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50 Cent Party
Traditional Chinese 五毛黨
Simplified Chinese 五毛党
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Internet commentator(s)
Traditional Chinese
網絡評論員
Simplified Chinese 网络评论员
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The 50 Cent Party, or 50 Cent Army (Chinese: 五毛党 wǔmáo dǎng), are Internet commentators (Chinese: 网络评论员 wǎngluò pínglùn yuán) hired by the government of the People's Republic of China (both local and central) or the Communist Party to create favorable articles, internet sites, information and post comments on forums, social media networks and all kinds of news, exchange and journals online platforms favorable towards party policies in an attempt to shape and sway public opinion on various Internet message boards.[1][2] The name derives from the allegation that commentators are said to be paid fifty cents of Renminbi for every post that either steers a discussion away from anti-party or sensitive content on websites, bulletin board systems, and chatrooms,[3] or that advances the Communist party line.[4][5] They are also deployed to make disparaging comments, spread falsehoods and misinformation about political opponents, critics of the Chinese communist party regime, and about any targeted national or international topic or entity, such as politicians, countries, organizations, etc.[6]



Contents
[hide]


History[edit]
In October 2004, the Publicity Department of Changsha started hiring Internet commentators, in one of the earliest known uses of professional Internet commentators.[7][8]

In March 2005, the Ministry of Education of the People's Republic of China enacted a systematic censorship of Chinese college bulletin board systems. The popular "Little Lily" BBS, run by Nanjing University, was forced to close. As a new system was prepared to be launched, school officials hired students as part-time web commentators, paid from the university's work-study funds, to search the forum for undesirable information and actively counter it with Party-friendly viewpoints. In the following months, party leaders fromJiangsu began hiring their own teams.[9] By mid-2007, web commentator teams recruited by schools, and party organizations were common across China. Shanghai Normal University employed undergraduates to monitor for signs of dissent and post on university forums.[10] These commentators not only operate within political discussions, but also in general discussions.[9][10] Afterwards, some schools and local governments also started to build similar teams.[11][12][13]

On 23 January 2007, Chinese leader Hu Jintao demanded a "reinforcement of ideological and public opinion front construction and positive publicity" at the 38th collective learning of Politburo.[14] Large Chinese websites and local governments have been requested to publish the sayings of Hu, and select "comrades with good political quality" to form "teams of Internet commentators" by the CPC Central Committee (中共中央办公厅) and General Office of the State Council (国务院办公厅).[9][15]

Negative reporting of local authorities has increased on the internet since then.[16] In one instance described on the China Digital Times, the Jiaozuo (Henan) City Public Security Bureau established a mechanism to analyse public opinion after criticism of the police handling of a traffic incident appeared on the internet. The Bureau responded with 120 staff calling for the truth to be revealed in line with the public opinion, which gradually shifted and eventually supported the police position, denouncing the original poster.[16][17] In the aftermath of the 2008 Guizhou riot, internet forums were filled with posts critical of the local authorities; the China News Weekly later reported that "the major task of the propaganda group was to organize commentators to past [sic] posts on websites to guide online public opinions."[17]

In 2010, the Shanghai Communist Youth League's official website published a summary, saying that there were more than 200 topics by Shanghai Municipal Authorities' Internet commentators posted at People's Daily site, Xinhua site, Eastday (东方网), Sina andTianya after many incidents in 2009, including Lotus Riverside incident, Green Dam software forced installation, Putuo Urban Administrative incident, H1N1's control, Shanghai entrapment incident (钓鱼执法), Pan Rong (潘蓉)'s self-immolation, etc. It was praised by Shanghai Internet Publicity Office.[18]

In December 2014, a Chinese blogger hacked into and published email archives for the Internet Propaganda Department of Zhanggong District in Ganzhou, including over 2,700 emails of 50 Cent Party internet commentators.[19][20] For instance, on 16 January 2014, Shi Wenqing, secretary of the Ganzhou branch of the CCP, held a televised "internet exchange" in which he answered questions from a local news website forum; 50 Cent Party commentators were instructed to post seven discussion points, such as (translated) "I really admire Party Secretary Shi, what a capable and effective Party Secretary! I hope he can be the father of Ganzhou for years to come."[21]

Range of operation[edit]
The Ministry of Culture of the People's Republic of China now holds regular training sessions, where participants are required to pass an exam after which they are issued a job certification.[9] As of 2008, the total number of 50-cent operatives was estimated to be in the tens of thousands,[1] and possibly as high as 280,000–300,000.[9][22]

According to the Chinese Communists' opinions of the recruitment of university Work Committee (tentative), the university Internet commentators are mainly selected from cadres or student cadres at Communist Party Publicity Department of universities, Youth League, Office of Academic Affairs, Network Center, Admissions Employment Department, Political Theory Department, Teaching Department and other units.[23]

The court of Qinghe District, Huai'an organized a team of 12 commentators.[24] Gansu Province hired 650 commentators, sorted by their writing abilities.[25] Suqian Municipal Publicity Department's first 26 commentators' team were reported by Yangtse Evening Postin April 2005.[26] According to high-profile independent Chinese blogger Li Ming, the pro-Chinese government web commentators must number "at least in the tens of thousands".[27]

Wen Yunchao (温云超), a formal Internet commentator said that there were about 20 full-time commentators for the local news websites in Guangdong. A county-level discipline inspection commission's Internet commentator estimated more than 100 spare-time Internet commentators in his county, whose population was about 1 million. Hu Yong, an Internet expert from Peking University, said that "the public opinion molders have already penetrated different layers of Chinese society", he found public opinion watchmen that deal with negative information on the forums in tourist city's airport and county-level middle school.[7]

Amnesty International secretary-general Salil Shetty in March 2011 warned that countries, like China and Iran, were investing "considerable resources into pro-government blogs" in an effort to cement state power.[27]

Every large Chinese website is instructed by the Information Office to create a trained team of Internet commentators.[9]

According to an article published by Xiao Qiang on her website China Digital Times, a leaked propaganda directive, sent to 50 Cent Party internet commentators, stated their objective was the following:[28][29][better source needed]

In order to circumscribe the influence of Taiwanese democracy, in order to progress further in the work of guiding public opinion, and in accordance with the requirements established by higher authorities to "be strategic, be skilled," we hope that internet commentators conscientiously study the mindset of netizens, grasp international developments, and better perform the work of being an internet commentator. For this purpose, this notice is promulgated as set forth below:

(1) To the extent possible make America the target of criticism. Play down the existence of Taiwan.
(2) Do not directly confront [the idea of] democracy; rather, frame the argument in terms of "what kind of system can truly implement democracy.”
(3) To the extent possible, choose various examples in Western countries of violence and unreasonable circumstances to explain how democracy is not well-suited to capitalism.
(4) Use America's and other countries' interference in international affairs to explain how Western democracy is actually an invasion of other countries and [how the West] is forcibly pushing [on other countries] Western values.
(5) Use the bloody and tear-stained history of a [once] weak people [i.e., China] to stir up pro-Party and patriotic emotions.
(6) Increase the exposure that positive developments inside China receive; further accommodate the work of maintaining [social] stability.[28][29]
Salary[edit]
The English version of China-based Global Times reported that Changsha Publicity Department's Internet commentators were paid 0.5 yuan per post, which is considered as the origin of the term "50 Cent Party". However, according to the local party-building website, the basic salary of such commentators was 600 yuan in 2006.[7][8]

In 2010, the Internet commentators from Hengyang Municipal Committee Party School were paid 0.1 yuan per post and less than 100 yuan monthly bonus.[30][31]

A county-level discipline inspection commission's Internet commentator from Hunan Province told Global Times that a 500-word article is worth 40 yuan on local websites and 200 yuan on national sites.[7]

Terms[edit]
There is an alternate official term for the Internet Commentator, as well as several unofficial terms coined by netizens for them:

Chinese (Simp/Trad) Pinyin Literally in English Commonly in English Note
Official name (Primary) /網絡評論員 wǎngluò pínglùn yuán Internet commentator Internet commentator Abbreviation in Chinese: 网评员/網評員 (wǎng píng yuán)
Official name (Secondary) /網絡閱評員 wǎngluò yuè píng yuán Internet examiner and commentator N/A
Unofficial term /五毛黨 or simply 五毛 wǔmáo dǎng or wǔmáo 5 mao[Note 1] Party or 5 mao, 5 pence 50 Cent Party The most common name, pejorative. Other English translation: 50 Cent Army
Unofficial term /網評猿 wǎng píng yuán Ape that comments on the Internet N/A Pronounced identically with the above Chinese wǎng píng yuán 网评员 abbreviation, punning yuán ( "ape; monkey") for yuán ("personnel, staff member"), pejorative
Other English terms /紅馬甲, /紅衛兵 hóng mǎjiǎ, hóng wèibīng Red vest; Red guard Red vest, Red vanguard[17][32] The Chinese translation for these English terms are rarely used
Among those names, "50 Cent Party" (五毛党) is the most common and pejorative unofficial term.[33] It was created by Chinese netizens as a satire. Many trace the origin of the "50-cent" name to the salaries at the Publicity Department of Changsha, which according to the English version of Global Times, supplemented Internet Commentators' basic income with 50-cent ("5 mao") [Note 1] per post since October 2004.[7]

The term is derogatorily applied by cynical Chinese netizens to any person who blatantly expresses pro-Communist Party thoughts online.[4] However, there's another word "5 US cent (五美分)" used by some netizens to denigrate anti-party comments, with the implication that those commentators are hired by the governments of the United States, Taiwan or other western countries. Zhang Shengjun, a professor of international politics at Beijing Normal University published an article Who would be afraid of the cap of "50 Cent Party"? on the Chinese version of Global Times, saying that the term is spread by western media outfits, "it has become a baton waved towards all Chinese patriots" to make the Chinese government a constant target of criticism.[7][34]

The Hong Kong-based Apple Daily reported that although a search for "五毛党" ("50 Cent Party" in Chinese) on a search engine produces results, most were inaccessible and had been deleted.[35]

Effects and opinions[edit]
The Internet commentator/50 Cent Party's activities were described by CPC general secretary, Chinese President Hu Jintao as "a new pattern of public-opinion guidance";[36][37] they represent a shift from simply erasing dissenting opinions to guiding dialogue, lest the "truth may hurt social stability".[7] In 2010, a contributor to The Huffington Post stated that some comments she received on one of her posts were from the 50 Cent Party;[38] she also stated that the 50 Cent Party monitors popular US websites, news sites and blogs and posts comments that advance Chinese governmental interests.[38]
 

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50 Cent Party
Traditional Chinese 五毛黨
Simplified Chinese 五毛党
[show]Transcriptions
Internet commentator(s)
Traditional Chinese
網絡評論員
Simplified Chinese 网络评论员
[show]Transcriptions

The 50 Cent Party, or 50 Cent Army (Chinese: 五毛党 wǔmáo dǎng), are Internet commentators (Chinese: 网络评论员 wǎngluò pínglùn yuán) hired by the government of the People's Republic of China (both local and central) or the Communist Party to create favorable articles, internet sites, information and post comments on forums, social media networks and all kinds of news, exchange and journals online platforms favorable towards party policies in an attempt to shape and sway public opinion on various Internet message boards.[1][2] The name derives from the allegation that commentators are said to be paid fifty cents of Renminbi for every post that either steers a discussion away from anti-party or sensitive content on websites, bulletin board systems, and chatrooms,[3] or that advances the Communist party line.[4][5] They are also deployed to make disparaging comments, spread falsehoods and misinformation about political opponents, critics of the Chinese communist party regime, and about any targeted national or international topic or entity, such as politicians, countries, organizations, etc.[6]



Contents
[hide]


History[edit]
In October 2004, the Publicity Department of Changsha started hiring Internet commentators, in one of the earliest known uses of professional Internet commentators.[7][8]

In March 2005, the Ministry of Education of the People's Republic of China enacted a systematic censorship of Chinese college bulletin board systems. The popular "Little Lily" BBS, run by Nanjing University, was forced to close. As a new system was prepared to be launched, school officials hired students as part-time web commentators, paid from the university's work-study funds, to search the forum for undesirable information and actively counter it with Party-friendly viewpoints. In the following months, party leaders fromJiangsu began hiring their own teams.[9] By mid-2007, web commentator teams recruited by schools, and party organizations were common across China. Shanghai Normal University employed undergraduates to monitor for signs of dissent and post on university forums.[10] These commentators not only operate within political discussions, but also in general discussions.[9][10] Afterwards, some schools and local governments also started to build similar teams.[11][12][13]

On 23 January 2007, Chinese leader Hu Jintao demanded a "reinforcement of ideological and public opinion front construction and positive publicity" at the 38th collective learning of Politburo.[14] Large Chinese websites and local governments have been requested to publish the sayings of Hu, and select "comrades with good political quality" to form "teams of Internet commentators" by the CPC Central Committee (中共中央办公厅) and General Office of the State Council (国务院办公厅).[9][15]

Negative reporting of local authorities has increased on the internet since then.[16] In one instance described on the China Digital Times, the Jiaozuo (Henan) City Public Security Bureau established a mechanism to analyse public opinion after criticism of the police handling of a traffic incident appeared on the internet. The Bureau responded with 120 staff calling for the truth to be revealed in line with the public opinion, which gradually shifted and eventually supported the police position, denouncing the original poster.[16][17] In the aftermath of the 2008 Guizhou riot, internet forums were filled with posts critical of the local authorities; the China News Weekly later reported that "the major task of the propaganda group was to organize commentators to past [sic] posts on websites to guide online public opinions."[17]

In 2010, the Shanghai Communist Youth League's official website published a summary, saying that there were more than 200 topics by Shanghai Municipal Authorities' Internet commentators posted at People's Daily site, Xinhua site, Eastday (东方网), Sina andTianya after many incidents in 2009, including Lotus Riverside incident, Green Dam software forced installation, Putuo Urban Administrative incident, H1N1's control, Shanghai entrapment incident (钓鱼执法), Pan Rong (潘蓉)'s self-immolation, etc. It was praised by Shanghai Internet Publicity Office.[18]

In December 2014, a Chinese blogger hacked into and published email archives for the Internet Propaganda Department of Zhanggong District in Ganzhou, including over 2,700 emails of 50 Cent Party internet commentators.[19][20] For instance, on 16 January 2014, Shi Wenqing, secretary of the Ganzhou branch of the CCP, held a televised "internet exchange" in which he answered questions from a local news website forum; 50 Cent Party commentators were instructed to post seven discussion points, such as (translated) "I really admire Party Secretary Shi, what a capable and effective Party Secretary! I hope he can be the father of Ganzhou for years to come."[21]

Range of operation[edit]
The Ministry of Culture of the People's Republic of China now holds regular training sessions, where participants are required to pass an exam after which they are issued a job certification.[9] As of 2008, the total number of 50-cent operatives was estimated to be in the tens of thousands,[1] and possibly as high as 280,000–300,000.[9][22]

According to the Chinese Communists' opinions of the recruitment of university Work Committee (tentative), the university Internet commentators are mainly selected from cadres or student cadres at Communist Party Publicity Department of universities, Youth League, Office of Academic Affairs, Network Center, Admissions Employment Department, Political Theory Department, Teaching Department and other units.[23]

The court of Qinghe District, Huai'an organized a team of 12 commentators.[24] Gansu Province hired 650 commentators, sorted by their writing abilities.[25] Suqian Municipal Publicity Department's first 26 commentators' team were reported by Yangtse Evening Postin April 2005.[26] According to high-profile independent Chinese blogger Li Ming, the pro-Chinese government web commentators must number "at least in the tens of thousands".[27]

Wen Yunchao (温云超), a formal Internet commentator said that there were about 20 full-time commentators for the local news websites in Guangdong. A county-level discipline inspection commission's Internet commentator estimated more than 100 spare-time Internet commentators in his county, whose population was about 1 million. Hu Yong, an Internet expert from Peking University, said that "the public opinion molders have already penetrated different layers of Chinese society", he found public opinion watchmen that deal with negative information on the forums in tourist city's airport and county-level middle school.[7]

Amnesty International secretary-general Salil Shetty in March 2011 warned that countries, like China and Iran, were investing "considerable resources into pro-government blogs" in an effort to cement state power.[27]

Every large Chinese website is instructed by the Information Office to create a trained team of Internet commentators.[9]

According to an article published by Xiao Qiang on her website China Digital Times, a leaked propaganda directive, sent to 50 Cent Party internet commentators, stated their objective was the following:[28][29][better source needed]

In order to circumscribe the influence of Taiwanese democracy, in order to progress further in the work of guiding public opinion, and in accordance with the requirements established by higher authorities to "be strategic, be skilled," we hope that internet commentators conscientiously study the mindset of netizens, grasp international developments, and better perform the work of being an internet commentator. For this purpose, this notice is promulgated as set forth below:

(1) To the extent possible make America the target of criticism. Play down the existence of Taiwan.
(2) Do not directly confront [the idea of] democracy; rather, frame the argument in terms of "what kind of system can truly implement democracy.”
(3) To the extent possible, choose various examples in Western countries of violence and unreasonable circumstances to explain how democracy is not well-suited to capitalism.
(4) Use America's and other countries' interference in international affairs to explain how Western democracy is actually an invasion of other countries and [how the West] is forcibly pushing [on other countries] Western values.
(5) Use the bloody and tear-stained history of a [once] weak people [i.e., China] to stir up pro-Party and patriotic emotions.
(6) Increase the exposure that positive developments inside China receive; further accommodate the work of maintaining [social] stability.[28][29]
Salary[edit]
The English version of China-based Global Times reported that Changsha Publicity Department's Internet commentators were paid 0.5 yuan per post, which is considered as the origin of the term "50 Cent Party". However, according to the local party-building website, the basic salary of such commentators was 600 yuan in 2006.[7][8]

In 2010, the Internet commentators from Hengyang Municipal Committee Party School were paid 0.1 yuan per post and less than 100 yuan monthly bonus.[30][31]

A county-level discipline inspection commission's Internet commentator from Hunan Province told Global Times that a 500-word article is worth 40 yuan on local websites and 200 yuan on national sites.[7]

Terms[edit]
There is an alternate official term for the Internet Commentator, as well as several unofficial terms coined by netizens for them:

Chinese (Simp/Trad) Pinyin Literally in English Commonly in English Note
Official name (Primary) /網絡評論員 wǎngluò pínglùn yuán Internet commentator Internet commentator Abbreviation in Chinese: 网评员/網評員 (wǎng píng yuán)
Official name (Secondary) /網絡閱評員 wǎngluò yuè píng yuán Internet examiner and commentator N/A
Unofficial term /五毛黨 or simply 五毛 wǔmáo dǎng or wǔmáo 5 mao[Note 1] Party or 5 mao, 5 pence 50 Cent Party The most common name, pejorative. Other English translation: 50 Cent Army
Unofficial term /網評猿 wǎng píng yuán Ape that comments on the Internet N/A Pronounced identically with the above Chinese wǎng píng yuán 网评员 abbreviation, punning yuán ( "ape; monkey") for yuán ("personnel, staff member"), pejorative
Other English terms /紅馬甲, /紅衛兵 hóng mǎjiǎ, hóng wèibīng Red vest; Red guard Red vest, Red vanguard[17][32] The Chinese translation for these English terms are rarely used
Among those names, "50 Cent Party" (五毛党) is the most common and pejorative unofficial term.[33] It was created by Chinese netizens as a satire. Many trace the origin of the "50-cent" name to the salaries at the Publicity Department of Changsha, which according to the English version of Global Times, supplemented Internet Commentators' basic income with 50-cent ("5 mao") [Note 1] per post since October 2004.[7]

The term is derogatorily applied by cynical Chinese netizens to any person who blatantly expresses pro-Communist Party thoughts online.[4] However, there's another word "5 US cent (五美分)" used by some netizens to denigrate anti-party comments, with the implication that those commentators are hired by the governments of the United States, Taiwan or other western countries. Zhang Shengjun, a professor of international politics at Beijing Normal University published an article Who would be afraid of the cap of "50 Cent Party"? on the Chinese version of Global Times, saying that the term is spread by western media outfits, "it has become a baton waved towards all Chinese patriots" to make the Chinese government a constant target of criticism.[7][34]

The Hong Kong-based Apple Daily reported that although a search for "五毛党" ("50 Cent Party" in Chinese) on a search engine produces results, most were inaccessible and had been deleted.[35]

Effects and opinions[edit]
The Internet commentator/50 Cent Party's activities were described by CPC general secretary, Chinese President Hu Jintao as "a new pattern of public-opinion guidance";[36][37] they represent a shift from simply erasing dissenting opinions to guiding dialogue, lest the "truth may hurt social stability".[7] In 2010, a contributor to The Huffington Post stated that some comments she received on one of her posts were from the 50 Cent Party;[38] she also stated that the 50 Cent Party monitors popular US websites, news sites and blogs and posts comments that advance Chinese governmental interests.[38]

See also[edit]
China portal
Internet portal
Notes[edit]
  1. ^ Jump up to:a b "毛" (máo), formally known as "jiao", is a colloquial unit of current Chinese currency Renminbi which equals to 0.1 basic unit yuan.
References[edit]
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  2. Jump up^ "Internet Spin for Stability Enforcers", Sophie Beach, China Digital Times, 25 May 2010
  3. Jump up^ China employs army of piece-rate ‘netizens’ for online thought control. Tibetan Review. 2 January 2009
  4. ^ Jump up to:a b Vembu, Venkatesan (2 January 2009). "Big Brother 2.0 is here". Daily News and Analysis (India). Retrieved 11 January 2009.
  5. Jump up^ Cook, Sarah; Shum, Maggie (11 October 2011). "China's growing army of paid internet commentators". Freedom House.
  6. Jump up^ http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/114...hinese-regime-employs-500000-internet-trolls/
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  8. ^ Jump up to:a b Publicity Department of Hefei (24 May 2006). "关于南昌、长沙、郑州宣传文化工作的考察报告 (An Investigative Report Regarding Cultural Propaganda Work in Nanchang, Changsha, and Zhengzhou)" (in Chinese).[dead link] Screenshot
  9. ^ Jump up to:a b c d e f Bandurski, David (July 2008). "China's Guerrilla War for the Web". Far Eastern Economic Review. Archived from the original on 22 January 2009. Retrieved 11 January 2009.
  10. ^ Jump up to:a b As Chinese Students Go Online, Little Sister Is Watching. The New York Times. 9 May 2006
  11. Jump up^ 宿迁26名网评员今上岗 (in Chinese). sohu. Retrieved 10 September 2010.
  12. Jump up^ 关于进一步加强互联网管理工作的实施意见 (in Chinese). Government of Golog, Qinghai. Retrieved 10 September 2010.
  13. Jump up^ 巴中市人事局采取四大措施加强网络舆情监控 (in Chinese). Sichuan Provincial People's Government. Retrieved 10 September 2010.
  14. Jump up^ 胡锦涛:以创新的精神加强网络文化建设和管理 (in Chinese). xinhua. Archived from the original on 30 August 2010. Retrieved10 September 2010.
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  17. ^ Jump up to:a b c Zhong, Wu. China's Internet awash with state spies. Asia Times Online. 14 August 2008
  18. Jump up^ "市级机关团工委2009年度工作总结 (2009 summary of works of the Municipal Authorities Youth League Working Committee)" (in Chinese). Shanghai Communist Youth League official site. 20 January 2010. Retrieved 20 January 2010. 2009年,市级机关网评员在市网宣办的业务指导下,先后参与了莲花河畔景苑倒楼事件、强制安装"绿坝"网络屏蔽软件、普陀区城管打人事件、甲型 H1N1 流感防控、"倒钩"执法事件、闵行区潘蓉自焚事件、地铁事故频发等以涉沪舆情为重点的网上舆论引导工作,在人民网、新华网、东方网及新浪、天涯社区等国内重点网站、主要商业网站、大型网络社区。发帖、跟帖、转帖200余篇,东方网评论频道录用各类网评文章20余篇,工作得到市网宣办的肯定。[dead link]
  19. Jump up^ Thousands of Local Internet Propaganda Emails Leaked, China Digital Times, 3 December 2014.
  20. Jump up^ Zhanggong Leaks: History is the Best Judge, China Digital Times, 10 December 2014.
  21. Jump up^ Hacked emails reveal China’s elaborate and absurd internet propaganda machine, Quartz, 18 December 2014.
  22. Jump up^ Fareed, Malik. China joins a turf war. The Guardian. 22 September 2008
  23. Jump up^ "为认真贯彻落实《中共中央、国务院关于进一步加强和改进大学生思想政治教育的意见》(中发〔2004〕16号)和《教育部、共青团中央关于进一步加强高等学校校园网络管理工作的意见》(教社政〔2004〕17号)精神,牢牢把握网上舆论主导权,为我省高等教育改革发展稳定提供良好的舆论环境,努力构建社会主义和谐校园,现就加强高校网络评论员队伍建设提出以下意见。"
  24. Jump up^ 清河法院组建互联网网评工作队 (in Chinese). Huai'an Intermediate People's Court. Archived from the original on 14 April 2010.
  25. Jump up^ "甘肅將建650人網絡評論員隊伍引導輿論". Sina. 20 January 2010. Retrieved 4 March 2011.
  26. Jump up^ "宿迁26名网评员今上岗". Sohu. 29 April 2005. Retrieved 4 March 2011.
  27. ^ Jump up to:a b "China's web spin doctors spread Beijing's message". Sydney Morning Herald. 12 May 2011. Retrieved 28 November 2011.
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  29. ^ Jump up to:a b http://chinadigitaltimes.net/chinese/2011/06/网评员《上级通知》/ (Chinese)[self-published source]
  30. Jump up^ 《党校阵地》网评员管理办法 [Party school front Internet commentators Regulations] (in Chinese). 中国衡阳党建网 (China Hengyang Party-building website). 8 January 2010. Retrieved 22 January 2010.[dead link] Screenshot
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http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/politics/2012/10/china’s-paid-trolls-meet-50-cent-party

February 2011, Ai Weiwei tweeted that he would like to conduct an interview with an “online commentator”. Commentators are hired by the Chinese government or the Communist Party of China to post comments favourable towards party policies and to shape public opinion on internet message boards and forums. The commentators are known as the 50-Cent Party, as they are said to be paid 50 cents for every post that steers a discussion away from anti-party content or that advances the Communist Party line.

Below is the transcript of Ai’s interview with an online commentator. As requested, an iPad was given as compensation for the interview. To protect the interviewee, relevant personal information has been concealed in this script.

Question: What’s your name, age, city of residence and online username?

Answer: I cannot make my name public. I’m 26. I have too many usernames. If I want to use one, I just register it. I won’t mention them here.

What do you call the work you do now?

It doesn’t matter what you call it: online commentator, public opinion guide, or even “the 50-Cent Party” that everyone’s heard of.

What is your level of education and work experience? How did you begin the work of guiding public opinion?

I graduated from university and studied media. I once worked for a TV channel, then in online media. I’ve always been in the news media industry, for four or five years now.Over a year ago, a friend asked me if I wanted to be an online commentator, to earn some extra money. I said I’d give it a try. Later, I discovered it was very easy.

When and from where will you receive directives for work?

Almost every morning at 9am I receive an email from my superiors – the internet publicity office of the local government – telling me about the news we’re to comment on for the day. Sometimes it specifies the website to comment on, but most of the time it’s not limited to certain websites: you just find relevant news and comment on it.

Can you describe your work in detail?

The process has three steps – receive task, search for topic, post comments to guide public opinion. Receiving a task mainly involves ensuring you open your email box every day. Usually after an event has happened, or even before the news has come out, we’ll receive an email telling us what the event is, then instructions on which direction to guide the netizens’ thoughts, to blur their focus, or to fan their enthusiasm for certain ideas. After we’ve found the relevant articles or news on a website, according to the overall direction given by our superiors we start to write articles, post or reply to comments. This requires a lot of skill. You can’t write in a very official manner, you must conceal your identity, write articles in many different styles, sometimes even have a dialogue with yourself, argue, debate. In sum, you want to create illusions to attract the attention and comments of netizens.

In a forum, there are three roles for you to play: the leader, the follower, the onlooker or unsuspecting member of the public. The leader is the relatively authoritative speaker, who usually appears after a controversy and speaks with powerful evidence. The public usually finds such users very convincing. There are two opposing groups of followers. The role they play is to continuously debate, argue, or even swear on the forum. This will attract attention from observers. At the end of the argument, the leader appears, brings out some powerful evidence, makes public opinion align with him and the objective is achieved. The third type is the onlookers, the netizens. They are our true target “clients”. We influence the third group mainly through role-playing between the other two kinds of identity. You could say we’re like directors, influencing the audience through our own writing, directing and acting. Sometimes I feel like I have a split personality.

Regarding the three roles that you play, is that a common tactic? Or are there other ways?

There are too many ways. It’s kind of psychological. Netizens nowadays are more thoughtful than before. We have many ways. You can make a bad thing sound even worse, make an elaborate account, and make people think it’s nonsense when they see it. In fact, it’s like two negatives make a positive. When it’s reached a certain degree of mediocrity, they’ll think it might not be all that bad.

What is the guiding principle of your work?

The principle is to understand the guiding thought of superiors, the direction of public opinion desired, then to start your own work.

Can you reveal the content of a “task” email?

For example, “Don’t spread rumours, don’t believe in rumours”, or “Influence public understanding of X event”, “Promote the correct direction of public opinion on XXXX”, “Explain and clarify XX event; avoid the appearance of untrue or illegal remarks”, “For the detrimental social effect created by the recent XX event, focus on guiding the thoughts of netizens in the correct direction of XXXX”.

What are the categories of information that you usually receive?

They are mainly local events. They cover over 60 to 70 per cent of local instructions – for example, people who are filing complaints or petitioning.

For countrywide events, such as the Jasmine Revolution [the pro-democracy protests that took place across the country in 2011], do you get involved?

For popular online events like the Jasmine Revolution, we have never received a related task. I also thought it was quite strange. Perhaps we aren’t senior enough.

Can you tell us the content of the commentary you usually write?

The netizens are used to seeing unskilled comments that simply say the government is great or so and so is a traitor. They know what is behind it at a glance. The principle I observe is: don’t directly praise the government or criticise negative news. Moreover, the tone of speech, identity and stance of speech must look as if it’s an unsuspecting member of public; only then can it resonate with netizens. To sum up, you want to guide netizens obliquely and let them change their focus without realising it.

Can you go off the topic?

Of course you can go off the topic. When transferring the attention of netizens and

blurring the public focus, going off the topic is very effective. For example, during the census, everyone will be talking about its truthfulness or necessity; then I’ll post jokes that appeared in the census. Or, in other instances, I would publish adverts to take up space on political news reports.

Can you tell us a specific, typical process of “guiding public opinion”?

For example, each time the oil price is about to go up, we’ll receive a notification to “stabilise the emotions of netizens and divert public attention”. The next day, when news of the rise comes out, netizens will definitely be condemning the state, CNPC and Sinopec. At this point, I register an ID and post a comment: “Rise, rise however you want, I don’t care. Best if it rises to 50 yuan per litre: it serves you right if you’re too poor to drive. Only those with money should be allowed to drive on the roads . . .”

This sounds like I’m inviting attacks but the aim is to anger netizens and divert the anger and attention on oil prices to me. I would then change my identity several times and start to condemn myself. This will attract more attention. After many people have seen it, they start to attack me directly. Slowly, the content of the whole page has also changed from oil price to what I’ve said. It is very effective.

What’s your area of work? Which websites do you comment on? Which netizens do you target?

There’s no limit on which websites I visit. I mainly deal with local websites, or work on Tencent. There are too many commentators on Sohu, Sina, etc. As far as I know, these websites have dedicated internal departments for commenting.

Can you tell which online comments are by online commentators?

Because I do this, I can tell at a glance that about 10 to 20 per cent out of the tens of thousands of comments posted on a forum are made by online commentators.

Will you debate with other people online? What sorts of conflicts do you have? How do you control and disperse emotion?

Most of the time we’re debating with ourselves. I usually never debate with netizens and I’ll never say I’ve been angered by a netizen or an event. You could say that usually when I’m working, I stay rational.

When the government says, “Don’t believe in rumours, don’t spread rumours,” it achieves the opposite effect. For example, when Sars and the melamine in milk case broke out, people tended to choose not to trust the government when faced with the choices of “Don’t trust rumours” and “Don’t trust the government”.

I think this country and government have got into a rather embarrassing situation. No matter what happens – for example, if a person commits a crime, or there’s a traffic accident – as long as it’s a bad event and it’s publicised online, there will be people who condemn the government. I think this is very strange.

This is inevitable, because the government encompasses all. When all honour is attributed to you, all mistakes are also attributed to you. Apart from targeted events, are individuals targeted? Would there be this kind of directive?

There should be. I think for the Dalai Lama, there must be guidance throughout the country. All people in China hate the Dalai Lama and Falun Gong somewhat. According to my understanding, the government has truly gone a bit over the top. Before I got involved in this circle, I didn’t know anything. So I believe that wherever public opinion has been controlled relatively well, there will always have been commentators involved.

How do your superiors inspect and assess your work?

The superiors will arrange dedicated auditors who do random checks according to the links we provide. Auditors usually don’t assess, because they always make work requirements very clear. We just have to do as they say and there won’t be any mistakes.

How is your compensation decided?

It’s calculated on a monthly basis, according to quantity and quality. It’s basically calculated at 50 yuan per 100 comments. When there’s an unexpected event, the compensation might be higher. If you work together to guide public opinion on a hot topic and several dozen people are posting, the compensation for those days counts for more. Basically, the compensation is very low. I work part-time. On average, the monthly pay is about 500-600 yuan. There are people who work full-time on this. It’s possible they could earn thousands of yuan a month.

Do you like your work?

I wouldn’t say I like it or hate it. It’s just a bit more to do each day. A bit more pocket money each month, that’s all.

What’s the biggest difficulty in the work?

Perhaps it’s that you have to guess the psychology of netizens. You have to learn a lot of writing skills. You have to know how to imitate another person’s writing style. You need to understand how to gain the trust of the public and influence their thoughts.

Why can’t you reveal your identity? Why do you think it’s sensitive?

Do you want me to lose my job? Whatever form or name we use to post on any forums or blogs is absolutely confidential. We can’t reveal our identity, and I definitely wouldn’t reveal that I’m a professional online commentator.

If we do, what would be the purpose of our existence? Exposure would affect not just me, it would create an even greater negative effect on our “superiors”.

What do you mean by “superiors”?

Our superior leaders – above that should be the propaganda department.

Is your identity known to your family? Your friends?

No. I haven’t revealed it to my family or friends. If people knew I was doing this, it might have a negative effect on my reputation.

You say: “If I reveal inside information, without exaggeration this could lead to fatality.” Do you think that the consequence would be so serious?

With my identity, I’m involved in the media and also the internet. If I really reveal my identity or let something slip, it could have an incalculable effect on me.

If you say you want to quit, will there be resistance? Are there any strings attached?

Not at all. This industry is already very transparent. For me, it’s just a part-time job. It’s like any other job. It’s not as dark as you think.

How many hours do you go online each day and on which sites? Do you rest at the weekend?

I go online for six to eight hours nearly every day. I’m mainly active on our local BBS and some large mainstream internet media and microblogs. I don’t work over weekends, but I’ll sign in to my email account and see if there’s any important instruction.

In daily life, will you still be thinking about your online work?

Now and then. For example, when I see a piece of news, I’ll think about which direction the superiors will request it to be guided in and how I would go about it. It’s a bit of an occupational hazard.

Do you watch CCTV News and read the People’s Daily?

I usually follow all the news, particularly the local news. But I generally don’t watch CCTV News, because it’s too much about harmony.

Do you go on Twitter? Who do you follow?

Yes. I follow a few interesting people, including Ai Weiwei. But I don’t speak on Twitter, just read and learn.

How big a role do you think this industry plays in guiding public opinion in China?

Truthfully speaking, I think the role is quite big. The majority of netizens in China are actually very stupid. Sometimes, if you don’t guide them, they really will believe in rumours.

Because their information is limited to begin with. So, with limited information, it’s very difficult for them to express a political view.

I think they can be incited very easily. I can control them very easily. Depending on how I want them to be, I use a little bit of thought and that’s enough. It’s very easy. So I think the effect should be quite significant.

Do you think the government has the right to guide public opinion?

Personally, I think absolutely not. But in China, the government absolutely must interfere and guide public opinion. The majority of Chinese netizens are incited too easily, don’t think for themselves and are deceived and incited too easily by false news.

Do you have to believe in the viewpoints you express? Are you concerned about politics and the future?

I don’t have to believe in them. Sometimes you know well that what you say is false or untrue. But you still have to say it, because it’s your job. I’m not too concerned about Chinese politics. There’s nothing to be concerned about in Chinese politics.
 

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China to Train '50-Cent Army' in Online Propaganda
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A Chinese netizen uses Weibo, the Twitter-like microblogging service of Sina, in a rural village in southwest China's Guizhou province, Dec. 15, 2012.
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China has announced a certified training course for its "50-cent army" of Internet propagandists who are paid to manipulate public opinion by posting and retweeting comments favorable to the ruling Chinese Communist Party.

State-run news agency Xinhua's online news service Xinhuanet said it would run the first part of its course on the "management of online public opinion" on March 27, in a bid to train large numbers of people to write comments supportive of the government and its policies.

The exact numbers of people grouped under the "50-cent army" is unknown, and many are employed by separate organizations under different job titles.

But their role is to try to swing the opinions of China's increasingly frustrated netizens in the direction of the status quo, posting pro-government opinions and trying to deflect criticism and dissent among China's 600 million Internet users.

China's Ministry of Industry and Information Technology recently set up the National Online Public Opinion Management Skills Proficiency Test Center, which has a website at www.npst.org.cn, Xinhuanet said in an announcement on its website this week.

The program will teach aspiring 50-centers how to covertly direct online discussions on "mass incidents" of civil unrest and rioting that are a common occurrence in today's China.

They will also receive training in the influence of "Big V" tweeters with huge followings on popular microblogging platforms like Sina Weibo, who have been warned by the government to exhibit "social responsibility" after some posted comments highly critical of the government.

Organizations wishing to train 50-centers can start them as assistant analysts before they move up to analyst and senior analyst grades, or senior network engineer grade, by taking further tests, it said.

"Students who pass the exam receive a certificate issued by the Ministry of Education and Vocational Examination Center that can be used by employers as a key basis for selection, appointment, evaluation, and promotion of candidates," it said.

Trainees will benefit from the experience of "veteran" manipulators of online public opinion, and learn through analysis of case studies, simulation, and group discussion.

Results from the three-hour examinations set by the center are returned within 10 days, the statement said.

Unprecedented move

Wang Jinxiang, an independent website publisher based the central province of Hubei, said the move to professionalize the "50-cent army," often the target of derision by netizens, was unprecedented.

"There was never this sort of system or professionalization in the past," Wang said. "It seems that this is a new set of qualifications."

"This has come about as the Internet becomes more universally used."

Wang said online public opinion is an issue that makes Chinese officials very nervous, and the new qualification could play a role in more in-depth study of online opinion as a social phenomenon in China.

"They are focusing on trying to collect online public opinion at the moment," he said. "Previous research wasn't systematized, and had omissions; it wasn't direct."

But he added: "Trying to control citizens' freedom of expression contravenes the Constitution."

'Ideological spies'

Guangxi-based freelance writer Xing Chu agreed.

"They are really a form of cultural and ideological spies," he said. "This is the product of a mentality that thinks everything in heaven and earth and in other people's lives is its business."

"This is pretty much the same thing as the 50-cent army we had before."

China has cracked down on a number of high-profile journalists and tweeters in recent months.

On Sept. 1, 2013, China's highest judicial authorities issued a directive on Sept. 1 criminalizing online "rumor-mongering," in a move widely seen as targeting critical comments and negative news on the country's hugely popular social media sites.

Last year saw increasing levels of official control over freedom of expression, including criticisms of the government that were merely implied, the report, issued by the Hubei-based rights group Civil Rights and Livelihood Watch, said in an annual report last month.

Reported by An Pei for RFA's Mandarin Service. Translated and written in English by Luisetta Mudie.
 

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Says a Chinese whose ancestors offered their women to be raped by occupying Japanese , to save their cowardly ass?
I can't believe these words coming out of someone who had 150 years colonial history by British. Yes, our women were raped by Japanese beasts in 8 years. Are you telling me your women were taken by British LEAGALLY?

China has been asked to relook at its policy of protecting international terrorists, by being given a sort of warning, that if you want to promote terrorism in India, we have enough handles of China in our hand to twist. Game is going to get more tough for Chinese and the game has just started. Sit back and enjoy.
Of course, just like the Tibetan Lama you have been played for more than 60 years.

If we could supply Arms to Northern Alliance in Afghanistan against Taliban. Some of them surely can land else where ;)
Yes, they can land in the hands of Taliban.
 

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The real slaves are Indians yourselves.

U have been housing Tibetan bigots and even given them a de facto self ruled " kingdom" with a "govmt in exile" on your soil, while u r not able to provide for your own fellow Indians, who live in extreme poverty without decent electricity or toilet.

Meantime many of them either use u as a stepping stone to greener pastures i.e. the West for better living, or compete with locals for meagre resources, or are engaged in unlawful activities ~ Indian police raid monastery of 'Living Buddha' http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...n-police-raid-monastery-of-Living-Buddha.html

As time goes they become more liability than asset.

So, aren't u enslaved to them?

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No we aren't. :taunt:
Somebody has been badly kicked out from his country because land greedy communists had an eye on them. We only gave shelter to them.
Yes, many immigrants in India including Africans, Bangladeshis, pakistanis and Iranians (particularly students) are involved in such activities so punished.
Disobeying law in India is now fashion for Nepalese. Meanwhile, they have own lands to live, Tibetans are even more destitute. Why not keep them? For the sake of humanity.
Muslims or immigrants whatever they do, they are punished and allowed to remain in India.
This is something called Democracy and emotions of "rulers of Democracy"(the public) which won't fit in your tiny mind.
 

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Many Indians may find the comments about Physical features offensive, it may even be unlawful. Better refrain. We don't need to stoop to Chinese or Paki level of discourse to prove a point or two.
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The purpose of the Section 153 A is to punish persons who indulge in wanton vilification or attacks upon the religion, race, place of birth, residence, language etc of any particular group or class or upon the founders and prophets of a religion.
The object of Section 295-A is to punish deliberate and malicious acts intended to outrage the religious feelings of any class by insulating its religion or the religious beliefs. This section only punishes an aggravated form of insult to religion when it is perpetrated with deliberate and malicious intention of outraging the religious feelings of a class.
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Modi is not serious about either Pakistan or China. It seems the 2002 we hold him dear for was more a fluke than anything else.
Time to put Rajnath in PM post. Is this the BJP which conducted Pokhran 1998?
Did you forget the same BJP was back stabbed in Kargil?
BJP occasionally flexes its pecs otherwise it's as good as UPA 3.0.


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Now some credible journos and their sources say this could be the reason >>>


My conclusion
1) India knew about the red corner notice, yet gave this guy a visa to add some fuel to fire- a tit for tat strategy vis-a-vis Masood Azhar issue.

2) It was a technical glitch!
Oops! If this is true, India has embarrassed itself... yet again, and we received zilch in bargain.
 

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I agree with your points on first issuance and then denial of VISA. Diplomacy is not a ego contest, it is a game of chess. India did not find it useful to go all the way at this stage because once a move is made, the deterrent is lost.

We are still going to host the dissenting voices from China.
I have to slightly disagree on this one. This chess move could have been played behind the scenes without letting the whole world know. Doval was meeting the Chinese counter parts, Parrikar was meeting his counterparts, Sushma Swaraj was meeting her counterparts in Moscow, clearly, it's not like there was a shortage of opportunities to communicate our threats. Had the Chinese been told, in private, that their refusal to amend their resolution on Masood Azar would result in an Indian retaliation in kind, this could have worked out. Instead, we chose to use public diplomacy to coerce China and got our asses handed back to us after Chinese countermoves, and yet, it's still not clear whether they have promised to amend their views about Masood Azar. The net result is that our objective remains unachieved, on top of it China won a diplomatic victory by getting India to back down unilaterally without any concession or assurance to take back home. To make matters worse, BJP social media team was trending #ModiSlapsChina and they fell on their faces within 24 hours when Indian withdrew the visa. Not to mention, the same so called Indian media where BJP had planted self-congratulating stories of a muscular foreign policy is back to its shenanigans, criticizing the government for the flip-flop. What I don't understand is why this government would opt for public diplomacy as a tool to execute their chess moves, knowing very well that the government has no firm control over the hostile Indian media the way US, UK, Russia or China does. Now the same media has got ammunition to fire at the government. This whole move has backfired.

What if our government has cancelled the tourist visa only to give a diplomatic visa to a guest of the Tibetan government in exile? Just saying!! :)
Tibet govt in exile doesn't need a visa as they are already living in India.
 

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I can't believe these words coming out of someone who had 150 years colonial history by British. Yes, our women were raped by Japanese beasts in 8 years. Are you telling me your women were taken by British LEAGALLY?
There were many intermarriages during that time. Where both Indian men/women married British women/men. But they were minority and were called Anglo Indians. However, any rape incident resulted in violent revolts and riots. Something British were vary and generally kept off. They learned the lesson at the very start in 1857. British ruled on the basis of Indian Army. They were very wary of it revolting. When a section of it did revolt, they left!

What Chinese did for 8 years, voluntary offering their women and daughters to Japanese is simply disgusting cowardly behavior.

Of course, just like the Tibetan Lama you have been played for more than 60 years.
Yep, And Supah Powah Chinese Govt is still cries for him after 60 years. The SFF is there for a purpose which has been used and will be used more.
Yes, they can land in the hands of Taliban.
Indian Weapons? Naah, they are too "Kuffar" for them!. They like Chinese weapons and "Halal" Paki weapons. There are other places east of Afghanistan, where they will be of use.
 

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@Neytiri

You will not get any official explanation for the same, because, unlike Tibet, India at this stage will not like to officially recognize Uyghur issue. The article posted by @bose was correct, if India went ahead, some other countries will also follow India and right now India does not want to show its cards completely. It was what it was intended: Giving a wakeup call to China. And message was sent clearly across.

Regarding Red corner notice, none of that matters, because China does not recognize red corner notice against Hafiz and other assorted Pakistani terrorists. Second, Isa bloke travels to EU countries and US, uninhibited inspite of so called Chinese "red corner notice". If India wants to invite him again in future, it will, inspite of "Led colol notices".
 

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Ami ooe forum e goto 8 bochoor dhore gurchi kintu register koreni... I know you all I liked your witty comments specially for Lungis...



Actually the red corner notice being the reason for cancellation is incorrect ... The guy went to USA but was not picked up there... I would say for now they do not want to upset China for whatever reason which we may not be aware of or some adjustment discussed between Doval & his Chinese counterpart...

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TIBET & Xingjian is very sensitive for Chinese maybe Doval is saving it for later

Quoting from the article below.

If India had allowed Isa to visit Dharamsala, he said, the consequences for China’s national security policy would have been “shattering”.

Beijing’s policy lists separatism, extremism and “splittism” linked to Taiwan, Xinjiang and the Dalai Lama as key challenges and any Indian move to let Isa into the country could have been emulated by other nations, Kondapalli said.

Experts believe behind-the-scenes negotiations led to the withdrawal of Isa’s visa, but only after India had made its point.

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Full Article below:

http://www.msn.com/en-in/news/newsi...-activist-row/ar-BBsdYOo?li=AAgges1&ocid=iehp
Aha...in that forum also I had the user id 'dray', later I changed it to 'Rain Man', now thinking about changing it back to 'dray' again. And yes, pulling lungis is my favourite timepass there! :D

And yes, India didn't back out for red corner notice, I just hope that it is for something concrete in return, otherwise it's a mistake. We should not delude ourselves and categorically identify China as the single biggest threat to our security and national interest in the long run, and play accordingly. That's why I am against helping the falling Chinese economy with our imports, unless it is absolutely necessary for our interest.

Tibet govt in exile doesn't need a visa as they are already living in India.
I am talking about the foreign guests of the Tibet govt. in exile.
 

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I have to slightly disagree on this one. This chess move could have been played behind the scenes without letting the whole world know. Doval was meeting the Chinese counter parts, Parrikar was meeting his counterparts, Sushma Swaraj was meeting her counterparts in Moscow, clearly, it's not like there was a shortage of opportunities to communicate our threats. Had the Chinese been told, in private, that their refusal to amend their resolution on Masood Azar would result in an Indian retaliation in kind, this could have worked out. Instead, we chose to use public diplomacy to coerce China and got our asses handed back to us after Chinese countermoves, and yet, it's still not clear whether they have promised to amend their views about Masood Azar. The net result is that our objective remains unachieved, on top of it China won a diplomatic victory by getting India to back down unilaterally without any concession or assurance to take back home. To make matters worse, BJP social media team was trending #ModiSlapsChina and they fell on their faces within 24 hours when Indian withdrew the visa. Not to mention, the same so called Indian media where BJP had planted self-congratulating stories of a muscular foreign policy is back to its shenanigans, criticizing the government for the flip-flop. What I don't understand is why this government would opt for public diplomacy as a tool to execute their chess moves, knowing very well that the government has no firm control over the hostile Indian media the way US, UK, Russia or China does. Now the same media has got ammunition to fire at the government. This whole move has backfired.



Tibet govt in exile doesn't need a visa as they are already living in India.
Yes correct, but then they might have decided to raise the issue in MSM so people should know that what Uyghers and their fight is all about.

Google searches on Uyghers would have been high the day India gave Visa and also the day India denied it.


Now whatever will happen will happen behind the curtain. Support is shown!
 

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. Second, Isa bloke travels to EU countries and US, uninhibited inspite of so called Chinese "red corner notice".
Now thats interesting.
I am wondering what did Doval's visit to China achieve?
 

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Now thats interesting.
I am wondering what did Doval's visit to China achieve?
Every informed India is wondering about it. India is a democracy nothing remains hidden, and public opinion matters. Modi has scored a self-goal by being tentative on this issue. But I believe that some sort of understanding has been reached.

China is India's neighbour, and we need to sort out our issues. There is a great likelihood of foreign powers taking advantage of the regional tensions. But at the same time we need to stand firm to protect our national interests.

We must be wary of the "dissenting voices" coming out of west, they serve western interests only, be it Dolkun Isa or somebody else. Neither do these actors care about the local people nor about their struggle.

It is not so easy for India. India certainly doesn't want the foreign powers (NATO/US) to meddle in regional affairs. Today they target China, tomorrow it will be India on their cross-hair.

Not only did the US Navy challenge China in South China Sea, it also challenged India and several other countries.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ion-rights-last-year/articleshow/51988898.cms

Off late India has changed her tone on the issue of South China sea and has advocated solution on the basis of close negotiations between the stakeholders. @amoy
 

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Now thats interesting.
I am wondering what did Doval's visit to China achieve?
That's the biggest problem with this government. They want people to have blind faith in them while they execute their covert plans without taking the public into confidence or even keeping the public abreast of the happenings. The previous government was incompetent and was doing nothing, be that as it may, at least there was 100% transparency because they admitted to doing nothing. The current government and their fanboys want to garner praise for themselves without showing results or even telling people what's going on. The only thing we are expected to do is clap.

Clap as they appoint known Marxists to positions of significance, clap as talks are cancelled, the clap again when talks are restarted due to Ufa, then clap again when talks are cancelled after Pakistan insists on meeting Hurriyat, then clap again when Sushma Swaraj announces comprehensive bilateral dialogue, clap as they allow ISI SIT to visit Pathankot airbase, clap as our students are beaten in NIT and their ministers call it 'mild lathicharge', clap as Gurdaspur is attack with impunity, clap as the US sells Harpoon and F16s to Pakistan, clap as China protects Masood Azhar. See? That's all we ought to do, clap, not think, just clap. Their fanboys will have you believe that everything is happening covertly and you are too stupid and too unwise to grasp the gravity of what's happening. Do you know? everyday Modi wakes up, covertly breaths in oxygen and covertly breaths out carbon-di-oxide, it's significant for national security, clearly us mere mortals don't understand its significance. It's all happening covertly, I bet you didn't even know that!
 
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India is a democracy nothing remains hidden, and public opinion matters.
Actually a lot remains hidden and has remained hidden but the proof of the pudding is in the eating. We don't necessarily want to hear every minute detail about the top secret meetings between the NSAs but the fact that certain entities haven't stopped provoking you is proof in itself that the top secret talks, whatever they might have been, haven't yielded dividends. For example, when Pakistanis were poking us during Rajiv Gandhi's time, he set up a CIT-X and CIT-J to respond bullet for bullet, this frustrated Pakistanis so much that Hamid Gul finally agreed to an unwritten agreement to ramp down their activities in India.

During Vajpayees time, although Op Parakram failed, the message was sent that Indian patience was running thin, so the Bush admin forced Musharraf to agree to remove the terror camps and subsequently India witnessed the most peaceful 4 years we have ever seen.

What's going on now? even a nation like Maldives is provoking us and their transgression goes unchallenged. OIC issued a statement seeking freedom of Kashmir and only gets a mild 'we disagree' as a response from our side. Bangladesh border could have been sealed but BJP wants us to believe that we need to give them a victory in assemble polls for them to begin sealing the border, despite borders being a central govt issue. They better start delivering something, if not tangibles then at least deliver some superficial respite. This constant business of talking with Pakistan despite all their provocation is humiliating. What is the government trying to prove? that they are loyal allies of the US?
 

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Actually a lot remains hidden and has remained hidden but the proof of the pudding is in the eating. We don't necessarily want to hear every minute detail about the top secret meetings between the NSAs but the fact that certain entities haven't stopped provoking you is proof in itself that the top secret talks, whatever they might have been, haven't yielded dividends. For example, when Pakistanis were poking us during Rajiv Gandhi's time, he set up a CIT-X and CIT-J to respond bullet for bullet, this frustrated Pakistanis so much that Hamid Gul finally agreed to an unwritten agreement to ramp down their activities in India.

During Vajpayees time, although Op Parakram failed, the message was sent that Indian patience was running thin, so the Bush admin forced Musharraf to agree to remove the terror camps and subsequently India witnessed the most peaceful 4 years we have ever seen.

What's going on now? even a nation like Maldives is provoking us and their transgression goes unchallenged. OIC issued a statement seeking freedom of Kashmir and only gets a mild 'we disagree' as a response from our side. Bangladesh border could have been sealed but BJP wants us to believe that we need to give them a victory in assemble polls for them to begin sealing the border, despite borders being a central govt issue. They better start delivering something, if not tangibles then at least deliver some superficial respite. This constant business of talking with Pakistan despite all their provocation is humiliating. What is the government trying to prove? that they are loyal allies of the US?
Congress is self suicide for India.... bjp itself is confused and ball less... what you said is absolutely right cant describe more than that about pathetic bjp and scum of the earth congress.

What the bjp chest thumping was making me laugh in disbelief and its annoying.

Bjp policy implementation and stance is like a birdy learning how to fly from tree top....

It lacks self confidence and assertive approach.
 

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