China, Israel take steps to resume military ties

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Officials said China and Israel have decided to resume reciprocal visits as well as discussions on military cooperation. They said the cooperation would not include Israeli arms sales to China.
“This is the first sparks of a relationship that has been frozen for several years,” an official said.
Military sources said the visit by the Chinese delegation was not linked to the current Israeli tensions with the United States over Jewish construction in Jerusalem. They said the visit had been scheduled in 2009.

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But the sources did not rule out the prospect that the Chinese visit could lead to a resumption of military cooperation with Israel. They said they did not know of high-level Chinese military visits planned for later 2010.
On March 21, Israel’s military hosted a senior Chinese Defense Ministry official. Col. Huang Xueping, spokesman for the ministry and Chinese military, began a four-day visit to Israel, where he was briefed on the operations of the Israeli military spokesman’s office.
“The Chinese delegation will be presented with the public-relations lessons learnt during the Second Lebanon War and during Operation Cast Lead,” the Israeli military said on March 22. “Additionally, they will learn about the IDF School for Media’s training system and the integration of spokesmanship and operational planning.”
The statement said the Chinese delegation would tour the border with the Gaza Strip and visit military units. Huang has been accompanied by several aides, including a colonel in the Chinese Defense Ministry.
The visit was said to have been the first in years that dealt with military cooperation between China and Israel. In 2005, defense and military cooperation between Beijing and Jerusalem was suspended in wake of U.S. pressure on the Jewish state to cancel an unmanned aerial vehicle program for China’s military. Israel paid more than $300 million in fines and compensation for the canceled project.

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“The delegation is also due to visit other military units and will be briefed on the IDF’s activity in Judea and Samaria, with an emphasis on the quality of life of the Palestinian population and the media-related issues that are dealt with on a daily basis,” the statement said.
Still, the Chinese military delegation has been accompanied by that of senior political leaders. On March 24, Chinese Vice Premier Hui Liangyu was scheduled to hold talks with Israel leaders in Jerusalem. Hui marked the highest-level Chinese official to visit Israel in 2010.
“The visit will focus on the need to impose sanctions on Iran,” the official said.

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Something that I mentioned in the thread where an Israeli delegations went to china to put pressure on iran and support sanctions against iran. The report in that thread mentioned that a chinese general would travel to israel to see its capabilities. It sounded strange to me so I mentioned there that it could well be that israel is dangling defense tech to the chinese for their support on iran.

I was justified in thinking that way after all.
 

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So let me guess , they need Israile help on something.

So the US will let this go through , till they find out what it is they need.

then put break on the deal.

Like they did with Phalcon AWACS
 

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On the contrary, US blinks so that chinese support is secured so that the immediate goal on iran is fulfilled.
 

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The visit was said to have been the first in years that dealt with military cooperation between China and Israel. In 2005, defense and military cooperation between Beijing and Jerusalem was suspended in wake of U.S. pressure on the Jewish state to cancel an unmanned aerial vehicle program for China’s military. Israel paid more than $300 million in fines and compensation for the canceled project.
In fact Israel has always been friendly to China. Lots of Jews sought asylum in China during WW-2. parents of Ehud Olmert, former prime minister of Israel were born in Harbin, China. Israel was one of the earliest states to recognize PRC. But China declined to establish diplomatic ties with the State of Israel at that time in support of the 'Palestinian cause'.

Strategically Israel needs China at the world stage though having to look up to big boss Uncle Sam.



Defense Ministry continues to ban security exports to China

By Yossi Melman


When it comes to formulating Israel's overall policy on China, the way it usually works has been upended. In general, we are used to the Ministry of Defense, as the representative of the defense industries, supporting, initiating, advancing and promoting arms deals, while it is the Foreign Ministry, in the name of a broad and comprehensive vision, that tries to prevent or suspend them for fear of a deleterious impact on Israel's foreign relations.

When it comes to China, though, things are different. In this case, it's the Defense Ministry that will bar any consideration of a deal, even one still in its earliest stages, for defense-related exports to China. "In this matter, Israel has capitulated completely to American dictates," says Prof. Yitzhak Shichor, a China expert at the University of Haifa. Having been burned in the twice in the past, the ministry now exercises extreme caution when it comes to China.

The first scalding took place in 2000, when under heavy American pressure and threats of damage to Israel's defense industries, then prime minister and defense minister Ehud Barak ordered the cancellation of the Phalcon venture, for the production of advance warning jets for China. Israel even had to pay China some $400 million in compensation. China's leader at the time, Jiang Zemin, behaved as if he had been personally offended, and he ordered the implementation of a policy to punish Israel, which in effect meant a downgrading of diplomatic and financial ties. Four years later, Israel was burned again, once more offending the U.S. and insulting the Chinese. When Israel undertook to repaired Harpy drones for China, Washington saw this as a deceitful action on Israel's part and a serious violation of the understandings between the two countries. This time the U.S. did not make do with merely voicing its protest, but intervened directly and bluntly in Israeli domestic policy. It demanded the removal from their positions of Defense Ministry director general Amos Yaron and its security chief Yehiel Horev, as they were the ones the U.S. responsible for the actions.

Indeed the two men in the end did leave their jobs. But the U.S. did not stop there. In response to American pressure, the ministry also established a special department to oversee defense exports.

Since these two incidents and the creation of the department, the Defense Ministry has exercised extreme caution. China, says a diplomatic official, long ago forgave Israel for the offenses and is ready to resume defense ties. The Foreign Ministry is advocating a careful and measured policy. But Defense is standing firm in its position. It is unwilling to approve not only deals for the sale of weapons systems, but also the marketing of basic knowledge or technology to China.

The most obvious test case is the Olympics. After the Chinese initially thought they could rely on themselves alone, they realized they would need knowledge and assistance from experienced countries in order to improve the security of the Beijing Olympiad. They were in fact willing to accept help from any possible source, including Israel. Then foreign minister Silvan Shalom visited China in November 2004 and spoke with his hosts about integrating Israeli companies into ventures and contracts relating to the Olympic games and the Chinese responded in the affirmative.

Then prime minister Ariel Sharon himself told the Chinese that Israel was interested in getting involved in the ventures, and again the reaction was favorable. None of that prevented the Defense Ministry from stepping in and made it difficult for any Israeli company or businessman that attempted to obtain an export permit for security know-how destined for the Olympic games.

In the end, Israeli companies lost out on a large market that could have brought in tens of millions of dollars, and only one company, ISDS, managed to sign on as a consultant for Chinese government security agencies. This is in fact a case of the ministry acting "more Catholic than the pope." The situation is especially absurd, considering that American companies themselves, led by General Electric, are supplying knowledge, equipment, experts and technology to secure the games, and benefiting from contracts worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

"China is very interested in technologies from Israel," estimates Prof. Shichor, and therefore is in the company of the Foreign Ministry, which recommends a change in policy toward China. And not just in the matter of defense exports. China is experiencing unprecedented annual economic development, and growth of more than 10 percent a year, and is confidently on the way to becoming the world's largest financial superpower. Every country is trying to get its foot in the door. The balance of trade between Israel and China totals some $5 billion annually. Israel exports $1 billion worth of goods, knowledge and technologies, and purchases $4 billion worth of goods.

"If Israel doesn't make a concerted effort," stresses a Foreign Ministry official, "Israel is likely to lose China." The Defense Ministry declined comment.

After an investigation that went on for some two years, Defense Ministry director general Pinchas Buchris has decided to clear Dr. Avigdor Shafferman, the director general of the Israel Institute for Biological Research in Nes Tziona, of all suspicions.

The episode, first reported extensively in Haaretz at the time, started during Shafferman's trip to the United States in the summer of 2006, at the start of a sabbatical year. Shafferman has for years been trying at the Biological Institute - so far with no success - to develop a vaccine against anthrax derived from weakened bacteria. He was employed as a consultant for a Canadian company that was sold to an American company in the same field. In this capacity, Shafferman was included in the company's stock-options plan. Dr. Yehoshua Gozes, the former head of the institute's workers committee, who was forced to resign a few years ago due to differences of opinion with Shafferman, submitted a complaint to the security chief of the Defense Ministry. Gozes argued that there was reason to believe that Shafferman had a conflict of interests, and had used knowledge and secrets that are the property of the State of Israel for personal objectives and gain. Yehiel Horev, who was the security chief at the time, reviewed the complaint and concluded that the suspicions of criminal violations were unfounded and passed the complaint on to the Civil Service Commission's investigations department. The latter found a suspicion of disciplinary violations and recommended holding a disciplinary hearing for Shafferman. "The prosecutor" for the Civil Service Commission, lawyer Assaf Rosenberg, accepted the recommendation and recommended to the Ministry of Defense that it take action against Shafferman in a disciplinary proceeding, in accordance with section 31 of the Civil Service Law. Buchris, following the recommendation, held a hearing for Shafferman, after which he decided not to try him and closed the investigation file. The Civil Service Commission said that the proceedings were properly handled and legal. But the spokesperson of the Defense Ministry did not respond to a request from Haaretz for the director general's explanation of his decision.
 
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This military cooperation maybe nothing more than preventing China from arming Iran anymore than they already have or helping them in their nuclear program. A similar Israeli delegation visited Russia when they wanted to prevent Russia from further arming Syria.
 

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China has nothing against Israel and quite understandable that Israel must rely on US for its security. Just Israeli over use of force is against the value of Chinese culture. China does not meddle with Israel-Arab issue. The AWACS deal failed because of US pressure but Israel has compensate China with money. Anyways China has the capability and is self-reliable now, so bad thing can turn good.
 

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I still suspicious about the topic that it wont happen.

Israel dont want their high tech goodies go like russian ones.
When they have a reliable partner like india which supports it cause and Big man is keeping his mouth shut on the Israel-Arab issues.

But when taking the geo-political scenario and the relation with the US straining a lot, it is still on the cards
 

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