China stole designs for Australia's new F-35 Lightning II fighter jet

[The Last Stand]

Re: China stole designs for Australia's new F-35 Lightning II fighter

What a lot of anti-American shit. The U.S did NOT steal anyone. German scientists went to the U.S. as personnel to work on American scientific projects in order to have a better life than to continue living in ruined, bombed-out, Allied-occupied Germany. They were not forced at gunpoint to leave Europe.

And anyway, they were enemy personnel that had surrendered to U.S. forces. The Germans had started the war and using German scientists captured by U.S. forces was one small way the German people could make reparations for their cruel war of conquest across Europe. The Soviet Union also took German scientific personnel to work on their projects, probably at gunpoint, and I don't blame them. The Germans had killed 27 million Soviet citizens so as far as the Soviets were concerned they could do what they liked to the Germans. And I can only agree.

The Communist Chinese are STEALING others' intellectual property through cyber espionage. Your illogical and irrational attempt to equate Communist Chinese theft to rightful reparations made to the U.S. for Germany's war on America is entirely nonsensical.

Ray sir was perfectly on the point when he said the Nazi scientists went with the Americans to escape Nuremberg.

Americans and Soviets were both very, very interested in Nazi jet tech (Me-162 and the like) and rocket tech (V2) and probably also V1's guidance.

Of course as @jouni points out, US did very conveniently forget that these scientists were not exactly very humane.

But then, talking about something that happened almost 70 years without prejudices, false histories and assumptions is now-a-days quite impossible and it is better that all of us drop it.

 

[dastan]

Re: China stole designs for Australia's new F-35 Lightning II fighter

As if Chinese CCP is doing it for "Manav Kalyan"

Sir,

Manav for them is their people, hans, i suppose

Anyways that's not the point, I was asking whether we even take our cyber security seriously?

 

[Redhawk]

Re: China stole designs for Australia's new F-35 Lightning II fighter

US also conveniently "forgot" that most of the scientists worked for SS, had forced labor or were SS and Nazi -party members. Do not get me wrong, I like Germans, without them Finland would not be what it is today. So for me it is OK that US and USSR did what they did. Germans just are masters in R&D there is no two way around it. About Stealing intellectual property, it would be nice to know what NSA is doing that is not yet known.

Perhaps the Americans did overlook these German scientists' complicity in possible crimes against humanity, what of it? As victors in the war, that is their choice. The defeated in war, the vanquished, have no rights, nil. If the victors want to hang the vanquished, they'll hang them. If the vanquished are useful to the victors, and the vanquished can be used, then they will be used. That is the victors' choice. That is all. The vanquished are completely at the mercy of the victors. VAE VICTIS is the rule. Fortunately for some Germans who fell into their hands, who were the vanquished, the Americans could be and sometimes were quite generous victors, sometimes not.

 

[Srinivas_K]

Re: China stole designs for Australia's new F-35 Lightning II fighter

Sir,

Manav for them is their people, hans, i suppose

Anyways that's not the point, I was asking whether we even take our cyber security seriously?

I have my doubts regarding CCP objectives after seeing their bullying and grabbing tactics, whether these weapons are for the welfare of the Han people.

Regarding Cyber security, the Internet is a created by the west (USA), it is their world unless India has its own servers and other platforms cyber security is not guaranteed.

Most of the systems operate on the virus(Windows and Linux) designed by the west, use the networks and other protocols designed by them, India is lagging in this field.

 

[Latika_singer]

Re: China stole designs for Australia's new F-35 Lightning II fighter

good relations
:clap:

 

[roma]

Re: China stole designs for Australia's new F-35 Lightning II fighter

US also conveniently "forgot" that most of the scientists worked for SS, had forced labor or were SS and Nazi -party members. to ....

Hi Jouni and @Redhawk , i just wanted to address that one point so i hope you will allow the summary of your quote
this is what often happens in most countries :-
when a member of a criminal gang decides to "squeal " against the other members of the gang ,
he ( or she ) is often let off on a lighter charge or sometimes given protection and a new identity and a new life
in another city or even country ...so that was what the usa did in return for the co-operation
of the scientific members of the nazi gang ( who switched sides and migrated to the usa to work there instead )

this sort of legalised deal-making is present in most if not all countries, - including Finland, im sure ,
so please check with your very own legal system and see for yourself ?

 

[sorcerer]

Re: China stole designs for Australia's new F-35 Lightning II fighter

Chinese call it as their own work !

noo.noo..we misunderstood..They call the "stealing" as their own work....

 

[bose]

Re: China stole designs for Australia's new F-35 Lightning II fighter

Stealing is an art mastered by China over hundreds of years... China is a true leader in the field of stealing"¦

 

[sorcerer]

Re: China stole designs for Australia's new F-35 Lightning II fighter

Does India even have any secrets lol? I mean if Chinese can steal f 35 details from unarguably highly secure servers abroad such as those mentioned in the article then it'll be a walk in the park for em to stalk into whatever we've been trying to hide.

Ps - Kudos to China as such cyber espionage needs tantamount skills and dedication, as Lord krishna says in geeta - 'it is not the path you undertake that matters but the final goal that you are to achieve'

Krishna said it with good intention..

But in political matters, if you steal you steal and you should be sensible enought to ensure that nobody knows about it. That is the crux of stealing. That has more political importance and is deadly.
You steal..you learn..you improvise and make radical improvements in design, structure and technology. YOu make something better. not something similiar and looking like it and has the same color scheme.

MOst countries have the cyber capability..but they steal..they study..they improvise...they develop a weapon 2 generations ahead of the one they stole so as to shun the technology of the country they stole from.
Stealing has strategic importance my friend...not shitty commercial impotance( typo was intentional) as Chinese do.

Chinese steal it then put it out for show making them more sucpicous the world over and ofcourse inferiour defucnt products which makes them a laughing stock.
The only thing so far world has bestowed on them is their ability to steal.

 

[sorcerer]

Re: China stole designs for Australia's new F-35 Lightning II fighter

New Snowden Documents Reveal Chinese Behind F-35 Hack

Last week, Der Spiegel published a new tranche of documents provided to the German weekly magazine by the former U.S. National Security Agency contractor, Edward Snowden. The documents are the first public confirmation that Chinese hackers have been able to extrapolate top secret data on the F-35 Lightning II joint strike fighter jet. According to sources, the data breach already took place in 2007 at the prime subcontractor Lockheed Martin. A U.S. government official recently claimed that as of now, "classified F-35 information is protected and remains secure."

The fifth generation F-35 Lightning II is the most advanced fighter jet currently in production in the world. Experts have long argued that the design of China's newest stealth fighter, the J-31, as well as the Chengdu J-20 fighter jet, are in parts influenced by the F-35. Bloomberg reports that the chairman of the Chinese subsidiary producing the J-31 even boasted that the Chinese plane is superior to the American product. "The J-31 will finish it off in the sky," boasted AVIC Chairman Lin Zuomin referring to the F-35. However, most aviation experts are skeptical of this assertion.

The Snowden files outline the scope of Chinese F-35 espionage efforts, which focused on acquiring the radar design (the number and types of modules), detailed engine schematics (methods for cooling gases, leading and trailing edge treatments, and aft deck heating contour maps) among other things. The document claims that many terabytes of data specific to the F-35 joint strike fighter program were stolen.

The Byzantine Hades hacks – the code name given to the attacks by U.S. investigators who traced the hacks back to a specific unit of the Chinese People's Liberation Army first revealed by Wikileaks – have also targeted other programs and "cause serious damage to DoD interests," according to a top secret power point presentation. The Chinese hackers were also successful in obtaining data on the B-2 stealth bomber, the F-22 jet, space-based lasers, missile navigation and tracking systems, as well as nuclear submarine/anti-air missile designs.

The power point furthermore lists at least 30,000 hacking incidents, more than 500 significant intrusions in DoD systems, at least 1600 DoD computers penetrated, and more than 600,000 user accounts compromised, in addition to over 300,000 user ID/passwords and 33,000 U.S. Air Force officer records compromised. The presentation makes the point of equating the amount of data extracted (50 terabytes) to be equal to five Libraries of Congress. Overall damage is estimated to be more than $100 million.

As usual, the Chinese government has, denied any involvement in the attacks. "The allegations are totally groundless and unproven," emphasized Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman,Hong Lei, during a press conference last week. "We, on the other hand, do have documents that show a certain country has a dishonorable record on cyber security."


New Snowden Documents Reveal Chinese Behind F-35 Hack | The Diplomat

 

[Illusive]

Re: China stole designs for Australia's new F-35 Lightning II fighter

America did not steal, they gave opportunity to those hungry scientists, or maybe they had no other choice, but since then they have been pioneers.

But there lies the difference, China has benefited the same way with Sovient Union split with many of the scientists found jobs in china, but the fact remains that even now they are stealing other people's work.

Make no mistake, its no easy task of reverse engineering, but for how long, this way China will always be a step back of the west, not pioneers. They seem to be in some sort of hurry to catchup, but they could be missing a lot lessons that US learnt throughout the development period, but in this process they save a lot of money for their own R&D.

Whatever they do, its not an ideal way, but Cina may think it of as a necessary step.

 

[shiphone]

Re: China stole designs for Australia's new F-35 Lightning II fighter

it seems disappointing , very disappointing for someones..


Edward Snowden China warplane data theft claim rebutted by U.S. military - Washington Times

U.S. Military Denies Snowden Claim That China Stole Top-Secret Warplane Data

U.S. military officials are pushing back against a claim that National Security Agency whistle blower Edward Snowden made last week about China stealing top-secret data on a pricey warplane program.

Snowden，a former contractor who fled the United States after exposing NSA spy secrets，shared documents with German magazine Der Spiegel that appear to show that China stole sensitive data about the warplane，including engine schematics and radar design.
The magazine made public a report on China's intelligence theft earlier this month.
But on Tuesday，the F-35 fighter jet program office told Reuters that the documents released by Der Spiegel only show non-classified data about the jet.

"Classified F-35 information is protected and remains secure，" the program office told Reuters in a statement.
In the statement，Pentagon officials said they continue to take all potential cyber attacks seriously， and that the incident in question was not expected to negatively impact the program，Reuters reported.

Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Hong Lei on Monday denied China stole the jet data，according to The New York Times. The "complexity" of the alleged cyberattacks "means that it is extremely difficult to identify the source，" Mr. Lei said.
"I wonder if they can produce evidence to prop up such accusation and groundless attack，" he said.

Pentagon spokesman Army Col. Steve Warren declined on Tuesday to discuss whether the Chinese had been able to peek at U.S. military technology secrets.
"We never talk about cyber-intrusions and we don't comment on leaked information，" he said.

 

[Ray]

Re: China stole designs for Australia's new F-35 Lightning II fighter

it seems disappointing , very disappointing for someones..


Edward Snowden China warplane data theft claim rebutted by U.S. military - Washington Times

Of course, some people exult that US will admit that it leaks like a sieve.

Something like China admitting that they are committing human rights abuses in Tibet and Xinjiang, right?

 

[sorcerer]

Re: China stole designs for Australia's new F-35 Lightning II fighter

Denial on Security leaks is a strategy..Someone does not know the basic set of politics!