China protests PM's visit to Arunachal, India says its an integral part.

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When India media was making the intrusions by China their headlines, GOI tried their best to down play it. Even some members of DFI was of the view that media is doing all this for TRP. Now the statement and the wording of Chinese foreign spoke person are not the work of Indian Media. Let’s see how India is reacting in next couple of months. As of now S.M. Krisha is becoming another Shivraj Patil. The only difference, he is the foreign Minister.
 

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I think its time to use the "Reject" option available to the Foreign office when a country sends a protest note.


ppj,

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no doubt. but what perplexes me is that- with all that bravado PM exhibits, he does not have the guts to visit tawang. what stops him? are we so scared of china that bars us from visiting our own territory? it is a mystery to me.
Bravado does not tell the PM to visit every disputed area in the country.
He's a Prime Minister, he has other things to do than undertake symbolic trips to highlight bravado.
 

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NSG, India has already Responded through the Foreign Ministry. There is nothing much to be seen through such stunts by China. By making such noises, they are just proving how voiceless they are becoming. GOI is doing the necessary things to counter Chinese and thats whats making the Chinese sit up and notice. If we were Lax, they would just keep quiet, its just that we are reciprocating with a similar aggresive attitude thats getting to them. Light tanks, Su30s, etc are all a part of this!
 

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Ahmedji, What I am concerned is the wording of Chinese Foreign spoke person. He said and I quote” China is strongly dissatisfied with Indian PM’s visit to AP”. The statement also said “This incident may create disturbances in the disputed area.” These kinds of words are generally not used in diplomacy.

I heard S.M. Krishna saying on TV that AP is an integral part of India and china knew it. Why GOI is not asking China to mind its own business? China cannot dictate where our PM moves within India. But we are again proving that we are a soft state. Neither we are good at taking nor action. So lets wait and watch.
 

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The b*%& #$ can protest all they like:


Arunachal Pradesh is our inalienable part: India tells China

New Delhi, October 13, 2009

First Published: 16:39 IST(13/10/2009)
Last Updated: 16:49 IST(13/10/2009)


India today reacted strongly to Chinese objection to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's visit to Arunachal Pradesh, saying the comments were disappointing as the state is an inalienable part of the country and such remarks do "not help" the process of talks on boundary issue.

India said it is committed to ensure that outstanding differences are not allowed to affect the positive development of bilateral relations and hopes that China would "similarly abide by this understanding."

The Indian reaction came as Chinese Ambassador Zhang Yan met Vijay Gokhale, Joint Secretary (East Asia) in the Ministry of External Affairs, for a "scheduled meeting" during which the sentiments of India were conveyed to him verbally.

"Regardless of what others have to say, it is Government of India's stated position that Arunachal Pradesh is an integral part of India, period," External Affairs Minister S M Krishna told reporters here, responding to China's objection to Singh's visit to the state 10 days back for an election rally.

China's comments significantly came on a day when the state went to polls to elect new Assembly.

Rejecting Chinese objections, External Affairs Ministry spokesman Vishnu Prakash said it was an established practice in India that leaders visit states where elections are held.

"We, therefore, express our disappointment and concern over the statement made by the Official Spokesman of the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs," Prakash said.


Arunachal Pradesh is our inalienable part: India tells China- Hindustan Times
 

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China's comments on PM visit do not help talks process: India

New Delhi, Oct 13 (PTI) India today reacted strongly to Chinese objection to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's visit to Arunachal Pradesh, saying the comments were disappointing as the state is an inalienable part of the country and such remarks do "not help" the process of talks on boundary issue.
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India snubs China over Arunachal remark

New Delhi summoned Chinese envoy Zhang Yang to South Block and expressed its strong displeasure over Beijing's statement.

External affairs ministry officials told Yang in no uncertain terms that Arunachal was an integral part of India and China had no business to protest against Singh's visit to the state.

India snubs China over Arunachal remark: India Today - Latest Breaking News from India, World, Business, Cricket, Sports, Bollywood.
 

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I quail and shiver at China's protest!

Such a great country!

So formidable and so destructive!

Man, let us all kowtow to this evil!
 

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Arunachal Pradesh is a name that exists after 1987. What was it named in India before?
 

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Arunachal Pradesh is a name that exists after 1987. What was it named in India before?

Irrelevant to the purpose of this discussion. The McMahon Line was negotiated between the Government of British India and Tibet in 1913-14, at a time when China had no sovereignty over Tibet. Infact, representatives from China had also participated in the conference, had furthermore agreed to the border between British India and 'Outer Tibet', however were at crossroads on the border between 'Outer Tibet' and 'Inner Tibet'. Since then, China has made two supererogatory claims: 1) that since it possesses jurisdiction over Tibet, the line negotiated in 1913-14 was invalid without Chinese agreement, which is a false claim since it is certainly evident that China had no jurisdiction over Tibet in 1913, and that international accords cannot be reneged upon retroactively - especially when negotiated between two sovereign states; furthermore that since China claims Arunaachal Pradesh as part of 'South Tibet' - and 'on behalf of the Tibetan people', that claim is rendered even more invidious by the fact that Tibet is itself an occupied state, and that the almost universally revered spiritual leaders of Tibet have denounced, objurgated and scorned that claim as being representative purely of Beijing's interests; 2) that the entire state of A'naachal Pradesh is in dispute - which is fallacious because it is in direct contravention of both: 1) the historical objections of the Chinese on the line between 'Outer Tibet and Inner Tibet' as the reason for, and their non-objection to the divisive line between British India and Tibet, constituting the cause for failure of the Simla conference; and b) an international agreeement signed by the Chinese with the Government of India in 2005 to recognize all 'settled areas' as immovable territory: an interesting ploy on the part of the Government of India because virtually all areas, except for the frontier regions, have subsequently been 'settled'. Since 1990, Arun'aachal Pradesh's GDP has more than quintupled- keeping in line with the trend in the rest of India. Suffice it to say it ain't goin' nowhere.
 

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India objects to Chinese activities in PoK

This is a good answer to chinese diplomacy.......

NEW DELHI: A day after India and China sparred over the ownership status of Arunachal Pradesh, India on Wednesday said that China must cease
activities in Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK).
Hitting back at China, India took objection to its engagement in projects in Pakistan occupied Kashmir and asked it to cease such activities taking "long-term view" of India-China relations.

In a response to a question on Pakistan- China projects in Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK), external affairs ministry spokesman Vishnu Prakash said in a statement, "We have seen the Xinhua report quoting the President of China Hu Jintao as stating that China will continue to engage in projects with Pakistan inside Pakistan occupied Kashmir."

"Pakistan has been in illegal occupation of parts of the Indian State of Jammu & Kashmir since 1947. The Chinese side is fully aware of India's position and our concerns about Chinese activities in Pakistan occupied Kashmir."

"We hope that the Chinese side will take a long term view of the India-China relations, and cease such activities in areas illegally occupied by Pakistan."

The Chinese president, during a meeting with Pakistan Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani on Tuesday, outlined a major project to upgrade the Karakoram highway connecting the two countries overland and Chinese help in the Neelam-Jhelum hydroelectric project in PoK.

"Howsoever, the international situation may change. The people of China and Pakistan are always joined in hearts and hands," Hu had said.

On Tuesday, The Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) reiterated that the State of Arunachal Pradesh is an integral and inalienable part of India.

The statement was issued by a spokesman of the ministry shortly after China expressed "strong" dissatisfaction over Prime Minister Manmohan Singh''s recent visit to Arunachal Pradesh for electioneering.

"The state of Arunachal Pradesh is an integral and inalienable part of India. The people of Arunachal Pradesh are citizens of India. They are proud participants in the mainstream of India''s vibrant democracy. The Chinese side is well aware of this position of the Government of India," said the official spokesperson.

"It is well established practice in our democratic system that our leaders visit States where elections to Parliament and to the State Assemblies are taking place. The Government of India is deeply committed to ensuring the welfare of its own citizens across the length and breadth of our country," the official spokesperson added.

Expressing disappointment over the statement made by the official spokesman of the Chinese ministry of foreign affairs, the government spokesperson said: "India and China have jointly agreed that the outstanding boundary question will be discussed by the special representatives appointed by the two governments. We, therefore, express our disappointment and concern over the statement made by the official spokesman of the Chinese ministry of foreign affairs, since this does not help the process of ongoing negotiations between the two governments on the boundary question."

"India is committed to resolving outstanding differences with China in a fair, reasonable and mutually acceptable manner, while ensuring that such differences are not allowed to affect the positive development of bilateral relations. We hope that the Chinese side will similarly abide by this understanding," the official spokesperson added.

On the same day, China's Ambassador to India Zhang Yang met officials of the Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) shortly after his government expressed "strong" dissatisfaction over Prime Minister Manmohan Singh''s visit to Arunachal Pradesh earlier this month.

Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Ma Zhaoxu had said: "We demand the Indian side address China''s serious concerns and not trigger disturbance in the disputed region so as to facilitate the healthy development of China-India relations."

"China is strongly dissatisfied with the visit to the disputed region by the Indian leader disregarding China''s serious concerns," Mas added in a statement posted on the ministry''s website.

He noted that China and India had "never officially settled" demarcation of their border, and China';s stance on the eastern section of the China-India border was "consistent and clear-cut".

The Indian government has all along indicated that Arunachal Pradesh is an integral part of India and that the people of that state have a democratic right to elect a government of their choice.

Singh had toured and addressed an election rally in Arunachal Pradesh on October 3.

Recently, China had blocked a part of a loan to India from the Asian Development Bank (ADB) for developmental projects in Arunachal Pradesh. China also protested a visit to the state last month by exiled Tibetan leader the Dalai Lama.

India says China is illegally occupying 43,180 sq kms of Jammu and Kashmir. On the other hand, China accuses India of possessing some 90,000 sq km of Chinese territory, mostly in Arunachal Pradesh.

Singh had earlier visited Arunachal Pradesh on January 31 and February 1 and had then referred to it as "Our land of the rising sun" at a public rally, which was objected to by China.

China apparently saw it as India''s assertion of its claim on Arunachal, which it claims is a "disputed territory".

:ucant cme:

India objects to Chinese activities in PoK - India - The Times of India
 

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Only if debating exists,to some extent china's target is successful that Arunachal Pradesh is disputed to the world. Of course, if india's action is too excessive .................later,it only gives some clue to the world.
 

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We don't fear the Chinese military: IAF

Slamming China for objecting to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's [ Images ] visit to Arunachal Pradesh, the Indian Air Force on Monday said it does not 'fear' the Chinese military and that the neighbour should not have any problem with it upgrading airstrips in the North-East.
IAF vice chief Air Marshal P K Barbora said when India does not object to China's military activities in Tibet [ Images ], the latter too 'should have nothing' against Indians developing their military capabilities in the North-East.

"Early this year, President Pratibha Patil [ Images ], who is the Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces, visited Arunachal Pradesh. China had no objections then. Why should they protest when the Prime Minister visits the frontier state now?" Barbora told mediaperons in New Delhi [ Images ].

He said Chinese reactions to the Prime Minister's visit to the border state should be 'read between the lines,' as democratic elections were taking place in the state.

"IAF does not fear. We (India) have not said anything against their military activities in Tibet. They (China) should have nothing when we build defence capabilities in our areas (in the North-East)," he said.

The IAF vice chief was replying to questions if the Air Force feared adverse Chinese reaction to it upgrading six Advanced Landing Grounds in Arunachal Pradesh for operating heavier transport aircraft.

Pointing out that China claims Arunachal Pradesh to be a disputed territory but India does not accept it, Barbora said the IAF mandate was to improve the ALGs, helipads and also the IAF air bases in the border state.

The plan to improve Air Force infrastructure in the states bordering China was taken by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh after the IAF reopened the Daulat Beg Oldi landing strip in Ladakh region last year.

"We are upgrading airbases and reopening airstrips in South India too, which traditionally has had lesser number of Air Force infrastructure for long," he added.

"IAF responsibility is also to ferry civilians in inaccessible areas of Ladakh and Arunachal Pradesh and tourists visiting those areas, apart from transporting army troops and paramilitary personnel for deployment," he said.

He also said that the IAF was acquiring more 'Akash' medium range surface-to-air missile squadrons for deployment in the North-East, apart from the Sukhois it would base at Tezpur and other air bases there.

"We have two squadrons of Akash at present. We are asking for more squadrons for the North-East to upgrade our air defence capabilities. It is a good missile and we have also asked for some improvements in it," Barbora said.

However, he clarified, IAF's infrastructure and capabilities plan was not adversary-specific, but capability-specific.


We don't fear the Chinese military: IAF: Rediff.com news
 

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NSG, India has already Responded through the Foreign Ministry. There is nothing much to be seen through such stunts by China. By making such noises, they are just proving how voiceless they are becoming. GOI is doing the necessary things to counter Chinese and thats whats making the Chinese sit up and notice. If we were Lax, they would just keep quiet, its just that we are reciprocating with a similar aggresive attitude thats getting to them. Light tanks, Su30s, etc are all a part of this!
Mr. Ahmed, the aggression isn't sufficient and as certain people pointed out, is clearly not affecting the Chinese. Diplomats don't actually use words like "strongly dissatisfied". The more appropriate term in diplomatic languages (from what I have heard) is "concerned regarding".

As from my observation, considering that the Chinese won't attack India "being fearful of endangering their economic growth" is a myth. Chinese economy has reached a saturation point from where it will only need a literal disintegration of China to make it collapse similar to the USSR. A small, swift and aggressive conflict won't stop their economy or Indian and Chinese businessmen from making money. This is often the kind of assurance we tend to give ourselves.

Our government is taking steps and there is no denial of it. However the steps are not enough and this is clearly showing. India is not Sudan or Mozambique that it can be bullied. However, Chinese military is successful in doing that by having the nerve to infiltrate Indian territory at will. Have you even thought what would be PLA's response if the we do something similar near the Tibetian borders? PLA would immediately surround our troops escort them back or even shoot them on the spot and the Indian side would only protest, just as they had protested Bangladesh Border security forces when the latter killed 12 BSF soldiers in a small clash, rather than using full force on the aggressive enemy.

I don't consider surgical strikes as a response to PLA's incursions however once they are within Indian territories, they should be swiftly and aggressively dealt with even if this indicates another Chola incident. Why are we so fearful of our economic relations with them when they can do the same? I might have to accept the fact that our side of eastern border isn't as developed as the Chinese side, however it requires will and dedication to counter an intruding enemy more than these material things. And I assure you that our boys are capable of handling anything provided they are given reasonable autonomy to do so.
 

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Only if debating exists,to some extent china's target is successful that Arunachal Pradesh is disputed to the world. Of course, if india's action is too excessive .................later,it only gives some clue to the world.
There is nothing to debate about arunachal pradesh. The recent election clearly shows(72% polling votes)the people in the state of AP is on the side of indian constitution.:dfi-1:

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India tells China to stop doing business in PoK
Good start. I am looking for the day when we object to China's occupation of Tibet :evil:
 

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a slightly older article.

Indian Prime Minister Buckles
Under China�s Sensitivities on Tawang

by Dr. Subhash Kapila

Indian Prime Minister Buckles Under China?s Sensitivities on Tawang by Dr. Subhash Kapila

Arunachal Pradesh is an integral part of India on its North-Eastern periphery bordering China, Bhutan and Myanmar and is therefore a strategically significant State in India�s strategic calculus. China disputes the Sino-Indian border that runs along the Himalayan Range extending from Bhutan to Myanmar. China went a step further in 2006 when the Chinese Ambassador to India on the eve of the visit of the Chinese President to India claimed the whole of Arunachal Pradesh as part of China.


Map of Arunachal Pradesh: Not to Scale

Chinese literature on the Sino-Indian border dispute is reported to be repetitive on China�s claim to Arunachal Pradesh. In fact the non-settlement of the border dispute with India by China is said to be heavily determined by China�s claims on this vital North-Eastern State of India. In particular and more specifically China is obdurate that Tawang which is the most prominent town in this State and seat of the famous Buddhist Monastery would have to be returned to China in any future compromise on the border issue by China and India. Besides the spiritual significance of Tawang to Buddhists of India, Bhutan and Tibet, the strategic significance of Tawang lies in its providing the shortest military route to the Assam plains of India. Further Tawang guards the Eastern flank of Bhutan

Historically, the flight of the Dalai Lama in 1959 to India to escape Chinese persecution was through the Tawang route. In the 1962 Sino-Indian War the Tawang Sector was the main area of military invasion by China. All these combination of facts highlight the significance of Tawang and its spiritual and strategic significance to India besides sending elected representatives to the Indian Parliament.

The visit of the Indian Prime Minister, Dr Manmohan Singh this week soon after his visit to China was a welcome step to re-emphasise India�s sovereignty over Arunachal Pradesh.. Coming after a gap of nine years since Arunachal Pradesh was last visited by an Indian Prime Minister it highlighted that Arunachal Pradesh was not a backyard of India politically and strategically and that its economic development needed to be put on a fast track.

Regrettably, the political and strategic lustre of the Indian Prime Minister�s visit to Arunachal Pradesh has been lost by his omission to include a visit to Tawang whose significance stands pointed out above .A visit to Kibithoo lying seven miles from the Chinese border does not compensate the Indian Prime Minister not including Tawang as part of his Arunachal Pradesh visit program. In fact the Indian Prime Minister need not have visited any place in Arunachal Pradesh but Tawang, so heavily it is invested with political, spiritual and strategic significance.

The Indian Prime Minister by avoiding to visit Tawang has sent disturbing signals which have a bearing on India�s security. In relation to the Sino-Indian border dispute context by not visiting Tawang the Indian Prime Minister may have provided China with wrong signals that India may be amenable to submit to China�s territorial claims over Tawang. It would distort India�s stated stands in the border dispute negotiations that Tawang and Arunachal Pradesh are non-negotiable.

In the more broader context of India�s external affairs attitudes it displays that India is unable to stand upto China in the regional context leave alone the global context. How can India then manifest its ambitions to be a lead player in global affairs?

Politically, in the context of India�s domestic political dynamics, the Indian Prime Minister has sent disturbing signals to the Indian public that once again a Congress Party Prime Minister in the Nehruvian mould has buckled to China�s strategic dictates on the Sino-Indian border dispute. It once again sends wrong signals that India�s political leadership continues to be feeble-hearted and strategically naive and that India is therefore susceptible to external pressures.

The Indian Prime Minister�s advisers on national security affairs and I do not think this includes any uniformed gentlemen have horribly gone wrong on advising him not to include Tawang in his program to visit to Arunachal Pradesh.

Tawang and Arunachal Pradesh like the rest of Indian territory under illegal Chinese occupation is non-negotiable and cannot be bartered away by any Prime Minister of any political dispensation. The Indian public would not accept any symbolic dilution of this fact.

So as to not to let the strategic misperceptions linger both in the domestic political context and to send strong messages in the foreign policy context a quick visit by the Indian Prime Minister to Tawang in the near future is a strategic imperative.

February 3, 2008
 

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