China Police Expo 2014 (20-23 May) & China's Export Small Arms thread

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so far .the newest member of LG serial Grenade Laucher is the LG-5 40mm Sniper GL




it's quite new to us all. so a little info was released on the published material. since such model was called "sniper" system. the "long range" and "accuracy" should be the key feature... we guess this GL might fire the 40×53 mm Hight Pressure Grenade which was fired by the heavy Automatic GLs(we also called it as Grenade Machine Gun in recent years) like MK19 , LG4 AGL..etc. such grenade has a higher muzzle velocity , more range and more flat trajectory which is helpful for the request of accuracy at the long range.

BTW , M203 style UBGL fires other kind of 40×46 mm Low Pressure grenade.

the staff near the stand said it applied some sniper rifle's design , such as : free-floatingbarrel, and recoil shock absorber...and this model has a semi-auto firing mode only...

the 35mm QLB06 35mm Light-Weight AGL is right a contrast here...1. the rigid connection of bipod and Barrel. 2. 35mm Medium speed grenade .3. weaker shock absorber 4. optical sight only...



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the military varient--35mm Sniper GL was tested by the PLAN Marine...we don't know whether a new high speed 35mm Grenade was developped for this new GL...the current AGLs in PLA service are using the same 35mm Medium pressure(speed) Grenade.

1. the main sight is Y/MGL11-005 photoelectric sight device (Laser range-finder and ballistic computer are integrated ) .the Observer of sniper pair would equip the BBG-401 photoelectric observation device which also has the the laser rangefinder and Ballistci computer. but the amplification ratio and field of view of the observation device is better.
2&3 . some difference could be spotted between the 35mm Military varient and 40mm Export one. (eg. sights , shock absorber and butt stock, Muzzle brake)

 
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Hunan GreatWall OrdanceIndustry Group also displayed a 12.7mm Sniper Rifle on this Expo...actually such large calibre weapon won't have much attraction to the Police force. so Export market is the manufacturer's primary purpose...

LR-2 12.7mm Sniper Rifle

many design of this rifle, such as hydraulic buffer, free-floatingbarrel, and Multi- Safty ,were applied and got the patent in China. the drum Mag has two kinds of capacities: 5 or 8 rounds. aluminium and titanium alloy help to keep the weight down to around 12.2kg. it fires Soviet 12.7mm round .the length of this bullpup design is just 1265mm and many parts are adjustable.




this export rifle has quite a long history...its predecessor or Early prototype might be the another export project(and for the Special Force)--W03 12.7mm Sniper Rifle appeared around 10 years ago.



and in the past years, this bullpup design 12.7mm rifle seems keeping the 'evolution'...the last pic of the three shows us the three prototypes of LR-2A rifles.(the further development)....but this rifle hasn't got any large orders yet.

 
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around 7-8 years ago, China's magazines about popularization of defence tech revealed a serial of 12.7mm sniper rifles on their publishings...M99, AMR-2 and JS 12.7( renamed as LR-1 ) ...etc ..and years later, we got to know PLA called for a open bidding to looking for a 12.7 mm Sniper Rifle (Anti-materiel rifle)...those rifles were the bidder projects from differenct groups. but none of them won the tender in the end, so they turned to be Export projects then...



among the three, the M99 12.7mm Rifle might have the best sales performance in the international market. it could be seen in many battlefields during the recent years..

in Syria



in Myanmar



and the PLAN marine also introduced a small batch of M99s before the Standard large calibre sniper rifle was chosen...




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BTW, the Norinco is selling a new model firing the NATO 12.7mm cartridge, the above models fire ex-Soviet standard cartridges...this new Model is quite unfamiliar but an Export project code -NSG-50 0.5 inch Rifle only..



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nowadays, we could see these LOSERs were also displayed in the Small Arm Museum ,Beijing along with the Winner. if you go to Beijing , this Museum should be an interesting place for military fans and Northern Shooting Range is nearby, you may try some China's Small Arms there...



and who is the winner? the result was clear till 2010, the PLA pick the following model and named it officially as --QBU-10 12.7mm Sniper Rifle. it passed the national test in late 2009 or early 2010...

 
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happened to read a thread on the FYJS forum..
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around 10 days ago... the PLA Hong Kong Garrison held a open day for the citizens... QBU-10 12.7mm was displayed for experience...



weight: 13.3 kg
length: 1380mm
Mag capaclity: 5 rounds
Range: 1000m (Anti- Person) ,1500 (Anti- Material)








 
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OFB should take lessons form the Chinese arms manufacture ,they are selling this shit for 80-90 thousand INR
 

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Revolver used to one kind of small arm in PLA service before 1949 , during the WWII and Civil War period...then revolver phased out when the the PLA firearm standardization project began in 1950's with Soviet standard firearms...
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but in this century, for some reason the Police Force raised a new project looking for a Revolver to arm the Patrolman and Regional Police units...
for the first time ,China small arm research team began to design a revolver and it passed the national test in 2005. it was displayed on the former Police Expos...Revolver shouldn't be future trends even for police purpose.

Type2005 9mm Police Revolver
displayed on Police Expo 2012 (two kinds of ammo displayed aside are : normal round and rubber bullet )




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the shape and material of gip are various





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another Non-lethal weapon ----Sonic weapon

Sonic and ultrasonic weapons (USW) are weapons of various types that use sound to injure, incapacitate, or kill an opponent. Some sonic weapons are currently in limited use or in research and development by military and police forces. Others exist only in the realm of science fiction. Some of these weapons have been described as sonic bullets, sonic grenades, sonic mines, or sonic cannons. Some make a focused beam of sound or ultrasound; some make an area field of sound.






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PLA navy also has such Non-lethal weapon mounted on those ships for escort mission on the Indian Ocean or South China sea...both on the 01 Deck of the superstructure of these ships ...DDG112 and OPV555(ex-FFG555)


 

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some interesting items on the square outside the exhibition hall..

1. Turbojet Anti-riot Vehicle...the surplus military turbojets are used to generate Strong airstream to disperse the crowd, de-ice and spray the fire fighting foamer on the high-rise buildings upto 60 meters.




2. PTU vehicle



3. ,self-loading and unloading vehicle--it was a failed bidder for some military vehicle tender



4. Anti-riot Assault Vehicle



5. another Anti-Riot vehicle

 

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China Export Pistols
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NP serial Export pistols ...NP = NORINCO Pistol...let's start with those clones of Famous Pistols in the world...

(A)China Made M1911 serial--this is best-seller in the North American Market. it is welcomed due to the good quality worthy of the bargain price..
to "protect" the high profit M4/CAR15 market, American denied the sell of Norinco made M4 clone(CQ-A carbin) in USA, and it was rumorred that American transfered the whole technical documents to Norinco as some kind of 'compensation'...

1. NP27---M1911A1



2.NP30(P10)---.45ACP Barrel, 10 rounds Mag



3.NP28(P15)---9mm barrel, 15 rounds MAG



4.NP29---M1911 Govermnet model, 9 rounds MAG



5.NP44---.45ACP ,14 rounds MAG



6. Early China made M1911s for export without "NP" prefix in 1980s



M1911A1- Coverment


M1911A1- Commander
 
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(B) SIG clones

left:NP22 9mm(SIG P2269)、right: NP34 9mm(SIG P2289)



the highlight of this pair of pistol is the 'service life'--10000 rounds...normally China military standard request 3000 rounds service life only. American standard is 5000 rounds...these two also passed the extremity life test which logged a record of 15000 rounds(whole pistol) and 20000 rounds(Barrel).

Performance


NP22's 15 rounds MAG




 

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so far .the newest member of LG serial Grenade Laucher is the LG-5 40mm Sniper GL




it's quite new to us all. so a little info was released on the published material. since such model was called "sniper" system. the "long range" and "accuracy" should be the key feature... we guess this GL might fire the 40×53 mm Hight Pressure Grenade which was fired by the heavy Automatic GLs(we also called it as Grenade Machine Gun in recent years) like MK19 , LG4 AGL..etc. such grenade has a higher muzzle velocity , more range and more flat trajectory which is helpful for the request of accuracy at the long range.
some update to post #41....one of the latest issue of our monthly Defense Magazines published some interesting images about this 40mm LG-5 GL

Light status : 4 rounds Mag + Optical Sight




Light status : 4 rounds Mag + Electro-Optical Targeting System( with computer)



Heavy Status: 15 rounds Mag + Tripod + Electro-Optical Targeting System( with computer)

 
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(B) SIG clones--- continued...

.40 S&W Caliber NP58 (the varient of NP22-9mm)





 

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some addenda to the Post #49
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POLY tech is also selling its own brand M1911 serial in the American Market. the local agent is a American firm -- Rock River.

1911 Poly Pistol -- PS5000






 
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(C) the clone of CZ 75/Tanfoglio TZ-75

China NZ 75/85 9mm




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(D) Export varient of QSZ-92 9mm pistol.

two models of QSZ-92, 9mm and 5.8mm

the NP42 9mm for export..it is sold in USA and Canada.




 
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more details...







 

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(E) Another Export varient of QSZ-92 9mm pistol.

Q×4 Multi-Caliber pistol... it's a quite interesting design, with the changeable Caliber, the pistol could shoot 0.45 inch ACP、0.40 S&W、9mmParabellum、7.62×25mm cartridge.





more details...





 

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(F) the Compact Varient of of QSZ-92 9mm pistol

CF-07 is also an export product...it shares quite some the design and parts with the QSZ-92 but the magazine capacity was reduced from 15 rounds to 7 to improve the of portability as a self-defense pistol...






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it used to compete for the PLA army 'high ranking officer self-defense pistol project'. but it seems another one (5.8mm) won in the end...so CF-07 appeared on the international market...

the winner is QSZ-11 5.8mm


 

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Chinese is police is the strongest and best equipped Police Force in the world.

Its budget surpasses China's Military Budget.
 

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another copied concept...

JAD-1 Multi-function Pistol adapter from a Beijing based firm which would improve the normal pistols's range , precision, holding feeling ,and adaptability of more accessories...
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the model working on a GLOCK



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the model working with the QSZ-92 9mm which is being tested by Local police team

 
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