 in) wheres it's waterline has a length of 300 meters(984 ft 3 in). When measuring the length of any ship, please preferably use the measurement of the deck's length and not of the waterline.
 

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The newest Aircraft Carrier which the Indian Navy will be getting is the INS Vikrant. Here I will post some basic Specifications of INS Vikrant.

INS Vikrant has a fully loaded displacement of 45,000 tons, a length of 262 m (860 ft), beam of 62 m (203 ft), a height of 59 m (194 ft), a draught of 8.4 m (28 ft), a Depth of 25.6 m (84 ft).

Now let's come to the Type 003, we have limited Specifications about this AC's dimensions but still whatever I can find I will post here for you, Type-003 will have a displacement of 85,000–100,000 tons, a length of 300 m (984 ft) and a beam of 40 m (131 ft).

So you can see that in terms of size and displacement, the Type-003 dwarfs INS Vikrant, Type-003 will have more Aircraft carrying capacity than that of Vikrant. This AC is superior to any AC currently in service with Indian Navy.

[DISCLAIMER : All info which I have compiled here is from Wikipedia, Also when I take a length of any ship, I always take its deck length]
 

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Don't know about the capabilities of new aircraft carrier of China but when China launched its first indigenously manufactured aircraft carrier , one Russian expert said that it lacks the Blue Water capability and no match to match to admiral Gorskov, IE India's Vikramaditya. Vikramaditya's speed of 32 nautical mile it is so strong electronic werfare suit is so capable that aircraft is invisible from the plane from any electronics device. INS Vikramaditya carries Visakhapatnam and Delhi class destroyers which has a great protection in terms of Barack 8 or MR SAM. It has a great offensive capability of Brahmos. Vikramaditya carries Mig 29 on it which has a very high power to weight ratio and are very successful plan to be operated from any aircraft career. On the other hand J 15's engines are weak and they cannot carry anything except few air to air missile for air defence.
 
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