China says South China Sea land reclamation 'justified'

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Obviously Pakistan and Sri Lanka won't surrender to growing IN presence in Indian Ocean. Unable to match her strength in size and numbers both countries are looking towards China and building facilities that will eventually pave way for Chinese naval bases in the region.
First, let Pakistan not surrender to the chaos it is in, and then we will talk.

Even a patient country like China is getting restless with Pakistan's antics and harbouring terrorists against the good China is doing in Pakistan and then exporting them to Uighur land!

Uighur may have legitimate grouse, nbut that does not mean that they go killing innocent people. If they want to show anger, let them take on the Govt, why take on the innocent?

But then are they Uighurs or Pak inspired terrorists?

pave way for Chinese naval bases in the region.
Indeed and the US navy will just slink back to it US bases out of sheer fear!

The jury is out.
 
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First, let Pakistan not surrender to the chaos it is in, and then we will talk.
Pakistanis have always remained united against India in any conflict.
Don't be misguided by political turmoil, you have bigger worries with sinking and colliding ships.
Please don't think India is as stupid as Pakistan.

Why should we go to war against you when you are doing what would be music to Indian ears? Self destruct!



Sensationalism at its best. Indian media loves to write and create dooms day scenarios as people here continue to have wetdreams already about a possible break up between Pakistan and China. :laugh:

In the meantime Chinese investment in Pakistan is all time high and about $50 billion of Chinese money is to be invested before 2018.
O sure.

Real high.

Check today's papers and see what package Xi is bringing India.

Go encourage terrorists to go attacking Hans in Xinjiang.

You sure will be recognised as the real thekedars of Islam.

sorry I overwrote
 
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Pakistanis have always remained united against India in any conflict.
Don't be misguided by political turmoil, you have bigger worries with sinking and colliding ships.



Sensationalism at its best. Indian media loves to write and create dooms day scenarios as people here continue to have wetdreams already about a possible break up between Pakistan and China. :laugh:

In the meantime Chinese investment in Pakistan is all time high and about $50 billion of Chinese money is to be invested before 2018
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Uighur may have legitimate grouse, nbut that does not mean that they go killing innocent people. If they want to show anger, let them take on the Govt, why take on the innocent?

But then are they Uighurs or Pak inspired terrorists?

The jury is out.
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and who will get benefit????? chinis and u will remain jahil and deprived as always
 

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CNOOC reports first deepwater gas discovery in South China Sea - Xinhua | English.news.cn


This photo taken on Aug. 18, 2014 shows a test of the Lingshui 17-2 gas well to produce natural gas on the South China Sea, China. China's largest producer of offshore oil and gas CNOOC said on Sept. 15, 2014 that CNOOC 981, the country's first deepwater drilling rig, has reported its first deepwater gasfield discovery below the South China Sea. The newly-discovered Lingshui 17-2 gasfield is located 150 kilometers south of the Hainan Island. Its average operational depth was 1,500 meters below the sea surface, the company said in a statement. (Xinhua)

BEIJING, Sept. 15 (Xinhua) -- China's largest producer of offshore oil and gas CNOOC said Monday that CNOOC 981, the country's first deepwater drilling rig, has made its first deepwater gasfield discovery in the South China Sea.

The Lingshui 17-2 gasfield, some 150 kilometers south of Hainan Island, is in the east Lingshui Sag of the Qiongdongnan Basin, the company said in a statement.

It is an ultradeepwater gasfield at an average operational water depth of 1,500 meters.

The definition of deepwater varies as technology develops. Currently, deepwater refers to anything below 500 meters, while depths over 1,500 meters are termed ultradeepwater.

Xie Yuhong, a manager with CNOOC, said the well would produce 56.5 million cubic feet of gas per day, equivalent to about 9,400 barrels of liquid oil per day, the highest daily flow of all CNOOC's gas wells during testing.

The discovery needs to be confirmed by the resources reserve authority and, until then, the exact exploitable reserves cannot be reported.

According to Xie, the gasfield could be very large, given test results so far. A large gasfield generally means at least 30 billion cubic meters.

Wang Yilin, CNOOC chairman, said discovery of the field opened the door to deepwater oil and gas resources in the South China Sea and the huge exploration potential of deepwater areas there.

Lingshui 17-2 is the first significant deepwater discovery by semi-submersible rig CNOOC 981, which has been operating in the South China Sea since May, 2012. The rig cost 6 billion yuan (975 million U.S. dollars) and took more than three years to build. With a deck the size of a standard football field, the rig can operate at a depth of 3,000 meters and can drill as deep as 12,000 meters.

China is the world's biggest energy consumer and heavily dependent on imported oil and natural gas with 58 percent and 31.6 percent respectively imported in 2013.

In desperate need of fuel, China has been working hard to find new sources at home.


This photo taken on March 7, 2012 shows workers working at the deepwater drilling rig 981 on the South China Sea, China. China's largest producer of offshore oil and gas CNOOC said on Sept. 15, 2014 that CNOOC 981, the country's first deepwater drilling rig, has reported its first deepwater gasfield discovery below the South China Sea. The newly-discovered Lingshui 17-2 gasfield is located 150 kilometers south of the Hainan Island. Its average operational depth was 1,500 meters below the sea surface, the company said in a statement. (Xinhua)

Chinese Diego Garcia in progress
 

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The pictures are a really good and impressive. Also perhaps PRC engineering skills and speed is showcased to a audience (business minds).

But what is the real fuss about: I mean what would a judge (arbitrator) consider: what would Philippines say: what would reasonable person say:

It's also possible that building the "islands" is an end unto itself. Under the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea, submerged features (such as shoals) cannot be claimed by any party. The Philippines' request for arbitration on the South China Sea disputes is in part based on this fact; Manila requested clarification as to whether or not China (or any other state) can claim submerged or partially-submerged features under UNCLOS.

In addition, Part VII of UNCLOS specifies that "Rocks which cannot sustain human habitation or economic life of their own shall have no exclusive economic zone or continental shelf." Under this provision, even if China were to gain control over the Spratlys, its control would be limited to the 12 nautical mile territorial waters, without an accompanying exclusive economic zone.

If, however, China can create "islands" on top of previously submerged features and create conditions for these new islands to "sustain human habitation," then China would have strongly bolstered its claims to the South China Sea. This is exactly what the Philippines objects to. In an interview for the BBC report, Department of Foreign Affairs spokesman Charles Jose called China's claims in the South China Sea "outrageous," "excessive," and "without basis under international law." He also accused China of trying to change the status quo to strengthen its claims before the arbitration court hands down its ruling on the Philippines' case.
Why Is China Building Islands in the South China Sea? | The Diplomat

Is there a arbitration case ...
Is PRC participating . Any representation by PRC.

Perhaps that's why many countries are not appreciating PRC behaviour, but hats off to PRC its combativeness has discovered a grey area where they are maximising its use.
 

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Reply As above.

No issue of Indian hegemony since there is no issue of occupying any island or territory.

So, what the worry about?
So then China has the authority to annex Arunachal province and Pakistan can annex Kasmir. No issue will be there. AFAIK Sinhalese are native to Sri Lanka hence India won't have any authority to Sri Lanka.
 

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So then China has the authority to annex Arunachal province and Pakistan can annex Kasmir. No issue will be there. AFAIK Sinhalese are native to Sri Lanka hence India won't have any authority to Sri Lanka.
Sinhalese are people from Orissa who migrated to Srilanka. Tamils inhibited these lands thousands of years ago.

Arunachal is a part between Tibet and India, when the treaty is signed Tibetans agreed to the boundary line , later Tibet was illegally occupied by Chinese.

Kashmir is never ruled by Pakistan it is a dharmic land inhibited by Hindus and Buddhists thousands of years ago.

Maharaja of Kashnir agreed to join India and has signed an agreement, it is the stupidity of Nehru who went to UN.
 

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Sinhalese are people from Orissa who migrated to Srilanka. Tamils inhibited these lands thousands of years ago.
Oh really? Are there any ethnic Sinhalese in India or in Orissa? Are there any archaeological or any other evidence for support Sinhalese came from India?

I bet you only source is Mahavansa. Even it says that Prince Vijeya came from India not Sinhalese. However according to Mahavansa prince Vijeya is the founder of Sinhalese race. That does not make Sinhalese an Indian tribe.
 

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Oh really? Are there any ethnic Sinhalese in India or in Orissa? Are there any archaeological or any other evidence for support Sinhalese came from India?

I bet you only source is Mahavansa. Even it says that Prince Vijeya came from India not Sinhalese. However according to Mahavansa prince Vijeya is the founder of Sinhalese race. That does not make Sinhalese an Indian tribe.
There is a language connection that indicates that your tribe came from Orissa and Bengal region


Lankan envoy’s Sinhala remarks trigger a storm - Indian Express
 

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A valid observation.

The difference is that they were in occupation during the imperialist days, when the rule was decided by the imperialists and the colonialist.

The same is applicable to the Chinese occupation of Inner Mongolia and area South of the Yangtse Kiang and Hwang Ho, which are the original homeland of the Han.

The areas China now claims was not in occupation by the Chinese and hence the claim is, in modern days, is termed as aggression and violates of the Law of the Seas.
i'm pretty sure in 19th century, SCS was not occupied by phillippine or vietnam. It was never occupied by anybody, but anyone in the region has historical record on it.
 

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the biggest island under PRC control (Paracels)


the biggest under ROC control ( Spratlys)
 

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i'm pretty sure in 19th century, SCS was not occupied by phillippine or vietnam. It was never occupied by anybody, but anyone in the region has historical record on it.
Maybe what you say could be right.

But then who occupied and stayed?

I presume that country would have a greater claim than others.
 

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Do not take our ambassador seriously. He is just making political speeches to win hearts. BTW language connection if there is a one doesn't make us Sinhalese; Indian origin. If so American should also be British. Or Irish.

Sinhalese originated in Sri Lanka not in India.
The Ambassador is speaking the truth. There is evidence that Sinhalese language had not changed since early times and no preachers had went there for language spread.
 

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The Ambassador is speaking the truth. There is evidence that Sinhalese language had not changed since early times and no preachers had went there for language spread.
Well give me examples for Sinhalese language speakers in India? Where is the evidence?
 

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Do not take our ambassador seriously. He is just making political speeches to win hearts. BTW language connection if there is a one doesn't make us Sinhalese; Indian origin. If so American should also be British. Or Irish.

Sinhalese originated in Sri Lanka not in India.
If the Sri Lankan Ambassador is not to be taken seriously, then are we to presume that he is a freelance pendulum swing from Ceylon?

So Sri Lankan diplomats are persons of no worth whose tongue lolls out making worthless political speeches?
 

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China advances with Johnson South Reef construction - IHS Jane's 360 :thumb:

Satellite imagery dated 14 August 2014 shows ongoing construction and development of the new island on Johnson South Reef in the Spratly Islands. (PLEIADES © CNES 2014, Distribution Airbus DS / Spot Image S.A. / IHS)

Satellite imagery provided by Airbus Defence and Space illustrates substantial and significant progress in China's construction of an island on Johnson South Reef in the Spratly Islands.

Until early 2014 the only manmade feature at the reef was a small concrete platform that housed a communications facility, garrison building, and pier. This platform has now been surrounded by an island that is approximately 400 m across at its widest points and has an area of about 100,000 m 2 .

Workers have built a reinforced seawall around the whole island. There are also two roll-on/roll-off (ro-ro) docks and a pier on the northwest side. Foundations for what could be a large building can be seen on the southwestern side, while other elements include desalination pumps, a concrete plant, and a fuel dump.

Johnson South Reef is not the only Chinese construction site in the Spratly Islands. Images dated 13 September and released by Chinese state media show similar construction on Huayang Reef, known internationally as Cuateron Reef. The images of Cuateron Reef, which is part of the London Reefs group and on the southwest side of the Spratlys, show desalination plants, cranes, and drills, along with piles of construction materials.

AISLive ship tracking data reported by IHS Jane's in June 2014 showed Ting Jing Hao , a dredger responsible for most of China's land reclamation in the Spratlys, had visited Cuateron Reef three times since September 2013, most recently 10 April to 22 May 2014.

Ting Jing Hao was responsible for the lion's share of dredging at Johnson South Reef and has also visited Gaven Reefs, which is in the centre of the Spratly Islands and close to Itu Aba (Taiping Island). Itu Aba is occupied by Taiwan.

Images released by the Philippine government in August also showed substantial reclamation by China at Kennan (Chigua) Reef: one of the Union Reefs and surrounded by other reefs occupied by Vietnam.

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In all the cases outlined above, China is building islands around concrete platforms that it constructed on the reefs during the 1980s and 1990s. As previously reported, China's extensive programme of land reclamation in the Spratlys ignores the 2002 Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea, a non-binding statement that committed the disputing countries to avoid escalating the situation by construction or militarisation of the features they occupy.

As also previously reported, China is not the only country to ignore this declaration: Vietnam and Taiwan have both extended and upgraded facilities on their respective islands. However, Beijing's activities in the Spratlys in the past 12 months are a major challenge to the status quo as they create land masses that are capable of supporting garrisons in areas very close to the other countries' occupied territories.

The history of conflict in the South China Sea suggests that such bases could be used as jumping-off points for assaults on these nearby features, although so far China has preferred to emphasise its claims in the region by using paramilitary maritime vessels and blockades.


China expands runway, harbour at Woody Island - IHS Jane's 360 :thumb:

Airbus Defence and Space imagery shows land reclamation, harbour modifications and other ongoing construction at Yongxing Dao, also known as Woody Island: part of the Paracel Islands in the South China Sea. (CNES 2014, Distribution Airbus DS/Spot Image/IHS)


China continues to expand Woody Island, the largest of the Paracel Islands in the South China Sea.

Satellite imagery shows that since October 2013 China has undertaken substantial land reclamation, harbour redevelopment and other infrastructure construction on the island, which is known as Yongxing Dao by China and Phu Lam Island by Vietnam.

China has occupied Woody Island since 1956 and, since then, has established a military garrison, coastal defensive positions, the runway, four large aircraft hangars, communications facilities, and a municipal headquarters. Vietnam claims the Paracels, as does Taiwan.

Previous satellite imagery analysis by IHS Jane's shows that between 2005 and 2011 authorities constructed a new harbour on the west side of the island; since October 2013 a breakwater immediately south of that harbour has been removed and more dredging work has been carried out.

The land reclamation is occurring at two areas in particular: at either end of the island's 2,400 m-long runway, and to fill in the gap between Woody Island and the causeway to Shi Dao (Rocky Island): a small outcrop that is believed to house a secure communications facility.

The dredgers are depositing sand onto an area on the southwest end of the runway; spoil is also being deposited on the runway's northeast end. If all of this new land is used for the runway, then the strip will increase from 2,400 m to 2,700-2,800 m. This increases the safety envelope for PLA Air Force bombers like the H-6 and strategic transport aircraft such as the Ilyushin Il-76.

IHS Maritime has used AISLive data to identify one of the dredgers being used as Xin Hai Tun , a cutter suction dredger built by Guangzhou Wenchong Shipyard and operated by SDC Orient Dredging and Engineering. Other dredgers operating in the area appear to be barges fitted with clamshell dredgers. Alongside are a number of container ships, including one called Xing He Yuan 1 , which is owned by Taizhou Xinghe Shipping Co Ltd. The company's website highlights its expertise in dyke and pier construction.

ANALYSIS
Along with the Spratly Islands, the Paracels are at the heart of the continuing South China Sea (SCS) dispute. Whereas the Spratlys' location in the southern part of the SCS has previously limited Chinese activities there, the Paracels' proximity to Hainan island has meant Beijing has been able to expand its jurisdiction and administration of them. Woody Island has been a particular focus and, in July 2012, was designated the capital of Sansha Prefecture, which is part of Hainan province.

The moves to extend the runway and rebuild the harbour on the west side of the island will enhance Woody Island's utility as a military base from which to project power in the SCS. The Paracels' strategic location close to the centre of the SCS also means China can use them as a base for constabulary operations, whether that is enforcing fishing regulations unilaterally imposed by Beijing or to potentially interdict shipping traversing the region, where Beijing move to do this as part of a wider sea control strategy.

In the short to medium term, it is unlikely that China would move to do so, as the sea lanes in this part of the SCS serve its ports - such as Hong Kong and Shanghai - and as such freedom of passage is in China's interest.
 

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Taiwan makes progress on Taiping Island harbour - IHS Jane's 360

James Hardy, London and Sean O'Connor, Indiana - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
12 October 2014

Airbus Defence and Space imagery shows Taiwan-occupied Taiping Island in the South China Sea. Evidence of harbour construction is visible. (© CNES (2014), Distribution Airbus DS / Spot Image S.A. / IHS)

Taiwan is making progress on its construction of a harbour on Taiping Island in the Spratly Islands, according to satellite imagery provided by Airbus Defence and Space and analysed by IHS Jane's .

The 6 August imagery shows land reclamation on the southwest tip of the island, which is also known as Itu Aba.

Airbus Defence and Space satellite imagery dated 10 March and 18 April showed the building of a breakwater off the island's southwest corner that may be one element of the wharf. Since April the section behind the breakwater has been backfilled to create new land. At least four cranes are present on the new land, along with other construction vehicles.

A new breakwater has also been created and a channel dredged to the east of the new land. The 6 August imagery shows two roll-on/roll-off transport barges and at least one other vessel alongside in the channel. A blue-roofed support structure has also been built inland next to solar panels that were installed in 2012.

Taiwan's Coast Guard Administration (CGA) carried out a feasibility study for the construction of a wharf capable of handling 2,000-tonne frigates in 2013. The government has set aside USD110.24 million for the project, which is expected to be completed in 2015.

Taiping Island also has a 1,150 m-long and 30 m-wide runway, which was completed in early 2008. The CGA announced in 2013 that the Ministry of National Defence was considering expanding the runway, but no information has been released since then and satellite imagery shows no construction under way.

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Taiwan's renewed interest in Taiping is in line with other countries that occupy features in the Spratly islands; all appear to be reinforcing their claims to the disputed islands by establishing larger footprints on the territories they hold.

In April the Republic of China Marine Corps conducted an amphibious landing drill on Taiping: its largest maritime drill in the Spratlys to date. Members of the Legislative Committee on Foreign Affairs and National Defense also recently called on the Ministry of National Defence (MND) to deploy the MIM-72J Sea Chaparral surface-to-air missiles (SAM) that it is withdrawing from naval service to replace existing SAM batteries on Taiping.

However, the MND has said it has not decided what to do with the Chaparral missiles.

The developments on Taiping also come as Taiwan's president has clarified the island's interpretation of the famous 9-dash-line, which first appeared on a Republic of China (RoC) map in 1947 and encompasses nearly the whole of the South China Sea.

It is also the basis of China's claims, but Beijing has refused to clarify whether the dashed line is a territorial boundary, a claim to all land features inside it, or merely a sphere of influence.

However, at a recent exhibition in Taipei of some of the archives that RoC leader Chiang Kai-shek and the Kuomintang (KMT) took to Taiwan when they fled to the island in 1949, President Ma Ying-jeou said that the 1947 map and claim was limited to islands and 3 to 12 n miles of their adjacent waters. There were "no other so-called claims to sea regions", he said.
 

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