China versus India, A Great Asian Race.

[Peter]

How many Indian companies have foreign CEOS? Do you know Indian diaspora sends highest amount of foreign remittance to India which has saved India from many sever financial crisis?

Sirjee foreign remittances hurt India more than the good they do. They contribute to the housing bubble and inflation we now see in India. Economics 101 says that any country generating money out of thin air without producing any good would end up with its economy in doldrums. While remittances do inject foreign cash flow into GoIs coffers they hardly contribute to our economic prosperity. It is the pakodawallahs and chop shilpo wallahs who end up contributing more than a suit booted NRI coming home to buy up acres of land in a posh place.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2015/02/do-remittances-drive-economic-growth/

Look up the above link and you may go through it. It will clear your perceptions and misconceptions about foreign remittances.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Assuming the same range,
Agni-5, length: 17m, weight: 50t;
DF 31, length: 13m, weight: 39t;

Weight of Agni V is not 50 tons but half of that.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

There is no more "race" between China and India.

When we launched 104 satellite, Famous US news paper said that real race is between India and China in space and not between US and Russia or any other country. However, I respect your views.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

When we launched 104 satellite, Famous US news paper said that real race is between India and China in space and not between US and Russia or any other country. However, I respect your views.

What newspapers say don't have any meaning at first place. Dumbo journos know nothing about complexity of existing and in concept launch, docking & berthing systems and the long term objectives of countries. If you are only going to use that "American, Russian, European or Chinese newspaper said this & that", this thread is stupid AF.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Weight of Agni V is not 50 tons but half of that.

No, its around 50 tonnes & payload too matters. India BTW is working on increasing throw weight of existing missile systems rather than increasing their range.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Seriously they're not in the same league at all. The crux of animosities is neither ideological (communist vs. democracy), nor territorial spats that've been overhyped, with (deliberate) self-victimizing.

Nonsense. Any comparison need not be animosities. When two giant nations rises to regain their Glory, Comparison bound to happen.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

No, its around 50 tonnes & payload too matters. India BTW is working on increasing throw weight of existing missile systems rather than increasing their range.

What is the weight of Agni III and Agni IV?

 

[Deathstar]

Nonsense. Any comparison need not be animosities. When two giant nations rises to regain their Glory, Comparison bound to happen.

Tbh China is in its own league. 2 leaders propelled China - Mao and Deng.
First Maos policy eliminated the population that had slave and colonial mentality. In our case , same population that served British ,ruled over us. White sahebs replaced by Brown sahebs.
Deng - visionary leader , his policies and long term thinking led to the miracle growth of Chinese.
We had none of above two leaders.

 

[A chauhan]

India's main problem is corrupt and anti dharmic Congressi + left politics. But we are getting over it, once done China won't be too ahead we might overtake it very well.

 

[no smoking]

If declared ranges arent accurate ,why do u think weight and length is?? Both India and China or anyone wont reveal true dimensions.
As length , weight give an approx idea of its range viz viz warhead carried

Once the pictures was out, especially the those launch, you can't hide the length. People can estimate it by comparing with the truck, wheel, soldiers.

Regarding the weight, it is a little bit harder. But, there are too many ways to check it out: the capability of the truck, how you move it, the level of your rocket engine, the chemical material you purchased for the rocket engine factory, etc, etc. After years of observation, people can have a very close guess of it.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Tbh China is in its own league. 2 leaders propelled China - Mao and Deng.
First Maos policy eliminated the population that had slave and colonial mentality. In our case , same population that served British ,ruled over us. White sahebs replaced by Brown sahebs.
Deng - visionary leader , his policies and long term thinking led to the miracle growth of Chinese.
We had none of above two leaders.

Besides nationalism, Mao was China's Nehru, in even worse form. Deng was the one who changed their destiny.

What is the weight of Agni III and Agni IV?

Seems that its too tough to shove this up in your mind that lighter missile doesn't mean its more advanced. India has been trying to increase throw weight in attempt to boost payload cap..

India's main problem is corrupt and anti dharmic Congressi + left politics. But we are getting over it, once done China won't be too ahead we might overtake it very well.

No more stupid school speeches style spinning, corruption & fifth columns are elsewhere. India's all problems are a result of its economic shortcomings. There would have been not much change in status even without corruption. But definitely a bigger economy would have done better for its interests.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Seems that its too tough to shove this up in your mind that lighter missile doesn't mean its more advanced. India has been trying to increase throw weight in attempt to boost payload cap..

Your problem is that you assume too much and you seem to know everything which I think. If you answer my question, we can forward our arguments.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

What newspapers say don't have any meaning at first place. Dumbo journos know nothing about complexity of existing and in concept launch, docking & berthing systems and the long term objectives of countries. If you are only going to use that "American, Russian, European or Chinese newspaper said this & that", this thread is stupid AF.

It is not about what they know about space program but it is all about a general perception in which world see china and India competing for the first place and to make 21st century their own.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Your problem is that you assume too much and you seem to know everything which I think. If you answer my question, we can forward our arguments.

We can't forward our arguments without logics. There is no logic involved in what you said. Instead you quote what you like & is popular.

It is not about what they know about space program but it is all about a general perception in which world see china and India competing for the first place and to make 21st century their own.

May be, still this thread isn't needed. It's again the pathetic media. None of actions reflect the "perception" of a western street reporter.

At least Indian policy doesn't spin around China and vice versa. I can't see China & India trying to "race with each other". They got their own goals.

The aim is to become more & more powerful prosperous and not about how to demean each other.

This thread is a kiddish piece of $h!t.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Ali Express, Ali Baba, Baidu just to name a few.

Only goes to further validate my earlier point.

Where is Ali baba now?

 

[HariPrasad-1]

 

[HariPrasad-1]

 

[skywatcher]

Besides nationalism, Mao was China's Nehru, in even worse form. Deng was the one who changed their destiny.

Seems that its too tough to shove this up in your mind that lighter missile doesn't mean its more advanced. India has been trying to increase throw weight in attempt to boost payload cap..

No more stupid school speeches style spinning, corruption & fifth columns are elsewhere. India's all problems are a result of its economic shortcomings. There would have been not much change in status even without corruption. But definitely a bigger economy would have done better for its interests.

Mao‘s role is more like Gandhi in a extreme way

Mao unified China by force and communist ideology that completely reshuffled various classes of the Chinese society. All the wealth of the landlords and upper class were confiscated indiscriminately. Deng is actually a capitalist sympathizer and revisionist. In other words, Deng is not a real communist according to Mao's standards.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Mao‘s role is more like Gandhi in a extreme wayView attachment 202495Mao unified China by force and communist ideology that completely reshuffled various classes of the Chinese society. All the wealth of the landlords and upper class were confiscated indiscriminately. Deng is actually a capitalist sympathizer and revisionist. In other words, Deng is not a real communist according to Mao's standards.

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So is modern China which isn't even remotely communist.

China would have been a backward society if not a sub-Saharan style shithole till date if Deng wasn't there.
Communism just doesn't work in real world. It's just a pleasant hangover music for emotional motivation.