China preventing UN action on Libya

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what a naive self-given angel! you are just another Kickok in the forum....guy, you are on the earth.......In international politics, only Jungle principle can work and there is no room for morality highland...
That is not the answer. China has everything to do with Libya that's why he is blocking any UN sanction for No-fly zone for Libya. If China has nothing to do with Libya then why he has blocked all news from Libya on media? Why china has blocked search for all such topics including search for Libya and its revolution? Because china fears from this revolution and afraid that this may spark another strong revolution in China.

China is completely selfish now but has forgotten that everyone is dependent on each other. Britain had done the same while Hitler invaded Czechoslovakia and seen the outcome for that. So ignorance is the first step for destruction.

You are completely rejecting the importance of morality but forgot the simple rule that is an army fight harder on its moral base. If moral has nothing to do and only powerful can do everything then why US faced Vietnam and China is facing Taiwan? Its normal tendency that when someone beat a women everyone see because they tolerate but when they don't do anything when that women is getting beaten too brutally then such people don't have balls.

You are not completely selfish man but afraid from these revolution which can spark an civil war in china.
 

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Agree to the reasoning but are they as capable and efficient in doing it as the US?
Perhaps if China joined it would've made a difference. It isn't a secret that they have interests vested in Libya.
Good point Virendra.

If I may add:
UK: Won't budge without its big brother US. Wherever US goes, UK follows like a bleating lamb.
France: Better be capable. It displayed much haste in recognising the rebels and is UNSC permanent member.
Germany: No obligation. They are not in UNSC. They didn't jump their guns since their outpourings of sympathy for the Albanian squatters and the KLA in the Serbian province of Kosovo.
Russia and PRC: God knows what levers they are pushing behind the scenes.
USA: Too stretched to stretch any further right now. Economy is not in good shape. Will look like the bad guys if they intervene in Libya.
 

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The U.S. wants no part of the mess in Libya. The people want democracy and they must fight and unfortunately die to get it. Most country's want us to take the lead and set up the no-fly zone. Let other country's take the lead and conduct the no-fly zone. If we use our military in Libya we will look like the bad guys. Let France and Germany do the dirty work for once.
Power comes with responsibility and big power comes with big responsibility. Being a leader in world US has many responsibilities which nobody can do, NOT even China or India in the region. Gaddafi is an alive snake which can use his fang for anybody but he must be controlled otherwise it will cost whole world. Better to take decision quicker and use UN peace forces for no-fly zone instead of US forces.
 

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Agree to the reasoning but are they as capable and efficient in doing it as the US?
Half of the French military infrastructure is based on the Mediterranean so it is easier logistically for France to do it. We only need one tanker stop between France and Libya to keep flights on station as well as having an aircraft carrier we can park off the coast.

Perhaps if China joined it would've made a difference. It isn't a secret that they have interests vested in Libya.
China is certainly not interested in joining, they are trying to keep the murdering Gaddafi in power.
 

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Power comes with responsibility and big power comes with big responsibility. Being a leader in world US has many responsibilities which nobody can do, NOT even China or India in the region. Gaddafi is an alive snake which can use his fang for anybody but he must be controlled otherwise it will cost whole world. Better to take decision quicker and use UN peace forces for no-fly zone instead of US forces.
Before beating the morality drum, let us go back in past, we will find out that west cannot wash it's hands from the mess in Africa and Central Asia. West installed dictators in East and North Africa, pushed in weapons, instigated civil wars. France's call for democracy and freedom sounds quite hypocritical, when it was the same country which used to treat Africans like animals in it's colonies.

There is only one reason USA is not intervening, it has learned from Iraq war that it cannot break even merely by taking control of the oil wells. War has become a loss-making business for the lone "Superpower".
 
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China is certainly not interested in joining, they are trying to keep the murdering Gaddafi in power.
The adjective 'murdering' betrays your bias in favour the anti-Gaddafi faction(s). Just to let you know that they too are armed, and are very much a murdering bunch like the pro-Gaddafi faction. No offense, just keeping this discussion balanced and free from rhetoric.
 

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Half of the French military infrastructure is based on the Mediterranean so it is easier logistically for France to do it. We only need one tanker stop between France and Libya to keep flights on station as well as having an aircraft carrier we can park off the coast.
I see your point and agree with the geographic advantage with France. But a superpower in french shoes would've been a lean mean fast performer. Anyways, it no use whining about the would've been and could've been since Gaddafi has rounded up the rebels in their last held town Benghazi. Curtains would fall soon.

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I see your point and agree with the geographic advantage with France. But a superpower in french shoes would've been a lean mean fast performer. Anyways, it no use whining about the would've been and could've been since Gaddafi has rounded up the rebels in their last held town Benghazi. Curtains would fall soon.

Regards,
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Clearly France is not a super power, it is just one global power. There is a difference, but then US is the only super power and they failed to act at all. The rebels are far from finished as Gaddafi doesn't have the forces to control the whole country. It is already going into guerrilla warfare.
 

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Clearly France is not a super power, it is just one global power. There is a difference, but then US is the only super power and they failed to act at all. The rebels are far from finished as Gaddafi doesn't have the forces to control the whole country. It is already going into guerrilla warfare.
We did not act because the rebels did not want us to get involved in their affairs. They were winning the battle and declined help. Now that the rebels are getting slaughtered by Gaddaffy, now they blame us for not helping them. We are a super power but we cannot get involved in every conflict that comes down the pike. In a few hours there will be a vote in the U.N for a no fly zone. I'm looking to see how China and Russia votes.
 

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We did not act because the rebels did not want us to get involved in their affairs. They were winning the battle and declined help. Now that the rebels are getting slaughtered by Gaddaffy, now they blame us for not helping them. We are a super power but we cannot get involved in every conflict that comes down the pike. In a few hours there will be a vote in the U.N for a no fly zone. I'm looking to see how China and Russia votes.
You did not act because Obama is a peace dove. When the US has a hawkish president you invade countries that don't need it so don't start the "we cannot police the world" argument. The rebels never declined a no-fly zone or weapons, just no ground troops. I am streaming BBC for the vote outcome.
 

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Clearly France is not a super power, it is just one global power. There is a difference, but then US is the only super power and they failed to act at all. The rebels are far from finished as Gaddafi doesn't have the forces to control the whole country. It is already going into guerrilla warfare.
Clearly, china is neither superpower, nor global power. China doesn't have the ability to project power in this area. In the contrast, French and its Europe allies have that power. So, if you want it, just do it. China just won't be part of it.
By the way, China didn't say they will block the proposal. What they said is: we won't support it. There is a big difference between that. And obviously, China has the same attitude as US, Russia, Germany, etc. Why single China out?
 

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You did not act because Obama is a peace dove. When the US has a hawkish president you invade countries that don't need it so don't start the "we cannot police the world" argument. The rebels never declined a no-fly zone or weapons, just no ground troops. I am streaming BBC for the vote outcome.
He's hardly a peace dove...if he was the yanks would have left iraq and afghanistan by now. He's more liberal and sane than most of his predecessors.
 

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Clearly, china is neither superpower, nor global power. China doesn't have the ability to project power in this area. In the contrast, French and its Europe allies have that power. So, if you want it, just do it. China just won't be part of it.
By the way, China didn't say they will block the proposal. What they said is: we won't support it. There is a big difference between that. And obviously, China has the same attitude as US, Russia, Germany, etc. Why single China out?
China was smart enough to sit in the corner for this one and abstain. Now France is going to bomb Gaddafi back to the stone age. It looks like my model will come true...

 
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Now France is going to bomb Gaddafi back to the stone age. It looks like my model will come true...
to be a hawk or a dove depends on what serves their interest best.

how will France benefit from bombing Libya back to the stone age? Lets wait for Monsieur Sarkozy who seems more "hawkish" than Obama this time.
 
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UN has voted for a no-fly zone. So looking back at the topic 'Thread: China preventing UN action on Libya', I can say, no PRC is not preventing or has not prevented any UN action on Libya so far.
 

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Just to remove the confusion, the UN has voted for a no-fly zone. The UN has not voted for any air-strike as of right now.

If Monsieur Sarkozy is planning anything, it will be deemed illegal unless he gets prior approval from the UNSC.
 
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Just to remove the confusion, the UN has voted for a no-fly zone. The UN has not voted for any air-strike as of right now.

If Monsieur Sarkozy is planning anything, it will be deemed illegal unless he gets prior approval from the UNSC.


OIL FUTURES: Oil Surges On UN Authorization Of Libya Air Strike

* MARCH 17, 2011, 7:19 P.M. ET

By David Winning
Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES


SYDNEY (Dow Jones)--Crude-oil futures rose above $103/bbl in Asian trading Friday after the United Nations Security Council authorized military strikes on Libya, and U.S. and European officials said air attacks against Col. Moammar Gadhafi's forces were possible "within hours."

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20110317-717027.html
 

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OIL FUTURES: Oil Surges On UN Authorization Of Libya Air Strike

* MARCH 17, 2011, 7:19 P.M. ET

By David Winning
Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES


SYDNEY (Dow Jones)--Crude-oil futures rose above $103/bbl in Asian trading Friday after the United Nations Security Council authorized military strikes on Libya, and U.S. and European officials said air attacks against Col. Moammar Gadhafi's forces were possible "within hours."

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20110317-717027.html
Thanks for the information. Looks like WSJ updated their report earlier than BBC.

So Gaddafi will be facing air-strikes.

The following is endorsed again:

UN has voted for a no-fly zone. So looking back at the topic 'Thread: China preventing UN action on Libya', I can say, no PRC is not preventing or has not prevented any UN action on Libya so far.
 
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Does France really want to go into this hornet's nest?? With 10% of France's muslim population mostly of North African origin ,and their proximity to North Africa they are dancing on land mines, this can become a problem if rebels are overthrown in the future??
 

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