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Lets not mince words here. The message is simple. Hu Jintao just stated that if the Indian Navy comes into South China Sea, there will be a naval combat. I am thrilled. We may lose our ships there but I am pretty certain that PLAN will loose more ships than us.

But if there is conflict, it does not end there does it? If our commercial interests are attacked then the only counter is that Chinese commercial interests are attacked too.
The straits of Malacca should be closed for business indefinitely until the crisis is resolved and we resume drilling. The Chinese workers in Hambantota should be allowed 24 hours to pack their bags. Same with the port in Myanmar.

If international intervention results in a ceasefire and a UN resolution calls for stoppage in drilling in SCS, Malacca can be reopened but none of China's string of Pearls should be allowed to resume, ever. That includes a naval blockade of Gwadhar.
 

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You should be a writer instead with your imaginations.
Oh, I will be. Glad to see I manage to set your pulse racing with every post of mine. Does your blood boil reading my posts? Would you rip my eyes off their sockets if you could? Or are you just pissed like hell that it is easy for people to call CCP's bluff?
 

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Defensive Realism in the Indian Ocean: Oil, Sea Lanes and the Security Dilemma
Jason J. Blazevic


As the Indian Ocean's role as a conduit of vital resources grows, so does the propensity for regional powers to exert their influence in this arena. This is particularly true for India and China, whose rising economies are dependent on the steady flow of imported resources, most importantly oil. In China, this is not just an issue of economic growth, but of the longevity of the Communist Party, which depends on economic growth to bolster its legitimacy and maintain domestic stability. As such, China's leaders have looked to strategies to ensure continued energy supplies, which depend on clear sea lanes of transportation in the Indian Ocean and transit points, such as the Strait of Malacca. Chinese leaders fear that adversaries could blockade sea lanes and strategic bottlenecks such as the Strait, thereby devastating China's economy.[1]

According to defensive realism, the only way to counteract such vulnerability is to pursue ambitious military and diplomatic strategies to increase security. In attempting to solve this dilemma, Chinese leaders have expanded the scope of the country's interests by modifying the concept of "active defense" and its tenet of "offshore defense."[2] This gradual transformation of offshore defense is embodied by the extension of China's national interests in a growing and developing "security boundary" comprising "distant ocean defense,"[3] along with the requisite naval modernization. In the eyes of India, which has similar concerns over energy supplies, China's actions appear to be a power maximization strategy that will inevitably impinge upon its interests. This may induce India to engage in similar behavior. A security dilemma may ensue in which a series of reactive security strategies destabilize relations between all major powers in the region.

The Tenets of Realism

Realism asserts that all nations act within an international system of anarchy. This absence of central authority or government is the cause of "enduring propensity for conflict between states."[4] The system is characterized by the belief in threat of force to compel certain behavior of nations. Power is sought, enhanced and expanded through arms and unilateralism. Realism sees an endless competition to ensure national survival.[5] Kenneth Waltz stipulates the critical tenets of survival as a constant preoccupation with the possibility of conflict, counteracting those threats and never letting one's guard down.[6] Deterrence, containment, power alliances and balance of power politics are the hallmarks of realism.[7] The importance of such aspects is magnified by geography and access to resources, which further complicate international relations. Indeed, nations are competitive actors pursuing their key national interests: national security and survival.

More recently realism has evolved into "an offensive and defensive branch."[8] According to defensive realism, nations gain power for self-preservation; in offensive realism states further increase their capabilities to project power.[9] Defensive realism predicts that when nations feel threatened they will pursue ambitious military, economic and diplomatic strategies to increase their security. When a defensive realist nation pursues such strategies, other nations often misconstrue them as threats of force leading to their own pursuit of similar strategies, further decreasing collective security. This type of mirroring can lead to a reciprocal cycle of action and reaction.[10] Thus, in the long run, strategies meant to buttress national security can actually undermine it.[11] According to offensive realism nations attempt to amplify their influence, particularly when they have the power to do so. Essentially the amplification of influence is "power maximization," or the idea that a nation will project its influence into any sphere that could increase its absolute power.[12] Similarly, Stephen Brooks explains that nations will constantly attempt to "advance their power over other nations, taking military advantage of weaker states whenever they have the chance."[13]

Acquiring power can cause increased insecurity among opposing nations. Even defensive realist strategies intended to increase state security often lead to a security dilemma, what Benjamin Friedman and Harvey Sapolsky refer to as "You Never Knowism."[14] Indeed, strategies meant to head off indefinite and unknown threats before they arrive may inadvertently lead to further instability.[15] This type of behavior influences many nations to believe that they "do not enjoy even an imperfect guarantee of their own security unless they set out to provide it for themselves."[16] China's evolving strategies to buttress its perceived insecurity reflect the paradox of the defense realism behavior. If China and its competitors repeatedly interpret each other's defensive actions to be offensive in nature, a cycle of mirror reactions may ensue, continuously escalating tensions between them—potentially even to the point of conflict.

Fighting for a Piece of the Pie

While China's economy is dependent on many imported resources, oil is a particularly strong motivator for the expansion of its defensive perimeter. China's oil imports grew at an average rate of 9.1 percent annually from 1993 to 1998 and consumption reached 7.9 MBD (million barrels per day) in 2008.[17] The International Energy Agency projects a near doubling of imports to 15 MBD by 2020.[18] This spike in consumption is compounded by an 18 percent drop in the estimates of domestic reserves and further calculations of production decline from a high of 4 MBD by 2010, before gradually decreasing.[19]

To address the growing shortfall, China has stepped up imports and encouraged its national oil companies (NOCs) to seek concessions abroad, particularly in the Middle East, Africa and Central Asia. China's 1994 "Westbound Strategy" called for economic and political expansion into resource rich regions to facilitate resource acquirement. Premier Li Peng's 1997 "Policy on Energy Resources"expanded the "Westbound Strategy"by utilizing "any and all means including lobbying, financial aid and information exchange to achieve the broader goal of diversifying the sources of China's energy supply."[21] Peng stated, "While striving to develop our own crude oil and natural gas resources, we have to use some foreign resources."[22]

Since 1994 imports have continued to rise. By 2007, Middle Eastern exports accounted for 78 percent of China's total imports and are expected to reach 80 percent by 2010.[23] Saudi Arabia has become the largest Middle Eastern oil exporter to China as well as the top oil exporter in total to China in 2005, 2007 and 2008. Meanwhile, Chinese NOCs have achieved mounting success in attaining contracts for oil field exploration and development, particularly in Africa,[24] but these shipments are also restricted to the same vulnerable sea lanes as incoming Middle Eastern oil. China seeks to repair that dilemma by pursuing a "security of supply."

According to realism, however, the supply security that China seeks can only be attained with corresponding political and military power. Chinese leaders fear that as the country changes from "relative dependence to one of absolute dependence" upon imported oil, national security will be increasingly threatened.[26] Defensive realism predicts that when nations feel their security threatened they will pursue ambitious economic, diplomatic and military strategies. Indeed, much of the rhetoric on oil security in China seems to follow this line of reasoning. Zhang Yuncheng of the Beijing Chinese Institute of Contemporary International Relations explains simply, "Whoever controls the Strait of Malacca and the Indian Ocean could block China's oil transport route."[27] According to statements from President Hu Jintao, "certain major powers" have attempted to dominate the strait, which could constitute a major crisis for China.[28] According to PLA General Wen Zongren, an aspect of China's ambitious military strategy should entail development of a powerful "blue" water navy to "break out" of coastal waters to enable China's development.[29] A powerful navy will be able to enhance development by protecting sea lanes and ensuring geographic access to oil-rich regions, including those with Chinese concessions.[30] This aim is increasingly a critical tenet of security, as explained by President Hu, who advocates a powerful navy to "uphold our maritime rights and interests."[31] Whether or not those rights and interests include far-flung ocean passages is not clear; nonetheless, sea lane control could become a "necessity" for current and future Chinese oil interests, as well as national development and modernization.[32]

The expansion of the security boundary for oil is aided by the Peoples Liberation Army Navy's (PLAN) increasing capability to project force.[33] The PLAN has purchased Sovremennyy destroyers, Kilo-class submarines, anti-submarine sonar and multiple-target torpedo control systems, as well as undersea cruise missile technology.[34] It has meanwhile constructed its own Luyang I and II destroyers, as well as Jiangkai I and II frigates. Additionally, the navy plans to expand its submarine fleet by adding seventeen new "stealthy diesel submarines" by 2010 and has added three modern nuclear (ballistic missile capable) submarines.[35] The PLAN is also considering building multiple aircraft carriers and associated ships by 2020. Ministry of National Defense spokesman Senior Colonel Huang Xueping explained that, "the aircraft carrier is a symbol of a country's overall national strength, as well as the competitiveness of the country's naval force." Director of the Ministry of National Defense, Foreign Affairs Office, Major General Qian Lihua similarly stated, "having an aircraft carrier is the dream of any great military power."[36] More than a symbol and a dream, an aircraft carrier would greatly inrease China's ability to project power away from its shores.

Power, One Pearl at a Time

While China's dreams of a powerful blue-water navy are still in dry dock, some analysts claim that Beijing has already hatched a potent strategy for power projection in the Indian Ocean. The "pearls strategy," a term which originated in a report by US defense contractor Booz Allen Hamilton (BAH), refers to the extension of PLAN power through ports leased and acquired from Myanmar, Sri Lanka and Pakistan.[37] According to the BAH report, "China is building strategic relationships along the sea lanes from the Middle East to the South China Sea in a way that suggests defensive and offensive positioning to protect China's energy interests."[38] In the BAH paradigm, a pearl entails the construction of new ports, or improvement of those that exist, to serve duel trade and military interests, including supply, refueling and listening stations. As port facilities are attained, the PLAN could press its presence forward from Africa and the Strait of Hormuz to Myanmar and the Strait of Malacca.[39]

It is true that China has had a hand in building or refurbishing several geo-strategically-located ports in the region. In Pakistan, ports at Gwadar and Karachi have undergone extensive improvements and dredging by Chinese companies, as well as the construction of a new highway connecting them. The Gwadar port, referred to by US analysts as the "Chinese Gibraltar," represents $1.2 billion in Chinese investment. China further modernized or constructed ports belonging to Bangladesh, Maldives, Seychelles, Mauritania, Madagascar and Sri Lanka. This includes the $1 billion Sri Lankan port at Hambantota, which is a strategic six nautical miles from major sea lanes between the Bay of Bengal and Arabian Sea. China has also capitalized on a 1992 agreement with Myanmar for the construction of ports at Small and Great Coco Islands in return for the modernization of Myanmar's navy.[40] In addition, Chinese firms constructed or modernized ports at Sittwe, Kyuakpu, Mergui and Hainggyi Island. Some Western analysts claim that the Chinese military also operates reconnaissance and electronic intelligence stations on several islands belonging to Myanmar, though Indian and American intelligence officials have said evidence is lacking.[41]

In spite of the impressive number of projects, few appear to have notable military resources. Moreover, even if China does intend to use the pearls for military purposes, its access to them in a time of conflict is doubtful. While Beijing has tried to cement ties with host countries through infrastructure projects and arms sales, its alliances and influence in the region remain relatively weak. China's relationships with Pakistan and Myanmar are far from solidified and cannot be taken for granted.[42] Pakistan, which is increasingly reliant on American economic and military aid, attempts to balance relations between China and the United States, seeing both as vital partners.[43] Though Myanmar has been the recipient of much Chinese aid, it has also been careful not to become overly reliant on any one patron. The junta leadership has proved skillful at building relationships with Japan and India to offset reliance on China. For instance, Myanmar is working towards agreements which will allow the Indian navy to use its ports at Sittwe and Dawei.[44] If China does indeed harbor a "tripartite strategy" of diplomacy, forward naval bases and greater naval presence, it is far from realization and its near-term aspirations in the Indian Ocean will be limited.[45] Moreover, it is not clear why China would bet its oil security on outposts in the Indian Ocean when US interdiction would probably occur in the Persian Gulf, Strait of Hormuz and Arabian Sea, long before the shipments reach the strategic sea lanes.[46] As China is surely aware of these realities, its intentions to rely on these ports for military strength are far from proven.

Tangled Perceptions

Whether or not China is actively utilizing the pearls, or plans to in the future, India perceives Chinese actions as power maximization, which could lead to a "reordering of the balance of power" in the Indian Ocean.[47] India fears that China's political influence, military modernization and forward basing strategy will be used to contain India as China ascends as the pre-eminent Asian power.[48] They fear that Chinese intentions are combative, power seeking and against peaceful co-existence.[49] Indian leaders further speculate that China is trying to rapidly achieve hegemony in the Indian Ocean while it enjoys a position of strength. They comprehend China's strategies as opportunistic, arising from weak and ineffective Indian attempts at deterrence and balancing.[50] Similarly, John Mearsheimer states, "A great power that has a marked power advantage over its rivals is likely to behave more aggressively because it has the capability, as well as, the incentive to do so."[51] Offensive realism concurs in positing that a nation may formulate policies that increase its relative power compared to its nearest competitor in order to acquire more power.[52]

Like China, India also faces a change from relative dependence to one of absolute dependence on oil imports and seeks secure sea lanes and geographic access to oil. India relies upon the same sea lanes for shipments of oil originating in Egypt, Sudan, Nigeria, Iraq, Iran and Myanmar. Similar to China, India fears that its access to oil shipments could be abrogated in a time of conflict.[53] In 2005, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh stated, "China is ahead of us in planning for its energy security, India can no longer be so complacent."[54]

In line with the realist school of thought, Indian leaders appear to advocate political and military power corresponding to its oil security and thus, have pursued ambitious economic, diplomatic and military strategies.[55] The Indian Navy plans for a fleet of 130 vessels comprising "three aircraft carrier battle groups, by 2020" and has created the Far Eastern Naval Command (FENC), headquartered at Port Blair, Andaman Islands, which sits 190 nautical miles from China's facilities at Great Coco Island.[56] India has also constructed dual-use ports at Dawei, Myanmar and Chabahar, Iran and is presently constructing the Sethu Samudram Shipping Canal. Indian national security is seemingly no longer concerned with only the sub-continent, but is part of a growing and developing security boundary comprising nearby states, seas and the Indian Ocean.[57]

In the mid-1990s, India began pursuing an ambitious strategy of using the United States as a possible counterweight against Chinese aspirations.[58] In 1995, India and the United States signed the Agreed Minute on Defense Relations, which authorized joint combating of terrorism, as well as other regional crises. The Indian and US militaries began conducting joint operations such as "COPE India" in 2005, to strengthen combat skill and hasten a stronger and quicker response to probable crises in the region. Over 25 joint training exercises were held between 2002 and 2005, leading up to the New Framework for the US-India Defense Relationship (NFDR).[59] The NFDR charts a long-range course for India-US defense relations and facilitates increased military ties, joint weapons production, and cooperation in missile defense. NFDR also combines efforts to defeat terrorism and curb the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, along with enhancing the security of trade within the region's land, air and sea lanes.[60]

However, India's strategies could lead to a security dilemma plagued by uncertainty and misassumption over real or imagined intentions. China may comprehend Indian moves as aggressive and could "mistakenly believe that aggression is the only way to make their state secure," which justifies further investment in military solutions.[62] Although Indian leaders such as Manmohan Singh have continuously emphasized India's military weakness, China feels militarily disadvantaged in the Indian Ocean due to the India-US alliance, as well as Indian naval strength.[63] This predicament has led China to perceive Indian strategies as emanating from offensive realism and has further nudged Beijing to expand its security boundary. The confused perceptions of each other's intentions could set in motion a chain of reactions escalating toward a zero-sum contest.[64]

Relations between China and India will likely continue to emanate from defensive realism, but relations can be less difficult through increasing political and military transparency. Both nations have started this process by engaging in joint naval exercises in 2003, 2005 and 2007, signing a Memorandum of Understanding on Defense Cooperation in 2006, engaging in ministerial visits, calling at each others' ports and engaging in counterterrorism exercises.[65] There has also been discussion, although nothing more, on co-developing energy projects in the region—in Sudan, for example—and the shared use of ports.[66] Perhaps these developments can be a step in the direction of recognizing the Indian Ocean and its sea lanes as part of the international commons, utilized by many nations rather than as part of a strategic competition. However, this approach will also require the participation of third parties, who have been drawn into tangled alliances with the two countries. Though a more rational and reasoned approach between China and India appears to be triumphing at the moment, the two nations can continue to improve relations by giving heed to the security dilemma, while simultaneously showing a sincere readiness to engage in transparent discourse and diplomacy. Such transparency may lead to a de-emphasis of the security boundary's more confrontational military and diplomatic strategies and toward greater conciliation and cooperation.

Jason J. Blazevic is currently completing a doctorate in Political Science at Idaho State University.
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Quite a long read, but its is worth the trouble given China's clear intentions for the first time!
 

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China's Indian Ocean 'String of Pearls' Is No Military Threat — At Least for Now
Ashley S. Townshend | September 20, 2011


With the Western world mired in a debt crisis, the rise of China's military appears more threatening than ever. The recent launch of China's first aircraft carrier will only add to regional anxieties. But a closer examination shows that at least one aspect of China's supposed military prowess — its alleged creation of far-ranging naval facilities, the so-called "string of pearls" strategy — can be discounted as fevered imagination.

Coined in a classified 2005 Booz-Allen report, the shibboleth is widely used to describe China's purported plan to establish naval bases and intelligence stations throughout South Asia. Adherents of this perspective argue Beijing has spent the past decade trying to forge closer diplomatic relations with many Indian Ocean nations. China has signed multimillion dollar aid, trade and defense deals in capitals across the region, while Chinese state-owned corporations have financed commercial ports in Pakistan (Gwadar), Sri Lanka (Hambantota and Colombo), Bangladesh (Chittagong) and Burma (Sittwe and Kyaukpyu).

Viewed alongside the large-scale naval modernization program being undertaken by China's army and navy many worry that these trade-oriented ports could be upgraded into permanent naval bases. In a worst-case scenario, Beijing could use these bases to threaten India's security, menace global sea lanes and challenge the United States for regional naval primacy.

This assessment is greatly exaggerated.

Crucially, there's no evidence to suggest that the Chinese Navy is involved with these ports. Nor is there any proof to support claims that "listening posts" and "monitoring stations" have been hidden amid the cranes. On the contrary, China's "pearls" appear to be what Beijing says they are: conventional shipping facilities designed to connect China's landlocked western provinces to maritime trade routes in the Indian Ocean.

This doesn't mean they lack strategic value. The South Asian harbors and their overland conduits to China will permit some Chinese-bound tankers to offload Persian Gulf oil without having to sail all the way to East Asian waters. Such arrangements will reduce China's dependence on precarious shipping routes through the Malacca Strait "chokepoint," where Beijing fears that its tankers could be blockaded by US warships already deployed to the region. In the name of energy security, such facilities offer a degree of flexibility for China's otherwise vulnerable Indian Ocean supply lines — across which roughly 80 percent of Beijing's imported crude must travel.

Even if China's leaders were contemplating militarizing these "pearls," there are serious doubts about the feasibility of such a scheme.

Diplomatically, Beijing would find it difficult to convince its South Asian counterparts that hosting naval bases is in their best interests. As "swing players" in an emerging Indo-Pacific "great game," the littoral states of the Indian Ocean stand to gain more by oscillating between Beijing, New Delhi and Washington than by aligning with any one of the three. Indeed, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Pakistan and Burma already enjoy lucrative economic and military relations with two or more of Asia's competing great powers — often leveraging their financiers' strategic anxieties to advance their own national objectives.

Whatever sweeteners China might offer, it's hard to imagine that any South Asian regime would jeopardize this geopolitical flexibility for a Chinese military base and political blessing from Beijing. While some, notably Pakistan, may be tempted to provide berthing rights to Chinese warships, such moves would fall short of granting China sovereign naval bases.

Establishing a "string of pearls" would face serious practical obstacles. Transforming commercial ports into defendable forward bases requires high levels of technical, logistical and strategic expertise. Despite China's growing naval proficiency, the demands of this strategic task would probably exceed China's capabilities for at least another decade. Beijing's navy has little experience in force projection, joint operations or sophisticated intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance. It would be hard pressed to fortify distant bases with local air defenses, mine-clearing assets or munitions storage facilities, and is likely to be handicapped by its inflexible command structure. It would find it almost impossible to defend isolated naval bases from cruise-missile strikes or airborne attacks by potential US or Indian adversaries. While these scenarios seem highly unlikely, they still beg the question: Why would China invest billions in South Asian bases that would be impotent during wartime?

The answer, many argue, is that Beijing's base-building ambitions are largely defensive in nature — designed to offset China's sea-lane vulnerabilities by deploying naval assets to challenge rivals' sea lanes. Acutely aware of the strangulation threat Indian and US forces pose to Beijing's Indo-Pacific energy supply lines, some Chinese strategists have advocated offshore naval bases as a means of protecting China's economic interests. As forward bases would permit Chinese warships to wield some "tit-for-tat" coercive power over Indian and American vessels, Beijing's modest objective would be to project limited sea power for deterrence — not to position itself for great power confrontations.

Yet China is unlikely to achieve even this limited goal. As the power balance is tilted in favor of Washington and New Delhi, Beijing's capacity to influence international sea lanes remains grossly inferior. While India and the United States boast multiple carrier strike-groups, nuclear submarines and experienced blue-water fleets, China's nascent navy is only beginning to project power abroad. Even if Chinese warships were one day able to contest Indian Ocean sea lanes, the US Fifth Fleet would still hold a geopolitical advantage, exercising, as it does, near-total control over access to the Persian Gulf V— the source of China's hydrocarbon lifeline.

But in 30 years, might a militarized "string of pearls" form part of a longer-term strategy to project Chinese strategic weight west of Malacca?

While current geopolitical and military obstacles appear unlikely to be overcome any time soon, it's true that Beijing's Indian Ocean objectives are not purely commercial. Chinese leaders are reticent to continue outsourcing their nation's sea lane security to US and Indian flotillas. As concerns about energy security intensify, Beijing will likely seek a more permanent naval presence in the Indian Ocean.

At a minimum, this will require access to deep-water ports for vessels to refuel and possibly refit. This could, of course, be achieved by negotiating long-term berthing arrangements at various South Asian ports. Yet it would be foolish to ignore the strategic advantages of full-fledged naval bases. In the future, a stronger China may well make this calculation. While Beijing's proclivity for financing commercial ports does not necessarily portend this worrisome future, China's stake in well-situated South Asian harbors offers a number of ship-ready options for eventual expansion.

Whatever naval facilities are developed, it's difficult to envisage a scenario in which Beijing would be willing to undermine maritime security in the Indian Ocean. China is destined to face mounting energy demands, compelling it to acquire new resources, trade routes and the means to defend both. Dependence on seaborne energy supplies is likely to instill in Beijing – like the United States , India and other maritime powers – a powerful incentive for stability at sea.

While the myth of a Chinese "string of pearls" will continue to trouble US and Indian analysts, it's important to recall that all Indo-Pacific states depend on unfettered Indian Ocean trade. Asia's greatest challenge is not to position naval forces in preparation for conflict, but to defuse maritime tensions for the sake of regional order.

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Ashley S. Townshend is a research associate at the Lowy Institute for International Policy in Sydney and a former visiting fellow at the Strategic and Defense Studies Center at Australian National University.

China's Indian Ocean 'String of Pearls' Is No Military Threat — At Least for Now | The Jakarta Globe
Has the statement from China herald the 'Now' and the threat that was imagined as exaggerated has finally arrived on the horizon?
 

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Oh, I will be. Glad to see I manage to set your pulse racing with every post of mine. Does your blood boil reading my posts? Would you rip my eyes off their sockets if you could? Or are you just pissed like hell that it is easy for pele to call CCP's bluff?
Will a simple no be answer enough for your dellusions? This is pure entwr
 

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Will a simple no be answer enough for your dellusions? This is pure entwr
I may be delusional, but you are the one getting agitated.8)

If we extend that thought a bit, CCP is also getting quite agitated. Now what we have to see is if the dog has teeth.
 

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I may be delusional, but you are the one getting agitated.8)

If we extend that thought a bit, CCP is also getting quite agitated. Now what we have to see is if the dog has teeth.
According to you,of course. Judging from your long novel we know who are the agitated one here, ha. Considering the history, it is india who need to show some teeths, ha.
 

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According to you,of course. Judging from your long novel we know who are the agitated one here, ha. Considering the history, it is india who need to show some teeths, ha.
Considering what history? I dont remember us backing off from a brawl. We are in SCS. We already told your PM that we are going to drill there. Our navy chief already stated that our assets will be defended. Your move.
 

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Lets not mince words here. The message is simple. Hu Jintao just stated that if the Indian Navy comes into South China Sea, there will be a naval combat. I am thrilled. We may lose our ships there but I am pretty certain that PLAN will loose more ships than us.
China may or may not loose more ships than us. But if the Chinese sink our ship or assets in South China sea, it stands to loose something far more important. Loose trust of SE Asian countries. Imagine Japan, S. Korea, ASEAN, India along with US all getting together once China stops even paying lip-service to its "peaceful rise" bogey!

Currently, the biggest enemy that China has is its foreign affairs ministry. As CCP has failed to curb its bravado, let the show begin!
 

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China may or may not loose more ships than us. But if the Chinese sink our ship or assets in South China sea, it stands to loose something far more important. Loose trust of SE Asian countries. Imagine Japan, S. Korea, ASEAN, India along with US all getting together once China stops even paying lip-service to its "peaceful rise" bogey!

Currently, the biggest enemy that China has is iwre ts foreign affairs ministry. As CCP has failed to curb its bravado, let the show begin!
Theres are many things China could do short of sinking an indian ship. I have trouble imagine that China will do that without provocations. So far, this has never happend. So why should China do it now? Remember this conflict has been going on for decades. So far it has not been enforced by PLAN. It may never be a confrontation for all we know.

Aside from some sensational media coverage, I am pretty sure CCP has always played down the military capacity. Not sure where the bravado come from. Maybe you are reading too much into what the media says, and not what the chinese military actually says.
 
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theres is many things China could do short of sinking an indian ship. Remember this has been going on for decades. So far it is not enforced by PLAN. It may never be a confrontation for all we know.
try it chicom, we dare ya'. Unlike the Soviet ruskbuckets painted new, our's are actually more potent than you imagine.
 

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According to you,of course. Judging from your long novel we know who are the agitated one here, ha. Considering the history, it is india who need to show some teeths, ha.

You mean the way , we hold the land claimed by you, you mean the way we let Tibet simmer with Tibet Exile government. Its called a Giant edited SGN....You went back from wherever you came from before our forces actually came there. It was 80,000 to 12000 Soldiers, you chicom....by the time the real large Indian force came, you idiots ran back to Tibet.
 

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Considering what history? I dont remember us backing off from a brawl. We are in SCS. We already told your PM that we are going to drill there. Our navy chief already stated that our assets will be defended. Your move.
Of course you dont remember, he he.
I will believe it when i see it. India sending navy ships to SCS, ha.
 

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You mean the way , we hold the land claimed by you, you mean the way we let Tibet simmer with Tibet Exile government. Its called a Giant FUCK YOU SGN....You went back from wherever you came from before our forces actually came there. It was 80,000 to 12000 Soldiers, you chicom....by the time the real large Indian force came, you idiots ran back to Tibet.
Tibet simmer with Tibet exile government? What are you smoking, kid?

By the time your force came, PLA left because of boredom. Not their problem if you were so slow. It was not chess, not gonna wait for you for ever.

If you are so tough, why not get it back? They are still in Chinas hands. Anyway i am not interest in what happend decades ago. Have fun playing internet warrior, kid, obviously it is all you can do.
 
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China's New Airplane Seems Designed By Batman

These funny americans。。。:rofl:

By Jesus Diaz, Dec 6, 2011 10:34 AM



This is the newest Chinese drone. It seems much more advanced than what anyone imagined. Apparently, Bruce Wayne is now working for the Chinese military, which is pushing hard trying to match the US industry capabilities. They're getting close.

They seem to be working in two variants of this drone. The first one is called Crossbow, the stealth model. The second is called Wing Blade—pictured here. It adds extended wings and winglets to the Crossbow design.

There's no more information about the drone, but I will not be surprised to see it flying in a few years. While they are still behind the United States' military power, the West can't underestimate the incredibly fast evolving Chinese aerospace industry. Heck, give them a RQ-170 Sentinel and they will have their drones flying in a year.

China's New Airplane Seems Designed By Batman
 

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Judging from past history? Korea, Sino-India,Vietnam? You, sir, sure know your history!
You should not be the one telling others reading history when your own knowledge is so poor and blinded by CCP nationalism.We know our history as we don't base knowledge by CCP censored data.But the question is do you know your history?
Do you remember your failed adventure against India in 1967 and 1987 ... if you don't know Arunachal Pradesh accepted coming in India in 1986 which extremely irritated China and it is crying about it even today.

But I guess Japan is enough for you to remember or do you need to be reminded of wars with all of your neighbours? Don't worry I won't add countries like Norway,Germany etc.No wonder so many countries are getting annoyed by this "peaceful rise" of China which is actually a "chinese arrogance" in disguise.
 

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