China offers to finance 30 per cent of India's infrastructure

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Back to sobriety India won't open for Chinese large-scale investment in infra. Meantime pragmatic Chinese have taken the side -

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2014-02/19/content_17292817_4.htm





During the visit of Pakistani President Mamnoon Hussain Chinese have committed to the "economic corridor" with the all-weather ally. Additionally Chinese will invest in Gwadar Airport.

Pakistan president discusses economy in China | World, News, The Philippine Star | philstar.com
The planned economic corridor will incorporate a 2,000-kilometer (1,200-mile) transport link connecting Kashgar in northwestern China to the little-used Pakistani port of Gwadar on the Arabian Sea near the border with Iran. That could at some point include a railway and oil pipeline.

The project received a major boost when control of Gwadar was transferred to China's state-owned China Overseas Ports Holding Co. Ltd. in February 2013. Built by Chinese workers and opened in 2007, Gwadar is undergoing a major expansion to turn it into a full-fledged, deep-water commercial port.

One of the agreements signed yesterday was a preliminary accord for constructing an international airport at Gwadar. Another was for upgrading a section of the 1,300-kilometer (800-mile) Karakorum Highway connecting to Islamabad.

The sides last year already agreed to build a fiber-optic cable to be laid from the Chinese border to the Pakistani city of Rawalpindi which will boost Pakistan's access to international communications networks. China is to provide 85 percent of the financing for the three-year project's $44 million budget, with Pakistan covering the rest.

If the corridor project takes off, oil from the Middle East could be offloaded at Gwadar, which is located just outside the mouth of the Persian Gulf, and transported to China through the lawless Baluchistan province in Pakistan and over the towering Karakoram mountains. Such a link would vastly cut the 12,000-kilometer (7,500-mile) route that Mideast oil supplies must now take to reach Chinese ports.
It's delusional Chinese can sit on the fence in a zero sum game with India.
 
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300 billion is a investment not gift. Investment means returns and PRC is betting on India. Do you think they are the only ones.
$300 billion usd is an enormous bet, no one would ever want to lose that kind of money.

i am sure the risks were calculated before the offer was made.

Back to sobriety India won't open for Chinese large-scale investment in infra. Meantime pragmatic Chinese have taken the side -
why is there a need to take sides?

this is business, so both can be done at the same time.
 
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Back to sobriety India won't open for Chinese large-scale investment in infra. Meantime pragmatic Chinese have taken the side -

During the visit of Pakistani President Mamnoon Hussain Chinese have committed to the "economic corridor" with the all-weather ally. Additionally Chinese will invest in Gwadar Airport.

Pakistan president discusses economy in China | World, News, The Philippine Star | philstar.com


It's delusional Chinese can sit on the fence in a zero sum game with India.
Not many Chinese are able to say with confidence and a straight-face that Pakistan-PRC relationship is economic in nature and also all the above items mentioned in the report are economic investments. They are non-economic investments and the return on investment is debatable some might also argue the completion is also questionable. The reason and component of the investments are PRC centric and do not benefit Pakistan generally.

A Zero-Sum game has many matrix and equilibrium and i am sure if you are objective and in tune with the future direction of the region and world that means in many analysis of the same there is a inevitable dramatic downgrade to PRC-Pakistan relationship in favor of India.

You can already see it occurring slowly (and one of the reason is the nature, quality and value of the Islamic State of Pakistan to PRC). If not please tell everyone that PRC-Pakistan relationship is more important compared to PRC-India relationship and will be for the long-term. Please also have synergism in your response to what the below person will say and has said:

Li Keqiang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I read somewhere his first official visit was to India and also he is going to visit India again this year. Is that a signal and was he sitting on the fence.
 
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That is why it will be delayed to examine and authenticate the PRC offer and its sincerity get more bargain and access to PRC and also to increase the value of the PRC-Pakistan relationship disruption in favor of India.

300 billion is a investment not gift. Investment means returns and PRC is betting on India. Do you think they are the only ones.
Leave about investment of China in Pakistan for a moment, India is about to invest 1 Trillion in the next 5 years. The amount is from center and also from FDIs.

India is diversifying the investments. Based on the threat perception and national security the investments will be allowed.
 

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Leave about investment of China in Pakistan for a moment, India is about to invest 1 Trillion in the next 5 years. The amount is from center and also from FDIs.

India is diversifying the investments. Based on the threat perception and national security the investments will be allowed.
It will be done like you said with considerations in mind and also the dynamics of the region and the world that wants to come and invest in india - and most certainly India will use it to its benefit along with the other party. Look at what the Japanese, Koreans and Americans are doing and wanting to do. The British are also suiting themselves up and you also have the Europeans. Interesting times ahead.

But it must be stated that India does not need money. What we need is expertise and long-term partnership. People know a lot of money can be made in India. Look at the FDI that has come and will come into India.
 

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It will be done like you said with considerations in mind and also the dynamics of the region and the world that wants to come and invest in india - and most certainly India will use it to its benefit along with the other party. Look at what the Japanese, Koreans and Americans are doing and wanting to do. The British are also suiting themselves up and you also have the Europeans. Interesting times ahead.

But it must be stated that India does not need money. What we need is expertise and long-term partnership. People know a lot of money can be made in India. Look at the FDI that has come and will come into India.
Reason why India will form JV's in infra development and other sectors.

FDI's contribute less to economy compared to domestic growth.
 
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Leave about investment of China in Pakistan for a moment, India is about to invest 1 Trillion in the next 5 years. The amount is from center and also from FDIs.

India is diversifying the investments. Based on the threat perception and national security the investments will be allowed.
Is it good that Chinese are investing in India with having huge poor population ? but i think it would be good that if Chinese are investing in India and India are investing back in China and both nations uplifting people together and going forward towards development.
 

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why is there a need to take sides?

this is business, so both can be done at the same time.
Geopolitics aside, after India's blocking access of Huawei and ZTE and banning WeChat app. etc. is it quite naive to say it's only "business"?

Practically capital flows where it feels friendly and evades hostile environments (i.e. taking side). What's being made in Pakistan is protected (port, roads, energy) on the the track with enormous tangible returns. In the same vein Chinese investors head to other friendly countries Cambodia alike when labor intensive industries get sluggish in China. In all this the state plays a guiding role for maximizing strategic gains.
 

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now Indians welcome Chinese investment?

be careful, my Indian fellows, we wont finance Indian infrastructure for nothing.

one of the main sectors that China wants to invest in is Indian railway because we are pushing for our high speed railway technology. we lend you the money and build the railway for you, you use our technology.

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now Indians welcome Chinese investment?

be careful, my Indian fellows, we wont finance Indian infrastructure for nothing.

one of the main sectors that China wants to invest in is Indian railway because we are pushing for our high speed railway technology. we lend you the money and build the railway for you, you use our technology.

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Sorry we will not use Chinese technology... too risky... the whole infrustructure will come down crumbling... Railways ?? it will be no go area for China....
 

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Geopolitics aside, after India's blocking access of Huawei and ZTE and banning WeChat app. etc. is it quite naive to say it's only "business"?

Practically capital flows where it feels friendly and evades hostile environments (i.e. taking side). What's being made in Pakistan is protected (port, roads, energy) on the the track with enormous tangible returns. In the same vein Chinese investors head to other friendly countries Cambodia alike when labor intensive industries get sluggish in China. In all this the state plays a guiding role for maximizing strategic gains.
Why China has blocked Indian Pharma companies doing business ??
 

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now Indians welcome Chinese investment?

be careful, my Indian fellows, we wont finance Indian infrastructure for nothing.

one of the main sectors that China wants to invest in is Indian railway because we are pushing for our high speed railway technology. we lend you the money and build the railway for you, you use our technology.

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Chinese are offering investment to India because Japanese are warming up relations with India and here its business as well as improvement of relations and working together in the region too.
 

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Where is the generosity here ??

Chinese are willing to invest in India since they get more returns. There are many nations who want to invest in India.
No other country is willing to invest as much as china. Maybe generosity is not the right word here but it is a positive thing.
 

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Good news,but we must make no compromises in our interests for this investment.It will be prudent to keep the chinese away from the border states near it.
Where you are seeing compromises in ours interest for this investment ? 17 rounds of talk have held good results .
 

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Large scale investments may provide the chinese with arm twisting leverage,not to mention that they can buy influence in our country.We Indians dont have the best track record for honesty and patriotism.
The border talks are just an exercise in nothing, like peace talk with pak.The GOI is spineless in front of chinese and constantly displays its cowardice.
You are wrong about Indians, when its about nation then the whole nation stand together to defend the sovereignty of the nation.

Border talks with China are important and here its Chinese who are seeing the changing realities in the region and regarding Pakistan peace talks , Pakistanis have even change its stand towards India . regional countries are working together
 

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That is why it will be delayed to examine and authenticate the PRC offer and its sincerity get more bargain and access to PRC
Certainly, this is business, bargain and valuation are necessary for both sides.

and also to increase the value of the PRC-Pakistan relationship disruption in favor of India.
Please stop wishful thinking. Pakistan is different market with different potential. Eating dinner in a restaurant doesn't make the nearby butcher shop less attractive.

300 billion is a investment not gift. Investment means returns and PRC is betting on India. Do you think they are the only ones.
PRC certainly is not the only one, but no one else is willing to offer financing your infrastructure in such scale.
 

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Leave about investment of China in Pakistan for a moment, India is about to invest 1 Trillion in the next 5 years. The amount is from center and also from FDIs.
India is planning to invest 1 trillion in the next 5 years as its other ambitious plans in last 20 years. Whether or not it can get such amount money from center and FDIs is still a BIG question.
 

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I disagree,history both recent and older points to the contrary.Many Indians just join hands with the enemy rather than stand up for the nation.The brits were able to rule the subcontinent because the people of the subcontinent preferred to fight among themselves and join hands with the british.Even now it is mostly the same.During the recent devyani stand off,there were a good number of Indians who took the american side,many of them were NRIs or american fanboys or even the average,supposed to be neutral Indian.How about the Tamils and their intense pride.. going so far as to work contrary to our national interest and freeing the murderers of a former Indian PM.
Border talks with china are useless as they have not and most probably will not yield results we want.The pakis are just the same,sending terrorists to India and doing every kind of ant India activity.The recent posturing of theirs is just because they have finally begun seeing that they are no match for us and want to buy time to recover from the terrorist blows in their country and their messed up economy.As soon as things get better,they will be back to their usual routine.The chinese?The GOI might as well declare we are vassal state of china and try to be china's running dog and boot licker.
You can go with history here i am talking about present India . The Diplomat issue is a diplomatic one which is between countries and it got extra attention because of the coming general elections in both India and America and even the same case is with freeing of tamil convicts. Pakistan itself trying to recover from internal problem and terrorism level is down in Kashmir according to latest government 77% down. Border talks with China are important as its about the peace in the whole region.
 

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