China wants 'BRICS plus' to include 'friendly' countries, plan might hurt India's interests

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I just had to track down this video after reading your post...

I Co-Anchored A Show On China State-Run TV. How They Handled Doklam

Vishnu Som

"So, you're Defence Editor? I'm told Obama, your big ally, was very embarrassed when he saw only Russian weaponry when he was guest at your Republic Day parade."

"Why would he be embarrassed?" I asked Yang Rui, the host of Dialogue, described as the top-rated English news show on the state-run China Global Television Network that beams around the world.

"Here in China, unlike India, we make the best weaponry. Our own. We don't rely on Russian imports."

"Oh really?" I said. "Your 'Kilo' class submarines are Russian. So are ours. Your Sukhoi-30 fighters are Russian. So are ours. The radars on your warships are Russian. So are ours. I can go on," I said bewildered by the tone of Rui's observations. I had known him for precisely five minutes and yet, he felt familiar enough to attempt to put India's armed forces in their place.

"Game on," I thought to myself - two can play this boys-with-toys game for armchair Admirals.

And then it struck me that Rui was playing another game - he was assessing me to see my responses - was I aggressive? Would I respond to provocation? Would I be quiet and amenable?

That's because in less than 24 hours, CGTN was about to take a leap of faith - put me in the anchor seat alongside Rui to co-anchor the premier show on their network - Dialogue. It had never happened before - an Indian and a Chinese anchor sitting next to each other - one bound by protocol and state control, and the other bound essentially by the belief that asking questions, any question, was my democratic birthright.

For Rui, the timing of all this would have been a challenge. For weeks, media in India and China have been reporting the Doklam Plateau standoff between the armies of the two sides with diametrically contradictory messages - Chinese media, mostly mouthpieces of the government, have threatened India with war. Some Indian media have been convinced that if war were to happen, China would lose. The rhetoric on either side of the border came to symbolize the fundamental, time-tested differences that remain between the two Asian giants.

And then, in a matter of hours on Monday, the crisis ended. There was a "disengagement" - though neither side has shared any real details. The troops in the midst of the standoff went away, leaving both Indian and Chinese media declaring victory for the side they chose to cheer for.

It was then that someone somewhere in China's state-run China Global Television Network decided to do something no one had done before. Invite me, an Indian newscaster, to co-anchor their leading talk show just 48 hours after Doklam ended. To be sure, I was already in Beijing, at the invitation of the same network, to co-anchor a show with 4 other anchors on the forthcoming BRICS summit in Xiamen, a showpiece event for China being attended by the leaders of Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa (hence BRICS) and had already been a guest on one of their shows discussing the Doklam crisis which had ended earlier that day.

But co-anchoring a show with 4 other presenters and co-anchoring a talk-show with perhaps China's leading presenter are all together different things.


Ready to go on air with CGTN's Yang Rui

It was clear that this programme would have an edge. And it could go two ways - a feisty debate, as I hoped, on the state of India-China relations, or it could turn out to be an attempt by my Chinese co-anchor to control the flow of the programme to push his government's agenda. How on earth could a state broadcaster be expected to do a show with an independent private news network?

As it tuned out, CGTN developed cold feet overnight on the topic.

Rui and I were supposed to do a show "Going Beyond Doklam" and look at the state of Indo-China relations. Rui sent me a We Chat message in the morning (most Chinese citizens use online platforms like We Chat - WhatsApp is partially blocked and Facebook, Twitter and Google are banned in China) - "My advice: we flip the page on Doklam." Later, he would message me, "My advice is we refuse to be taken hostage by nationalistic sentiments on this occasion. This discussion promises to be a worldwide dialogue, not a venue for a narrow bilateral debate on our bilateral issues." In simple terms, Rui wanted the show to be focused on the forthcoming BRICS summit in Xiamen, not on any left-over India-China baggage I may choose to address.

This was, obviously, a problem for me as an independent journalist. While the prospect of Brazil, Russia, India China and South Africa coming together to form a challenger to the G-7 grouping was all very well, BRICS cannot do without unity between India and China. Today, India and China have a monumental border dispute, India is opposed to China's Belt and Road trade initiative, is concerned about Beijing blocking Delhi's entry into the Nuclear Suppliers Group and its reluctance to name Masood Azhar and Hafiz Saeed as global terrorists. China's establishment of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) cuts through Pakistan-Occupied Kashmir and is considered a threat to India's sovereignty.

Was I seriously expected to whitewash the most contentious elements of the India-China relationship, issues that form a clear undercurrent in any BRICS process that involves India and China?

My conscience was clear. Yes, I would refer to BRICS and the promise the grouping held, but I would not see BRICS in isolation - BRICS is driven by India and China and the dynamics between the two countries cannot be ignored.

CGTN may be a state broadcaster. NDTV is not.

I walked into CGTN's gigantic Beijing building in the afternoon. We were set to roll at 1 pm.

Being an anchor on a television news show is essentially the same anywhere in the world. You mostly anchor out of a studio, there is a teleprompter in front of you, a talkback inserted in your ear for your director to speak to you and a microphone cable attached to whatever it is you may be wearing. It seemed all very familiar.

"Are you nervous?" Rui asked.

"No, not really," I said.

And then, we started. Rui read out his introduction. From the Second World War to the World Trade Organisation to the World Bank to BRICS, Rui said it all. Except, he didn't say the word "Doklam" at all. Not once. Rui was evidently under orders.


In a first, an Indian co-anchored CGTN's premier show, Dialogue.

Then it was my turn. And I spoke about the need to move beyond Doklam, to avoid shrill rhetoric "while being aware that there remain differences and concerns on each side which will need to be addressed".

Rui's expression changed. The friendly co-anchor look disappeared. He would now need to "manage" the show.

Which is exactly what he attempted to do.

Moments after I asked a Chinese panelist how BRICS could ever address counter-terrorism issues if China had double standards on Hafiz Saeed and Maulana Masood Azhar who are supported by Pakistan, Rui jumped in.

"Our India friends feel a lot more interested in the issue of security, particularly in the area of counter-terrorism. However, we have differences about the definition of terrorism - that varies - depending on Kashmir," said Rui.

"I thought there was only one definition of terrorism," I said, a statement that evidently irked Rui.

"Come on, I had a discussion with a senior expert on counter-terrorism in Tel Aviv a few years back," said Rui before forcibly trying to steer the course of the debate.

"My question is ..." began Rui but clearly I was not going to back down. And frankly, this is where Indian anchors tend to be unique. We are happy to reiterate "answer the question" so many times that the poor person at the receiving end really has no choice but to answer! Rui had not expected this. His co-anchor had stood his ground and wasn't going to back down. This was our own mini-Doklam standoff! He blinked and "let me" go ahead.

"Can I have an answer to what I was asking because I think it is an important issue?" I interjected.

"This is an area where Indians and Chinese disagree whether the centrepiece of BRICS should be about security issues ," said Rui.

"It is about security issues. Security and counter-terrorism" I said in reference to a meeting of National Security Advisers of all BRICS nations in July where there was a discussion on how to to enhance the role of the group in looking at counter-terrorism and cyber-security issues.

And this, frankly, was how most of the show went. Direct questions on Chinese policy were met with a clear attempt to "set the record straight" by my Chinese co-anchor. The rest of the show was, frankly, a sermon, on how BRICS could transform the world. Fairly unwatchable.

The experience, though, of doing a show in Beijing was quite incredible. If I were to go beyond my co-host's attempts to talk-down to me, there is little doubt that this was a new beginning, a small, perhaps hesitant effort by Chinese media to engage their Indian counterparts. The show itself isn't going to win any awards. But what is clear is this. Like in Doklam, China has shown flexibility - its state broadcaster is willing to put an anchor from a "rival" nation on the same stage. Would our own national broadcaster, Doordarshan, ever be willing to do the same?



(Vishnu Som is Defence Editor and senior anchor, NDTV 24x7)


http://m.ndtv.com/blog/i-co-anchore...am-1744567?type=news&id=1744567&category=blog

 

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Just to show the Chinks their real place, India should nominate countries like South Korea, Japan, Philippines & Vietnam. And to make them pity, we should also nominate Taiwan. :biggrin2:
Excellent idea, :clap2: that would really prick the chinese:rofl: you know what mate you will make a fine foriegn secretary:)
 

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why would such plan hurt India?

cautious expansion of BRICS would turn it into a more powerful entity, which serves the interest of every member.
 

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why would such plan hurt India?

cautious expansion of BRICS would turn it into a more powerful entity, which serves the interest of every member.
why would such plan hurt china?

cautious expansion of NSG would turn it into a more powerful entity, which serves the interest of every member.
 
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Why am i feeling that brics is going the saarc way.
This urgency to add more members is an attempt to make it active and more relevant. I find that only China seems to be driving brics right now. Dont know what bra zeal and south africa bring to table.
Russians too are pre occupied in ME conflicts.
With India getting assertive China may find difficult to push its agenda under brics umberella. Summit will end with usual chai biscuits and chatter
 

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This was another video. I was referring to a show where all 5 main anchors from BRICS were invited for a all-around discussion. Vishnu Som was representing India and here the Chinese anchor was a lady. This show was aired later on Sep 1 after 8:00 PM IST. Like I said before, Chinese were not prepared for the attack and were humiliated in front of Russian, Brazillian and South African co-panels. Do search for this video too. Looks like Mr. Vishnu have not mentioned about this vid in his twitter link.

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we should include Taiwan, mangolia, Vietnam and Japan too. :daru:
well, taiwan is certainly off the table, Japan and Vietnam are welcome to join in, but I doubt Japan is interested.

Indians should learn to cooperate in spite of differences with China in other respects.
 
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why would such plan hurt India?

cautious expansion of BRICS would turn it into a more powerful entity, which serves the interest of every member.
For the same reason as expansion of UNSC-P5 to include India would hurt China.

Cautious expansion of UNSC-P5 would turn it into a more powerful entity, which serves the interest of every member.
 

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Make Indias entry into NSG & P5 a pre-requesite for entry of their stooges into BRICS

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Not just that push for entry of Japan , SoKo , etc in the mean time [emoji3]

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For the same reason as expansion of UNSC-P5 to include India would hurt China.

Cautious expansion of UNSC-P5 would turn it into a more powerful entity, which serves the interest of every member.
the analogy between P5 and BRICS is fundamentally inaccurate for two good reasons.
1/ India is not a P5 member yet, but is already a BRICS member. the inclusion of a non-India member into an organization(BRICs) which consists both China and India is totally different from the inclusion of India into an organization(P5) which already has China.
2/P5 has been the most powerful political tool on earth, while BRICs is an immature economical cooperation vehicle which needs time to develop.
 
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well, taiwan is certainly off the table, Japan and Vietnam are welcome to join in, but I doubt Japan is interested.

Indians should learn to cooperate in spite of differences with China in other respects.
Likewise your lap dog terrorist pakistan is off the table though SL and mexicans are welcome to join but i seriously doubt if they really are interested.
 

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1/ India is not a P5 member yet
yes you are right that is because we had an idealistic fool for a prime minster
which already has China.
may I reminde you that it was only after the Sino -US thaw that Red China or the PRC was acknowlaged as the Defacto government of china ???
P5 has been the most powerful political tool on earth
which it is because of the anglo saxon powers and has nothing to do with the PRC
 

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This was another video. I was referring to a show where all 5 main anchors from BRICS were invited for a all-around discussion. Vishnu Som was representing India and here the Chinese anchor was a lady. This show was aired later on Sep 1 after 8:00 PM IST. Like I said before, Chinese were not prepared for the attack and were humiliated in front of Russian, Brazillian and South African co-panels. Do search for this video too. Looks like Mr. Vishnu have not mentioned about this vid in his twitter link.

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Is it this one??
 

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why would such plan hurt India?

cautious expansion of BRICS would turn it into a more powerful entity, which serves the interest of every member.
It should not. Chinese can invite their friends, we will invite ours.:smile:
 

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well, taiwan is certainly off the table, Japan and Vietnam are welcome to join in, but I doubt Japan is interested.

Indians should learn to cooperate in spite of differences with China in other respects.
We believe in mutual co-operation, something China needs to learn.
 

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