China prepared to make concessions in Aksai Chin if India gives up Tawang in Arunachal Pradesh

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China's long-time negotiator on the border talks, who retired in 2003, has said that Tawang in Arunachal Pradesh is an "alienable" part of Tibet and that a boundary settlement would not be possible unless India agreed to make concessions in the eastern sector.

But if India did so, China would also make concessions in Aksai Chin, suggested Dai Bingguo, spelling out in detail for the first time his thoughts on a solution.

Dai, who was the Special Representative on the boundary issue for 15 rounds of talks until his retirement in 2013, said that India "held the key" to the settlement and that if it took into account China's concerns in the eastern sector, Beijing would similarly do so in other areas.

India sees China as occupying 38,000 sq km of its territory in Aksai Chin, while China claims 90,000 sq km in Arunachal Pradesh.

Dai, who recently penned his memoirs, told the Beijing-based China-India Dialogue magazine, published by the official China International Publishing Group, in an interview: "The disputed territory in the eastern sector of the China-India boundary, including Tawang, is alienable from China's Tibet in terms of cultural background and administrative jurisdiction."

He said it was not until February 1951 that "the local government of Tibet [was] forced to stop its actual administration of Tawang". "Even the British colonialists who drew the illegal 'McMahon Line' respected China's jurisdiction over Tawang," he said.

Dai added: "The major reason the boundary question persists is that China's reasonable requests [in the east] have not been met".

"If the Indian side takes care of China's concerns in the eastern sector of their border," he said, "the Chinese side will respond accordingly and address India's concerns elsewhere."

Despite his emphasis on Tawang, Dai suggested that the 15 rounds of talks he participated in had moved both sides close to "a political settlement". His comments suggest this would involve mutual adjustments or concessions, most likely in Tawang and Aksai Chin.

"China and India are now standing in front of the gate towards a final settlement," he said. "The gate is a framework solution based on meaningful and mutually accepted adjustments. Now, the Indian side holds the key to the gate."

The 19th round of talks was held between National Security Adviser Ajit Doval and State Councillor Yang Jiechi, Dai's successor as SR, in Beijing last April.

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China ready to cede land for part of Arunachal Pradesh?


Soldier guarding the Indian post at Indo - China border area in Bumla, Arunachal Pradesh a 15,500-ft high mountain pass on the Mcmahon Line, at distance of about 47 kms from Tawang. (TOI file photo)
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  • The suggestion of an exchange of land with Tawang being ceded by India came from Dai Bingguo
  • Dai Bingguo headed the special representative dialogue with India for over a decade until his retirement in 2013
  • Dai is still regarded close to Chinese rulers, and his voice is taken seriously in the diplomatic community
BEIJING: An exchange of land, with the politically and strategically sensitiveTawang tract in Arunachal Pradesh being ceded by India, could pave the way for a settlement of the India-China boundary dispute, China's former pointsman for India Dai Bingguo has said.

The suggestion came in an interview given by the former Chinese diplomat and high-ranking communist cadre to a Beijing-based publication. Dai Bingguo headed the special representativedialogue with India for over a decade until his retirement in 2013.
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Though the exchange of Tawang is far from being a simple affair given the presence of the Tawang monastery, which commands a special place in Tibetan Buddhism and is highly regarded by Buddhists in India as well, Dai's remarks are significant as they may not be completely without official sanction.

Dai is still regarded close to Chinese rulers, and his voice is taken seriously in the diplomatic community. He is unlikely to make sensitive comments in an interview unless it has been cleared by top leaders of the Communist Party, sources said.

"The major reason the boundary question persists is that China's reasonable requests have not been met," Dai said in the interview, adding, "If the Indian side takes care of China's concerns on the eastern section of the border, the Chinese side will respond accordingly and address India's concerns elsewhere."

Dai Bingguo has written on similar lines in his book which came out last year. China analyst Shrikant Kondapalli said the Chinese interest in the eastern sector had been elevated since 2005, when both countries signed the Political Parameters and Guiding Principles. China has eyed the Tawang tract, describing it as SouthernTibet, because the 15th century Dalai Lama was born there. Interestingly, China withdrew from that area after the 1962 war with India. Control of Tawang will consolidate China's hold over the centres of TibetanBuddhism.http://m.timesofindia.com/india/chi...of-arunachal-pradesh/articleshow/57438182.cms
 

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This is a false flag operation. They are testing the waters to see the internal differences in our polity on this issue.
The only offer acceptable is for China to vacate Tibet.
long time saar!..........................
 
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" Dai said in the interview, adding, "If the Indian side takes care of China's concerns on the eastern section of the border, the Chinese side will respond accordingly and address India's concerns elsewhere."
If the Chinese side takes care of India's concern and withdraw from Independent Tibet, Kailash Mansarovar, Sakshgam Valley, Aksai Chin, Sikkim, and SCS islands, Indian side will respond accordingly and address China's concern in Tawang. :biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2:

Else we have nice middle finger to show China.


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I'd rather we don't give up an inch of our territory. Give them the finger. Aksai Chin was our own idiots fault. We will deal with it in our own terms. Whatever happened to the dragon ? I think everyone's calling out its bluff left and right, they are worried..
 

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I think PRC wants one less headache in SCS....

The best way to do is make peace with the devil's they have and India is one of'em...

If we closely look at the Asia Pacific picture....

America is the major headache in East & South China Sea...

India is major headache in South China Sea...

America wants India to play major role in the SCS...

In the recent past, China did everything to p!ss of India...NSG, Masood Azhar, CPEC through PoK, Hambantota, Ababeel to Pak and the list goes on and on...

These all added pressure on China...If they could make permanent(temporary) peace with India so that India wont meddle in SCS...

In short India wont be much of threat to China....

Now the question arises why China hasn't done this earlier....

PRC had different plans to counter India they are String of Pearls, Pakistan, Maoist insurgency, Situations in NE....

As the time passed, India developed resistance...

By mid 2000's most of Maoist threat got resolved or reduced to an extent that it is not any headache to GoI...

Once BMD is complete ly developmed and Active, Pak would calm down. In the mean time India started to develop its own assests in Pak, Modi's 2016 Independence day speech is just an example..

Indian plans to counter String of pearls started to unfold...

In short, China has to make Peace with India else things will go really bad...

Yes, Chinese hold Aksai Chin and currently have some advantage thus chances of gaining higher benifits. If China looses the advantage towards India, Chinese will loose the negotiating power which will be a disaster and might soon turn into a Catastrophy.
 

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And India shows a huge middle finger to China. :biggrin2: :biggrin2::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:


http://m.timesofindia.com/india/def...ai-lama-in-arunachal/articleshow/57448261.cms
Defying China, India to host Dalai Lama in Arunachal Pradesh

HIGHLIGHTS
  • Dalai Lama is set to visit Arunachal Pradesh from April 4 to 13.
  • Dalai Lama will be joined by Union minister Kiren Rijiju during his trip.
  • China has warned that Dalai Lama's trip would cause serious damage to bilateral ties.
NEW DELHI: The Union government representatives will meet the Dalai Lama when he visits Arunachal Pradesh in April, officials said, despite a warning from China that it would damage bilateral ties.

India said the Tibetan spiritual leader will make a religious trip to Arunachal Pradesh next month, and as a secular democracy it would not stop him from travelling to any part of the country.

A trip by the Dalai Lama, whom the Chinese regard as a dangerous separatist, would ratchet up tensions at a time when India is at odds with China on strategic and security issues amid Beijing's growing ties with Pakistan.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi's administration is raising its public engagement with the Tibetan leader, a change from earlier governments' reluctance to anger Beijing by sharing a public platform with him.

"It's a behavioural change you are seeing. India is more assertive," Kiren Rijiju, Union minister of state for home affairs, told Reuters in an interview.
Rijiju, who is from Arunachal and is PM Modi's point man on Tibetan issues, said he would meet the Dalai Lama, who is visiting the Buddhist Tawang monastery after an eight-year interval.

"He is going there as a religious leader, there is no reason to stop him. His devotees are demanding he should come, what harm can he do? He is a lama."

The Chinese foreign ministry said on Friday the Dalai Lama's trip would cause serious damage to India-China ties, and warned New Delhi not to provide him a platform for anti-China activities.

"The Dalai clique has for a long time carried out anti-China separatist activities and on the issue of the China-India border has a history of disgraceful performances," spokesman Geng Shuang told a daily news briefing.

China investing nearby

Visits of the Dalai Lama are initiated months, if not years in advance, and approval for the April 4-13 trip predates recent disagreements between the neighbours.

But the decision to go ahead at a time of strained relations signals Modi's readiness to use diplomatic tools at a time when China's economic and political clout across South Asia is growing.

China is helping to fund a new trade corridor across Pakistan and has also invested in Sri Lanka and Bangladesh, raising fears of strategic encirclement.

Last month, a Taiwanese parliamentary delegation visited Delhi, angering Beijing, which regards Taiwan as an integral part of China.

In December, President Pranab Mukherjee hosted the Dalai Lama at his official residence with other Nobel prize winners, the first public meeting with an Indian head of state in 60 years.

Some officials said India's approach to the Tibetan issue remained cautious, reflecting a gradual evolution in policy rather than a sudden shift, and Modi appears reluctant to go too far for fear of upsetting its large northern neighbour.

India's foreign secretary, Subrahmanyam Jaishankar, was in Beijing last week on a visit that analysts said was aimed at stabilising relations between the world's most populous countries.

Tangible shift

That said, Modi's desire to pursue a more assertive foreign policy since his election in 2014 was quickly felt in contacts with China.

At one bilateral meeting early in his tenure, foreign minister Sushma Swaraj asked her Chinese counterpart whether Beijing had a "one India" policy, according to a source familiar with India-China talks, a pointed reference to Beijing's demand that countries recognise its "one China" policy.

"One India" would imply that China recognise India's claims to Kashmir, contested by Pakistan, as well as border regions like Arunachal Pradesh.

India's hosting of the Dalai Lama since he fled to India in 1959 after a failed uprising against Chinese rule has long irritated Beijing. But government ministers often shied away from regular public meetings with the Buddhist monk.

"These meetings were happening before. Now it is public," Lobsang Sangay, head of the Tibetan government-in-exile based in the Indian town of Dharamsala, said in an interview.

"I notice a tangible shift. With all the Chinese investments in all the neighbouring countries, that has generated debate within India," he said.

The chief minister of Arunachal Pradesh met the Dalai Lama in New Delhi in October and officially invited him to visit the state.

On the Dalai Lama's last visit in 2009, the state's chief minister met him. This time he will be joined by Union minister Rijiju, a move the Chinese may see as giving the trip an official imprimatur.

New Delhi has been hurt by China's refusal to let it join the Nuclear Suppliers Group, the global cartel that controls nuclear commerce.

India has also criticised Beijing for stonewalling its request to add the head of a banned Pakistani militant group to a UN Security Council blacklist.

Rory Medcalf, Head of the National Security College at the Australian National University, said New Delhi appeared to have been surprised by China's inflexibility since Modi came to power, fuelling distrust in the Indian security establishment.

"India does feel that the cards are stacked against it and that it should retain and play the cards that it does have," he said. "The Dalai Lama and Tibetan exile community is clearly one of those cards."
 

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China would also make concessions in Aksai Chin, suggested Dai Bingguo, spelling out in detail for the first time his thoughts on a solution.
Arunachal for Aksai Chin? These Chinks gotta be kidding, right? Aksai Chin is a barren piece of rocky shit where nothing grows. Are we out of our minds to hand over beautiful fertile land for a frikkin rock?
 

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No way in hell, no part of Indian territory is negotiable
 

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Well i see this statement or the timing of this more towards the visit of Dalai lama to Tawang next month which they might have got an idea . So by saying Tawang was part of Lower Tibet or part of China now they want to put pressure on India to stop Dalai lama from visiting Tawang ..I don't see anything more reason than that to release this ambassador s article at this point of time . As usual chinni s are playing their dirty mind games very well ..

Arunachal for Aksai Chin? These Chinks gotta be kidding, right? Aksai Chin is a barren piece of rocky shit where nothing grows. Are we out of our minds to hand over beautiful fertile land for a frikkin rock?
 

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And India shows a huge middle finger to China. :biggrin2: :biggrin2::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:


http://m.timesofindia.com/india/def...ai-lama-in-arunachal/articleshow/57448261.cms
Defying China, India to host Dalai Lama in Arunachal Pradesh

HIGHLIGHTS
  • Dalai Lama is set to visit Arunachal Pradesh from April 4 to 13.
  • Dalai Lama will be joined by Union minister Kiren Rijiju during his trip.
  • China has warned that Dalai Lama's trip would cause serious damage to bilateral ties.
NEW DELHI: The Union government representatives will meet the Dalai Lama when he visits Arunachal Pradesh in April, officials said, despite a warning from China that it would damage bilateral ties.

India said the Tibetan spiritual leader will make a religious trip to Arunachal Pradesh next month, and as a secular democracy it would not stop him from travelling to any part of the country.

A trip by the Dalai Lama, whom the Chinese regard as a dangerous separatist, would ratchet up tensions at a time when India is at odds with China on strategic and security issues amid Beijing's growing ties with Pakistan.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi's administration is raising its public engagement with the Tibetan leader, a change from earlier governments' reluctance to anger Beijing by sharing a public platform with him.

"It's a behavioural change you are seeing. India is more assertive," Kiren Rijiju, Union minister of state for home affairs, told Reuters in an interview.
Rijiju, who is from Arunachal and is PM Modi's point man on Tibetan issues, said he would meet the Dalai Lama, who is visiting the Buddhist Tawang monastery after an eight-year interval.

"He is going there as a religious leader, there is no reason to stop him. His devotees are demanding he should come, what harm can he do? He is a lama."

The Chinese foreign ministry said on Friday the Dalai Lama's trip would cause serious damage to India-China ties, and warned New Delhi not to provide him a platform for anti-China activities.

"The Dalai clique has for a long time carried out anti-China separatist activities and on the issue of the China-India border has a history of disgraceful performances," spokesman Geng Shuang told a daily news briefing.

China investing nearby

Visits of the Dalai Lama are initiated months, if not years in advance, and approval for the April 4-13 trip predates recent disagreements between the neighbours.

But the decision to go ahead at a time of strained relations signals Modi's readiness to use diplomatic tools at a time when China's economic and political clout across South Asia is growing.

China is helping to fund a new trade corridor across Pakistan and has also invested in Sri Lanka and Bangladesh, raising fears of strategic encirclement.

Last month, a Taiwanese parliamentary delegation visited Delhi, angering Beijing, which regards Taiwan as an integral part of China.

In December, President Pranab Mukherjee hosted the Dalai Lama at his official residence with other Nobel prize winners, the first public meeting with an Indian head of state in 60 years.

Some officials said India's approach to the Tibetan issue remained cautious, reflecting a gradual evolution in policy rather than a sudden shift, and Modi appears reluctant to go too far for fear of upsetting its large northern neighbour.

India's foreign secretary, Subrahmanyam Jaishankar, was in Beijing last week on a visit that analysts said was aimed at stabilising relations between the world's most populous countries.

Tangible shift

That said, Modi's desire to pursue a more assertive foreign policy since his election in 2014 was quickly felt in contacts with China.

At one bilateral meeting early in his tenure, foreign minister Sushma Swaraj asked her Chinese counterpart whether Beijing had a "one India" policy, according to a source familiar with India-China talks, a pointed reference to Beijing's demand that countries recognise its "one China" policy.

"One India" would imply that China recognise India's claims to Kashmir, contested by Pakistan, as well as border regions like Arunachal Pradesh.

India's hosting of the Dalai Lama since he fled to India in 1959 after a failed uprising against Chinese rule has long irritated Beijing. But government ministers often shied away from regular public meetings with the Buddhist monk.

"These meetings were happening before. Now it is public," Lobsang Sangay, head of the Tibetan government-in-exile based in the Indian town of Dharamsala, said in an interview.

"I notice a tangible shift. With all the Chinese investments in all the neighbouring countries, that has generated debate within India," he said.

The chief minister of Arunachal Pradesh met the Dalai Lama in New Delhi in October and officially invited him to visit the state.

On the Dalai Lama's last visit in 2009, the state's chief minister met him. This time he will be joined by Union minister Rijiju, a move the Chinese may see as giving the trip an official imprimatur.

New Delhi has been hurt by China's refusal to let it join the Nuclear Suppliers Group, the global cartel that controls nuclear commerce.

India has also criticised Beijing for stonewalling its request to add the head of a banned Pakistani militant group to a UN Security Council blacklist.

Rory Medcalf, Head of the National Security College at the Australian National University, said New Delhi appeared to have been surprised by China's inflexibility since Modi came to power, fuelling distrust in the Indian security establishment.

"India does feel that the cards are stacked against it and that it should retain and play the cards that it does have," he said. "The Dalai Lama and Tibetan exile community is clearly one of those cards."
in Chinese Dictionary...

Dalai lama = Azahar masood For china......

Definatly... China want that one head less of SCS tension .
to win this ... after No big major nulear resistance for china in asia...

and withou india US not take any step On
SCS
 

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Aksai Chin and Tawang is both part of india so why we should give up our land

china already pissed off india many times and got slapped on own face many time too..

playing with india is like playing with FIRE:shoot::india:
 

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The border issue will go away when China [ will be forced] to vacate the illegal occupation of TIBET and East Turkestan ...
 

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They are BSing us.

For China, Aksai Chin is more important than Tawang. So they aren't just going to trade.

This is, as @sob pointed out, testing the waters, esp. with the lama visit coming up in APR.
 

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They realise they made a v stupid mistake and now they want to bak trak

ANY negotiations made with prcchina is USELESS on paper ....it is only our ability to militarily enforce that has any weight in their eyes

We are not giving up anything for aksai .......they can give aksi back to us , for goodwill and support on international forum(s) , if they want

Second main point is that they are under pressure on multiple fronts ....if trump exercises power in SCS and putin shows strength on berder regions in Far east , then we have serious advantage if push comes to shove in outher areas we should retake at least a part of aksai and strategic bits of POK.


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China is after water resources wherever they can get because of water shortage predictions in future. The Brahamaputra originates in Tibet and goes to Arunachal Pradesh. There was an article in the past https://national interest.org/feature/water-war-river-could-sink-china-india-relations-15829. India should continue to develop weapons and technology. With strong india, China cannot do arm twisting like it's doing to it's neighbors in SCS. We should pursue One india policy. POK and Arunachal are integral parts of india. I am not sure how world allowed China to annexed Tibbet. It's argument that one of mama was born in Tawang so it belongs to Tibbet is absurd. Tomorrow China may say that Buddha was born in Nepal and lived in india so they own Nepal and India as well. Very absurd argument.
 

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China is after water resources wherever they can get because of water shortage predictions in future. The Brahamaputra originates in Tibet and goes to Arunachal Pradesh. There was an article in the past https://national interest.org/feature/water-war-river-could-sink-china-india-relations-15829. India should continue to develop weapons and technology. With strong india, China cannot do arm twisting like it's doing to it's neighbors in SCS. We should pursue One india policy. POK and Arunachal are integral parts of india. I am not sure how world allowed China to annexed Tibbet. It's argument that one of mama was born in Tawang so it belongs to Tibbet is absurd. Tomorrow China may say that Buddha was born in Nepal and lived in india so they own Nepal and India as well. Very absurd argument.
Well you;re right, the whole tibet issue is ridiculous. Though in defense of the chinese(no i'm not a closet chinese) no one can really say which land belongs to whom! It is the present generation through force or politics who decide it.
 

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