China-Pak nuclear deal: US asks for Pak-China nuke arrangement details

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Joining SCO is the best move India can make right now but taking any immediate bold stands can harm the growing industry. Its a long term process for sure, it'll take 20-40 years & its eventual. But there is always others who can replace the Indian companies serving US in the long run. Its cutting some market share even today in little amount.
India will join SCO but wont be comfortable in this grouping as it would be heavily influenced by china in favour of pakistan.
 
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Joining SCO is the best move India can make right now but taking any immediate bold stands can harm the growing industry. Its a long term process for sure, it'll take 20-40 years & its eventual. But there is always others who can replace the Indian companies serving US in the long run. Its cutting some market share even today in little amount.
They can also do the same thing for simple economic reasons, Indian wages become to high they will leave so this should not be the only measure.
 
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India will join SCO but wont be comfortable in this grouping as it would be heavily influenced by china in favour of pakistan.
Russia calls the shots in SCO and they have already expressed they do not want Pakistan in SCO. China may lean toward Pakistan in SCO but there are 5 other nations with whom India has excellent relations.
 
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India taps NSG over Sino-Pak N-deal

New Delhi, June 20 (IANS):
Concerned about the China-Pakistan nuclear deal, India has sought more details on it from Beijing and has conveyed its reservations to influential countries of the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG), which is expected to take up the proposed arrangement at its meeting in New Zealand next week.
"It's certainly an issue that concerns India. The Chinese side is aware of our need for more information and clarification about the deal," official sources said here on Sunday.

The sources added that India has conveyed its concerns to Beijing in conversations with Chinese leaders in the past few months. India has also reached out to key NSG countries like the US, which is planning to oppose the deal at the June 24 meeting of the nuclear cartel that regulates the global trade in atomic equipment and fuel.

"We have been touch with a number of our partners on this issue. The issue is very much on our radar screen," the sources said when asked whether India had reached out to NSG countries on the issue.

Pakistan, the sources said, is fully aware of India's position on clandestine proliferation. China has confirmed that Chinese and Pakistani officials have signed an agreement to finance the construction of two nuclear reactors to be built by the China National Nuclear Corporation at the Chashma site in Pakistan.

China earlier built two reactors for Pakistan before it joined the NSG in 2004.

"Certain questions have been raised about whether they are new rectors or they are being grandfathered under an earlier agreement," the sources said. They were alluding to the confusion about whether China will try to win an exemption from the NSG by peddling the line that the two proposed reactors are not new ones but are an extension of an earlier agreement before Beijing joined the NSG in 2004.

Clarifying that India is not against against Pakistan developing its energy sector, the sources indicated that the issue could figure in the discussions between Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao and her Pakistani counterpart Salman Bashir June 24, the same day the NSG meets in New Zealand.

However, India will firm up its stand on the deal only after knowing the outcome of the June 24 meeting of the NSG in New Zealand.

The NSG forbids transfer of nuclear materials to the countries who have not signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT). It, however, made one-time exception for India in September 2008 by clearing the India-US nuclear deal in view of New Delhi's flawless non-proliferation record.

While New Delhi is reasonably confident that the China-Pakistan nuclear deal will not pass muster at the 45-nation NSG due to Islamabad's dubious proliferation record, there are apprehensions that Beijing will try to hard-sell it by using its growing global clout.

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India wary of NSG double blow


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Pakistan may get pass even as ENR rules tighten
New Delhi: Two years after being made to jump through a hoop to win an exemption from the Nuclear Suppliers Group's export ban, India is bracing itself for a double blow. At its plenary meeting in New Zealand beginning on Monday, the 46-nation cartel may turn a blind eye to China's plan to supply new reactors to Pakistan, handing Islamabad a free pass. The NSG is also likely to adopt fresh restrictions on the transfer of enrichment and reprocessing (ENR) equipment and technology, thereby diluting New Delhi's hard won 'clean' waiver.

The NSG members undertake to supply nuclear material and equipment only to countries which let the IAEA monitor all their nuclear facilities. Apart from reasons of safety, the only exception to this rule is if the supply is pursuant to pre-existing commitments.

China joined the NSG in May 2004. In a formal "declaration of existing projects" made at the time, it told the group of its 1991 cooperation agreement with Pakistan under which it had supplied a 300 MWe reactor at Chashma and had just undertaken to supply an additional 325 MWe reactor there. It did not, at the time, speak of 'grandfathering' any additional reactors under the 1991 agreement.

In recent months, however, the China National Nuclear Corporation has confirmed plans for building two new reactors at Chashma, a move that runs counter to those assurances. The supply would also violate commitments made to the IAEA in 2004 that "China will, once admitted into NSG, act in accordance with [its] guidelines."

While conceding their "interest and concern" in the matter, Indian officials say it is for NSG members to object to China's proposal and specify the conditions Islamabad must satisfy before being eligible for nuclear commerce. The Chinese side was asked about the proposed transfer during the visit to Beijing of President Pratibha Patil, but official sources denied India had told China not to go ahead with the deal.

On ENR, Hungary, currently chair of the NSG, told India in March that consensus on the new rules was still proving elusive. In the light of the September 2008 waiver, Indian officials had suggested exempting India from the applicability of draft rules banning ENR sales to non-NPT countries. But this proposal has found few takers. And now there are signs the U.S. and others are is pushing for the adoption of the ENR ban during the upcoming New Zealand plenary. The new rules will "very probably be approved," an NSG diplomatic source told TheHindu on Sunday.
 

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US should offer 'criteria-based' N-deal to Pakistan


WASHINGTON: The United States should consider offering a criteria-based nuclear deal to Pakistan instead of sending it to the Nuclear Suppliers Group, a key US think-tank suggested on Monday.
On the day when the 46-nation NSG begins a four-day meeting in New Zealand, which is likely to take up a Chinese plan to provide two nuclear reactors to Pakistan, the Rand Corporation urged the United States to reconsider its policies towards Pakistan.

The group, which employs a significant number of former US intelligence officials, suggested that "a criteria-based approach with Pakistan could be possible".

The explicit criteria could be tied to access to A. Q. Khan, greater visibility into Pakistan's programme, submission to safeguards, a strategic decision to abandon militancy as a tool of foreign and domestic policy, and empirically verifiable metrics in eliminating militant groups operating in and from Pakistan.

The proposed deal could have elements that are much more restrictive than the one the US made with India five years ago.

"For example, it could be based on an exclusive relationship with the United States, rather than seeking broad accommodation with the Nuclear Suppliers' Group and other regimes that limit the proliferation of nuclear technology and access to materials for nuclear programmes," the study suggested.

Authors Christine Fair of Georgetown University and Seth Jones of Rand Corporation suggested that "such a deal would confer acceptance of Islamabad's nuclear weapon programme and reward it for the improvements in nuclear security it has made since 2002".

They noted that in the long shadow of A. Q. Khan and continued uncertainty about the status of his networks, "it is easy to forget that Pakistan has established a Strategic Plans Division that has done much to improve the safety of the country's nuclear assets".

In exchange for fundamental recognition of its nuclear status and civilian assistance, Pakistan would have to meet two criteria: It would have to provide the kind of access and cooperation on nuclear suppliers' networks identified in the Kerry-Lugar-Berman legislation. Pakistan would also have to demonstrate sustained and verifiable commitment in combating all terrorist groups on its soil.

"Such a civilian nuclear deal could achieve the goals that Kerry-Lugar-Berman could not because it would offer Pakistan benefits that it actually values and that only the United States can meaningfully confer," the authors noted.

The study, however, observed that a nuclear deal will not be an easy sale either in Washington or in Islamabad, much less in New Delhi.

Details of the Indo-US deal are still being negotiated more than five years after the idea was initially floated.

The authors concede that a deal with Islamabad will be even more protracted than the deal with New Delhi because of A. Q. Khan's activities and the clout of domestic lobbies in Washington.

The authors also acknowledge that even this deal may not provide Pakistan adequate incentives to eliminate terror groups or provide access to such individuals as A. Q. Khan.

The authors also urged the US administration to offer "a serious economic carrot" to Pakistan, which has long sought access to economic and trade concessions, especially for textiles.

The authors warned that some US economic initiatives were unlikely to be useful. For example, setting up Reconstruction Economic Zones in Fata, Kashmir, and the earthquake-affected areas is unlikely to have an appreciable effect on local economic activity even if it would have some public-relations value.

Instead, the study titled "Counter-insurgency in Pakistan" urged a free trade agreement between the two allies.

"If the United States seeks to achieve a greater economic effect, Washington and Islamabad should consider signing a free trade agreement, which would affect more people."

This initiative too would be subject to requirements like a phased and verifiable end to any support for militant groups and greater visibility into Pakistan's nuclear weapons.

AP adds: Pakistan hasn't quit its habit of courting insurgents, and extremist networks with current or former ties to the government pose a significant risk to the United States and Pakistan's elected government itself, the study concludes.

A rising number of terrorist plots in the United States with roots in Pakistan stems in part from an unsuccessful strategy by the US-backed government in Pakistan to blunt the influence of militant groups in the country, the report by the Rand Corporation said.

The report says the May 1 failed car bombing in New York's Times Square is an example of how militant groups, some with shadowy government backing, can increasingly export terrorism far beyond the country's borders.

The United States isn't getting its money's worth for all the billions in aid pledged to the strategically located, nuclear-armed nation, the report concludes. The US should withhold some aid until Pakistan makes "discernible progress", the report said.
 

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Pakistan needs a nuclear deal with the US: Christine Fair

The study titled "Counterinsurgency in Pakistan" notes the vitality of "politically valuable initiatives" that Washington should take towards ensuring Pakistan's sustained cooperation in the high-stakes' struggle.

These initiatives should also include a free trade agreement between the two allies.

The nuclear deal for Pakistan "could be based on an exclusive relationship with the US, rather than seeking broad accommodation with the Nuclear Suppliers Group and other regimes that limit the proliferation of nuclear technology and access to materials for nuclear programs", the authors suggest.

"Such a deal would confer acceptance of Islamabad's nuclear programme and reward it for the improvements in nuclear security it has made since 2002," the study notes.

Measures: Arguing for a criteria-based nuclear deal for Islamabad, the two researchers point to the fact that Pakistan has put in place a series of measures to improve its nuclear security since the revelation of Dr Abdul Qadeer Khan's proliferation activities.

In exchange for fundamental recognition of its nuclear status and civilian assistance, Pakistan would have to meet two criteria, the scholars suggest, having to provide access and cooperation on nuclear suppliers' networks and demonstrating sustained and verifiable commitment in combating all terrorist groups on its soil.

The deal, the researchers say, "would offer Pakistan benefits that it actually values and that only the US can meaningfully confer".

The report also takes into account Islamabad's call for a US nuclear deal and a non-discriminatory approach on the issue vis-à-vis Pakistan in the backdrop of the US-India nuclear deal. Pakistani officials argue that its sacrifices in cooperating with the US should merit comparable consideration.
 
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China-Pak nuclear deal: 'India opened a Pandora's box'

NEW DELHI: The proposed China-Pakistan nuclear deal could spell trouble for India's own membership of the Nuclear Suppliers Group, severely upsetting the calculations of the government here.

India had hoped that the New Zealand plenary meeting scheduled for later this week might move the process along for India to be eventually recognized as a formal member of the group.

India had told the NSG that following the Indo-US nuclear deal, its laws and regulations had been harmonized with the global body, and that it was ready to be a member of the group. This was emphasized by the government in its last meeting with the NSG troika earlier this year.

Instead, there is a growing anger, albeit impotent, within the 45-member group as they confront a virtual fait accompli by China "informing" them of its decision to build two new nuclear reactors for Pakistan, a proliferation rogue. But such is the growing clout of China internationally that, Indian officials say, there is a lot of grumbling, but little outright opposition. The US so far is the only country to openly oppose the proposed arrangement, but that too happened after the Iran sanctions vote in the UN Security Council, where China's cooperation was crucial. France, sources said, is likely to raise its own objections at the NSG meeting later this week.

China is unlikely to ask for a full waiver for Pakistan from the NSG, along the lines of the India deal. That would require a huge amount of political investment of the kind the US made for India. Instead, China is likely to push these two reactors through under a kind of diplomatic amnesia because there is a paper trail that says only two reactors in Pakistan had been "grandfathered" by China. With China becoming more muscular in international politics, this kind of a "thin-end-of-the-wedge" kind of deal might just go through.

Of course, the Indian government is readying its own diplomatic initiative against the proposed deal -- but quietly, mainly working with "friends" in Europe, many of whom batted for India during its own deal. Openly, India has not yet revealed its hand, and is still squeamish about coming out against the deal, given it is not a member of the NSG and its own deal is virtually hot off the press. Therefore, India will wait for the NSG to take a view this week.

During the recent visit of President Pratibha Patil to China, the Indians used the formal banquet to tell Chinese foreign minister Yang Jiechi that the deal would be a very bad idea. Yang's response was textbook -- the Pakistan deal was peaceful and under IAEA safeguards. India has desisted from a formal objection to the Pak deal.

A lot of the anger of countries like Austria, Ireland and the Scandinavian countries against the China-Pakistan deal is directed against India. "You opened a Pandora's box," many countries have said accusingly. India received a country-specific waiver from the NSG in 2008 for nuclear commerce, but it was a bitter pill for many countries for whom the existing non-proliferation regime is a national mantra, including, ironically New Zealand, where the China-Pak deal is likely to be discussed.

But there is little appreciation for India's line that its nuclear deal was a reward for an unblemished record in non-proliferation, and that India was a class apart from Pakistan.
 

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China-Pakistan nuclear deal: Why the surprise?

June 22, 2010 14:48 IST

It's highly unlikely that China will give up playing the Pakistan card vis-a-vis India [ Images ] anytime soon. Indian policy makers would be well advised to disabuse themselves of the notion of a Sino-Indian rapprochement. China doesn't do sentimentality in foreign policy, India should follow suit, writes Harsh V Pant.

China will reportedly make a statement on its decision to supply two more nuclear reactors to Pakistan during the meeting of the Nuclear Suppliers Group this week in New Zealand [ Images ].

The Indian government has suggested it will be trying to call Beijing's [ Images ] bluff by exposing the underlying flaws in China's argument in support of such a deal. New Delhi [ Images ] has also made its reservations known to Beijing through diplomatic channels. But should it really come as a surprise that China is trying its best to maintain nuclear parity between India and Pakistan?

After all, this is what China has been doing for the last five decades. Based on their convergent interests vis-a-vis India, China and Pakistan reached a strategic understanding in mid-1950s, a bond that has only strengthened ever since. Sino-Pakistan ties gained particular momentum in aftermath of the 1962 Sino-Indian war when the two states signed a boundary agreement recognising Chinese control over portions of the disputed Kashmir [ Images ] territory and since then the ties have been so strong that Chinese President Hu Jintao has described the relationship as "higher than mountains and deeper than oceans." Pakistan's President Asif Ali Zardari [ Images ], has suggested that "No relationship between two sovereign states is as unique and durable as that between Pakistan and China."

Maintaining close ties with China has been a priority for Islamabad [ Images ] and Beijing has provided extensive economic, military and technical assistance to Pakistan over the years. It was Pakistan that in the early 1970s enabled China to cultivate its ties with the West and the US in particular, becoming the conduit for Henry Kissinger's landmark secret visit to China in 1971 and has been instrumental in bringing China closer to the larger Muslim world.

Over the years China emerged Pakistan's largest defence supplier. Military cooperation between the two has deepened with joint projects producing armaments ranging from fighter jets to guided missile frigates. China is a steady source of military hardware to the resource-deficient Pakistani Army. It has not only given technology assistance to Pakistan but has also helped Pakistan to set-up mass weapons production factories. Pakistan's military modernisation process remains dependent on Chinese largesse.

In the last two decades, the two states have been actively involved in a range of joint ventures including the JF-17 Thunder fighter aircraft, the K-8 Karakorum advance training aircraft, and the Babur cruise missile, the dimensions of which exactly replicate the Hong Niao Chinese cruise missile. The JF-17 venture is particularly significant given its utility in delivering nuclear weapons.

In a major move for China's indigenous defence industry, China is also supplying its most advanced home-made combat aircraft, the third-generation J-10 fighter jets to Pakistan, in a deal worth around $6 billion. Beijing is helping Pakistan build and launch satellites for remote sensing and communication even as Pakistan is reportedly already hosting a Chinese space communication facility at Karachi.

China has played a major role in the development of Pakistan's nuclear infrastructure and emerged Pakistan's benefactor at a time when increasingly stringent export controls in western countries made it difficult for Pakistan to acquire materials and technology from elsewhere.

The Pakistani nuclear weapons programme is essentially an extension of the Chinese one. Despite being a signatory of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, China has supplied Pakistan with nuclear materials and expertise and has provided critical assistance in the construction of Pakistan's nuclear facilities. As has been aptly noted by the non-proliferation expert Gary Milhollin, "If you subtract China's help from Pakistan's nuclear programme, there is no nuclear programme."

Although China has long denied helping any nation attain a nuclear capability, the father of Pakistan's nuclear weapons programme, Abdul Qadeer Khan, himself has acknowledged the crucial role China has played in his nation's nuclear weaponisation by gifting 50 kilograms of weapons-grade enriched uranium, drawing of the nuclear weapons and tons of uranium hexafluoride for Pakistan's centrifuges.

This is perhaps the only case where a nuclear weapon state has actually passed on weapons grade fissile material as well as a bomb design to a non-nuclear weapon state.

India has been the main factor that has influenced China and Pakistan's policies vis-a-vis each other. Whereas Pakistan wants to gain access to civilian and military resources from China to balance Indian might in the sub-continent, China, viewing India as potential challenger in the strategic landscape of Asia, views Pakistan as it central instrument to counter Indian power in the region.

The China-Pakistan partnership serves the interests of both by presenting India with a potential two front theatre in the event of war with either country. In their own ways each is using the other to balance India as India's disputes with Pakistan keep it preoccupied failing to attain its potential as a major regional and global player.

China meanwhile guarantees the security of Pakistan when it comes to its conflicts with India thus preventing India from using its much superior conventional military strength against Pakistan. Not surprisingly, one of the central pillars of Pakistan's strategic policies for the last more than four decades has been its steady and ever-growing military relationship with China.

And preventing India's dominance of South Asia by strengthening Pakistan has been a strategic priority for China.

But with India's ascent in global hierarchy and American attempts to carve out a strong partnership with India, China's need for Pakistan is only likely to grow. A rising India makes Pakistan all the more important for Chinese strategy for the subcontinent. It's highly unlikely that China will give up playing the Pakistan card vis-a-vis India anytime soon. Indian policy makers would be well advised to disabuse themselves of the notion of a Sino-Indian rapprochement. China doesn't do sentimentality in foreign policy, India should follow suit.
 

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So quite clear from the neighbours,

We too come in the NSG trade, Else get out of the NSG trade along with us.
 
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This is happening now because of spineless Obama,under Bush China could never try anything like this.
 

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This is actually good for india in the sense it shows how toothless all the three or four letter treaties like FMCT/NPT/CTBT are....Now only thing is how india chalks out and plays its own game in proliferation.
 

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This is actually good for india in the sense it shows how toothless all the three or four letter treaties like FMCT/NPT/CTBT are....Now only thing is how india chalks out and plays its own game in proliferation.
Will Indian leadership be ever that strong enough to plan any proliferation games? South block plans only how to save GOI...
 

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Everything comes to full stop at spineless leadership in india.
 

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BEIJING: China on Thursday defended its nuclear cooperation with Pakistan as peaceful after the United States announced it had sought clarification from Beijing on the sale of two reactors to Islamabad.

"China and Pakistan have maintained cooperation in recent years in the civilian use of nuclear energy," Foreign Ministry Spokesman Qin Gang told reporters when asked about the US reaction to the deal.

"This cooperation is in line with our respective international obligations and totally for peaceful purposes, and has International Atomic Energy Agency safeguards and supervision."

The state-run China National Nuclear Corporation has agreed to finance two civilian nuclear reactors in Pakistan's Punjab province.

The deal came after China in 2004 entered the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG), a group of nuclear energy states that forbids exports to nations lacking strict International Atomic Energy Agency safeguards.

On Tuesday, US State Department spokesman Philip Crowley told reporters the United States had asked China to clarify details of the deal, which he said must be approved by the NSG.
 

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Sorry sir but india is the worlds largests AID reciever... 654 billion $.
I am sure you got this Info from Pakistan times?
tell me a neutral source.all papers in Pakistan are rigged.
 

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