China versus India, A Great Asian Race.

[JaguarWarrior]

In the 2300 yrs of our mutual history we never shared a common border . Tibet was ALWAYS the buffer in between. Take the buffer away which happened 70 yrs ago & you see what's happened. In any case the Tibet & an un demarcated boundary were the only 2 reasons why China went to war with India.

Since then the situation has become much more complicated between the 2 , with water becoming a vital natural resources which'd increasingly be in short supply due to climate change & Beijing's various experiments to transfer water from Tibet into mainland China , China's hegemony over Asia being questioned by Japan & India most prominently among other nations , the economics of trade , leadership of the global south , etc .

Even if we didn't go to war in 1962 , relations between the 2 would be luke warm at best considering the factors listed above. Now ,after Galwan among various incidents - major & minor since 1962 including 1962 , with the Chinese revealing their hand in Galwan , it's plain inimical.

Times have changed. China and India did not have border. Now China and India have border. History cannot be changed.

 

[Varoon2]

As long as China is expansionist, imperialist, hegemonic and dictatorial, India will oppose it.A free, democratic, Tibet will be a very helpful first start.

 

[Azaad]

Times have changed. China and India did not have border. Now China and India have border. History cannot be changed.

A kingdom long divided must unite & long united must divide.

~ Romance of The 3 Kingdoms.

That right there is history as understood & recorded by your ancients.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

In 1962 India and USSR were allies against China and there was real possibility of USSR deploying forces in Aksai Chin to threaten Xinjiang and Tibet. China preemptively invaded India to snatch away Aksai Chin from India.

As a Chinese, it is deeply regreable of this historical injustice. It is my hope the Aksai Chin issue will be solved with the McMahon line as the border, with China keeping about half of it and give about half of it back to India.

Aksai Chin is not all that strategic though the land 100% belongs to India. Same with Shaksgam valley which your Pakistani slaves surrendered to you. China must stop all its projects in Pakistan occupied Indian territories. India had a rightful border with Afghanistan and other central Asian countries. This must be restored. This is the real theater of action. India will reintegrate Gilgit Baltistan into India as it works to balkanize Pakistan. China must play a role in Balkanizing Pakistan and transferring all occupied areas of J&K back to India. The other theater where China needs to back off is funding pseudo commie parties and terrorists within India especially the northeast. Indian intelligence agents fully understand the entire spectrum of Chinese threat. China needs to unconditionally withdraw from each of those threats if it wants a strong strategic relat with India.
Without this full spectrum withdrawal, India will be a military rival to China as india regains it’s rightful global place. And that global place cannot be regained without dissolving Pakistan and making it a subordinate nation to India’s interests. The sooner China realizes all this and does proper strategic calculations and bets on the right horse, the better it is for the Chinese. Else, India’s ascent will pose a significant threat for China.

 

[The3Amigos]

Aksai Chin is not all that strategic though the land 100% belongs to India. Same with Shaksgam valley which your Pakistani slaves surrendered to you. China must stop all its projects in Pakistan occupied Indian territories. India had a rightful border with Afghanistan and other central Asian countries. This must be restored. This is the real theater of action. India will reintegrate Gilgit Baltistan into India as it works to balkanize Pakistan. China must play a role in Balkanizing Pakistan and transferring all occupied areas of J&K back to India. The other theater where China needs to back off is funding pseudo commie parties and terrorists within India especially the northeast. Indian intelligence agents fully understand the entire spectrum of Chinese threat. China needs to unconditionally withdraw from each of those threats if it wants a strong strategic relat with India.
Without this full spectrum withdrawal, India will be a military rival to China as india regains it’s rightful global place. And that global place cannot be regained without dissolving Pakistan and making it a subordinate nation to India’s interests. The sooner China realizes all this and does proper strategic calculations and bets on the right horse, the better it is for the Chinese. Else, India’s ascent will pose a significant threat for China.

Russia, China, India are contiguous and dominate Eurasia from the north to the south. Only synergy can benefit The 3 Amigos. Conflict cannot benefit The 3 Amigos.

 

[The3Amigos]

 

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HIMARS

 

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[The3Amigos]

House speaker block Ukraine funding. Not a single cent is available.

 

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[The3Amigos]

It is difficult to invade across a river. Which is why rivers have historically formed the borders between nations. @Akim Do you agree Dniper river should be the border between Russia and Ukraine the way Yalu river is the border between China and Korea and Tumen river is the border between Russia and Korea and Amur river is the border between China and Russia?

 

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[HariPrasad-1]

China's fear has gone now. Series of measure by Modi Government has conveyed the message very clearly that China's days are over now and it is the time of India which has started now. This is the time to put US in place. US is now convinced that messing with India will be a deal of loss for US. On the Issue of S 400, they could not do anything. Our foremost thrust should be on strengthening INR and made it a reserve currency which should begin with small nations. No matter how much we grow our economy but INR will eat everything up because of devaluation of INR. If we make correct decisions for next decade, we shall be a very powerful country. This government need to remain in power for 2 more decade for the dominance of India in the world.

 

[Azaad]

Ci yi shi, bi yi shi.

And right thru your history the opening lines of The Romance of the 3 Kingdoms have held true from the Qin Dynasty to the Qing Dynasty .

Bi yi shi , Ci yi shi doesn't apply here.

"plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose."

 

[skywatcher]

In the 2300 yrs of our mutual history we never shared a common border . Tibet was ALWAYS the buffer in between. Take the buffer away which happened 70 yrs ago & you see what's happened. In any case the Tibet & an un demarcated boundary were the only 2 reasons why China went to war with India.

Since then the situation has become much more complicated between the 2 , with water becoming a vital natural resources which'd increasingly be in short supply due to climate change & Beijing's various experiments to transfer water from Tibet into mainland China , China's hegemony over Asia being questioned by Japan & India most prominently among other nations , the economics of trade , leadership of the global south , etc .

Even if we didn't go to war in 1962 , relations between the 2 would be luke warm at best considering the factors listed above. Now ,after Galwan among various incidents - major & minor since 1962 including 1962 , with the Chinese revealing their hand in Galwan , it's plain inimical.

Seriously? I thought Tibet was a much powerful nomadic empire than most Hindu kingdoms before the arrival of Buddism that greatly reduced their belligerence and political centralization later on, which greatly facilitated the Mongol conquest and Qing conquest of Tibet.

 

[skywatcher]

Seriously? I thought Tibet was a much powerful nomadic empire than most Hindu kingdoms before the arrival of Buddism that greatly reduced their belligerence and political centralization later on, which greatly facilitated the Mongol conquest and Qing conquest of Tibet.

From the 13th to 20th century, Tibet was mostly militarily and politically under control of the Yuan Mongols and later the Qing Manchus and later the PRC Han Chinese and all major Tibetan military and political affairs were dominated by Beijing for nearly 800 years.

 

[skywatcher]

From the 13th to 20th century, Tibet was mostly militarily and politically under control of the Yuan Mongols and later the Qing Manchus and later the PRC Han Chinese and all major Tibetan military and political affairs were dominated by Beijing for nearly 800 years.

I'm still impressed by how such a great empire in the 7th century was eventually drawn to Chinese orbit. It doesn't make sense. Maybe it is Buddism(along with other religions such as Hinduism and Christianity, Islam etc categorized as spiritual opium according to PRC fans) that castrated their secular ambitions.

 

[skywatcher]

and I learned from Wikipedia entry that Tibet volunteered to be a province of PRC. I didn't see much substantial resistance from that period. It doesn't make sense. Maybe Dala Lama back then was a young boy with little political sophistication and outmaneuvered by Mao. Mao promised Dala lama abundant secular wealth(including beautiful young ladies) and high political status(aka CCP's exclusive sponsored puppet) as long as Dala Lama not choose go to the British. Sadly, Mao underestimated Dala Lama's determination of self-fulfillment. I have to speak very highly of Dala lama for this.

 

[srevster]

Indians consider China competitive. Chinese do not consider India competitive. Chinese consider Japan competitive. India is too far from China geographically.

Lol, India will be bigger than Japan next year