China hits out at India for leaving it out of the Indian Ocean Naval Symposium
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Thank you for reminding me in your post,and I almost 'side step',for I am so interested in financial issues,on the contrary,I feel upset when I have to discuss the offensive issues.
Now,let us begin.
And you should make clear that,it is US draged us to the mire.The whole world know your famous slogan ---- "Excessive consumption leads to excessive enjoyment"There is nothing wrong with it,but the trouble is now you can't pay for your debt,so you let the whole world pay the bills for you.
Your great CDS has made the investors all around the world burst into cry,and your so called rescue package will make the creditor's rights worth nothing.
And the most interesting of all is that:now you look like a socialist state (a famous western economics said),you are always opposed to government regulation,but your first aid measure is government pay for the bills.
On August 5, 1999, the Allied Forces of NATO fired five missiles at the Chinese embassy in Yugoslavia.Three Chinese died,and more than 20 people were injured.
April 1, 2001, the US spy plane crashing our plane(J-8) right at our doorstep in South China Sea,the Chinese pilot fell into the sea,and his body never been found.
March 9,2009,USNS Impeccable( it is a undersea exploration ship ) had a face to face confrontation with 5 Chinese fisherboats in South China Sea. When conflict broke out,the us ship is collecting hydrological data,for the Chinese navy base is located in ShanYa,Hainan,not far from South China Sea,and the spy ship is within the Chinese Exclusive economic zone(within 200 nautical mile) .It went against <United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea>,< Law of the People's Republic of China on the Exclusive Economic Zone and the Continental Shelf>,< People's Republic of China Foreign-related management of marine scientific research>.
5Chinese fisherboats attacted your spy boat? It is in international water? What purpose did you have ,do scientific research?
You treat China as your enemy,we always know that.That is why US try it best to surround China at almost any cost.
Now,let us begin.
You mean we hold a large amount of US debt,and it is China brought the instablity to the capital market.But you have claimed that If you are contious enough,you will know that the prosperity based on debt is very dangerous,and it is unsustainable,you can't your creditor for your mistakes,for it is US issued its own debt,and you have already feast what the bond had brought you.
And you should make clear that,it is US draged us to the mire.The whole world know your famous slogan ---- "Excessive consumption leads to excessive enjoyment"There is nothing wrong with it,but the trouble is now you can't pay for your debt,so you let the whole world pay the bills for you.
Your great CDS has made the investors all around the world burst into cry,and your so called rescue package will make the creditor's rights worth nothing.
And the most interesting of all is that:now you look like a socialist state (a famous western economics said),you are always opposed to government regulation,but your first aid measure is government pay for the bills.
Let me make a list of events,I only list some great events:
On August 5, 1999, the Allied Forces of NATO fired five missiles at the Chinese embassy in Yugoslavia.Three Chinese died,and more than 20 people were injured.
April 1, 2001, the US spy plane crashing our plane(J-8) right at our doorstep in South China Sea,the Chinese pilot fell into the sea,and his body never been found.
March 9,2009,USNS Impeccable( it is a undersea exploration ship ) had a face to face confrontation with 5 Chinese fisherboats in South China Sea. When conflict broke out,the us ship is collecting hydrological data,for the Chinese navy base is located in ShanYa,Hainan,not far from South China Sea,and the spy ship is within the Chinese Exclusive economic zone(within 200 nautical mile) .It went against <United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea>,< Law of the People's Republic of China on the Exclusive Economic Zone and the Continental Shelf>,< People's Republic of China Foreign-related management of marine scientific research>.
5Chinese fisherboats attacted your spy boat? It is in international water? What purpose did you have ,do scientific research?
It comes from Wall Street Journal,first I doubt the reality of the information,if China is really powerful as you describe,then China is a naked man in the US eyes.And why there are so many articles that point at China,we all know the reason。
You are wrong ,China is the modest country in the world.You said China don’t respect copyrights,yes,we have a long road to go in this point,and because we are still a developing country,so there are so many troubles in China is nomal,and it is very common in developing countries.China isn’t the worst,and the issue you referred to may not be very good in west countries too.It is common to see the rush registration by overseas companies of famous Chinese Brand names.
I think you words may be more suitable to describe US
According to the social experience, it all depend on you whether your competitor will become your enemy or not,if you think he is your enemy then he will become your enemy,if you don’t then your may become partners.
You treat China as your enemy,we always know that.That is why US try it best to surround China at almost any cost.
China and Pakistan are good friends,and the nuclear techniques are all for civilian use .we sell them weapon,,as Russia sell India weapons,EUand US help India with its nuclear technique.
The border is made by Englishmen,we never recognize, you can’t defined the 1962 war as a invasion .the legal is defined by the most powerful countries in the world,and you never accept China as a member of your party,for we are countries with different social systems.
That is mutual.We can’t act as nothing happened,and fall asleep as other countries gun point at our heads.And if NATO dissolves,then Russia-China can’t be so close.
to anyone watching he had to go get pointers
No one made China buy that debt, it was a deal between the two countries for their mutual benefit. China buys US debt and this funds the US who buys Chinese products.
The US didn't drag anyone, no one had to buy treasuries or mortgage backed securities -they chose to for their own financial reasons. Those who bought the mortgage backed securities lost billions, those who bought treasuries have not lost a dime.
Thats not an American slogan, that probably CCP propaganda.
Huh? The government has not defaulted and its unlikely it will.
I didn't vote for the stimulus package.
oops, bad targeting we apologized
bullsh*t, under international law the lighter more maneuverable aircraft or vessel has the duty to stay out of the way of the bigger less agile craft. The Chinese fighter got to close and lsot control. He was the one who decided to clsoe, a turbo prop P-3 cannot chase a nimble mach 2 jet fighter.
China violated international law in causing the crash, and in the seizure and internment of the plane and crew who had rights under international law.
military recon is not marine scientific research, and the EEX does not preclude the presence of foreign military vessels. China again provoked the US.
lets look at Chinese actions like threatening US allies, trying to ship fully auto weapons to our street gangs, selling contaminated products, bragging about being able to attack the USN, ignoring copyrights and trademarks, hacking our computers (or trying to), serving as the center for massive computer bot armies, arresting American citizens. Making comments that amount to an economic attack and Chinese support for pirates.
Be glad the US does not retaliate, I wish we would. China needs to learn its not the middle kingdom.
China can teach arrogance to Donald Trump.
No its not, and I reject that a country with nukes, that has put men in space and that has a P5 seat and is one of the top 5 economies in the world is developing.
China is by far the worst, no one else even compares
China decided the US was thenemy, not the other way around.
That is called paranoia, maybe if you weren't trying to steal from your neighbors they wouldn't want the US to remain- we've been in the region for decades.
China sold Pakistan nuclear weapons and delivery systems, no one did that for India.
Then there will be another war as China seeks to grow its empire.
China is the one pointing guns, just ask Japan, Taiwan, India, Vietnam, Mayalasia, and the Philippines.
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zraver you can add south korea to the list.
Yup, China wants to play the wounded victim but its Chinese actions at the center of most of the regions conflicts.
Taiwan doesn't want to be communist so China points missiles a tthem
India doesn't to give in to unfounded Chinese claims to gain even more territory after invading Tibet so China points isisles at them and gives Pakistan the means to make war and launch terror attacks on India.
The list goes on and on, like the video on Youtube of the Chinese navy gunning down hundreds of Vietnamese trapped on a reef in the Spratly's. Or China's blocking meaningful efforts to stop the genocide in the Sudan and its exports of poison goods around the world. And of course there is nothing China won't rip off from Hollywood movies to Microsoft, to Indian motorcycles and Russian Migs China is a nation built on theft.
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also recently hacking into pentagon to steal JSF info.
I was reading your post in tears...
Thank you,Zraver,the Chinese people has strived for decades to build a prosperous country,and the Chinese people still persevere with the work,but you have done it,you did what we hasn't complete.
I never know I have being living in such a powerful country for 19 years before reading your article,in my eyes,China is developing very fast,but it still has many troubles to deal with,and a lot of people are still suffering the poverty.
It is so funny.
Thank you,Zraver,the Chinese people has strived for decades to build a prosperous country,and the Chinese people still persevere with the work,but you have done it,you did what we hasn't complete.
I never know I have being living in such a powerful country for 19 years before reading your article,in my eyes,China is developing very fast,but it still has many troubles to deal with,and a lot of people are still suffering the poverty.
It is so funny.
America has problems too, so does Japan, Switzerland, United Kingdom take your pick, no place is perfect. But if we are judge a country we must go by what it has accomplished, not what still needs to be done.
China
put a man in orbit
has a P5 seat
is one of the largest economies on earth
has nearly universal literacy (90% or greater)
has nuclear weapons, naval reactors and power plants
builds jet aircraft
has a stock market with global power
has massive reserves of foreign currency and gold
has hosted the Olympics
builds submarines
builds computers and electronics
has a university system
has a life expectancy that exceeds the Global median of 66 years
has a gdp per capita just below the global median ranked between 99 and 110 of 195 countries.
Is the fastest growing market in the world for all types of durable goods consumer and capital.
By any realistic measurement China has joined the Global North.
zraver:
Sir, a thing I have never quite understood is that why does the CCP always prefers to use force or underhanded activities to further its agenda? I mean none of China's neighbours want war with China, least of all we. But by haggling over Tawang, arming Pakistan to the hilt and poking its nose in our backyard, the CCP has ruined (in my view) any chances of peace and trust. Sure India is no saint, but as compared to the CCP, the GoI looks like a baby with a pure white halo.
I mean why not talk sense, talk peace and have one less front to worry about? And has not the CCP deepened Indo-Russia and Indo-US ties to its own detriment?
Sir, a thing I have never quite understood is that why does the CCP always prefers to use force or underhanded activities to further its agenda? I mean none of China's neighbours want war with China, least of all we. But by haggling over Tawang, arming Pakistan to the hilt and poking its nose in our backyard, the CCP has ruined (in my view) any chances of peace and trust. Sure India is no saint, but as compared to the CCP, the GoI looks like a baby with a pure white halo.
I mean why not talk sense, talk peace and have one less front to worry about? And has not the CCP deepened Indo-Russia and Indo-US ties to its own detriment?
Communis,\m requires enemies in order to maintain state control. External enemies are easy to manufacture given historic Chinese racism couple with recent rise in power combining to create nationalists like Yang who buy what their government says hook like and sinker. We are the bad guys because we are not Chinese.
I got a kick out of yang claiming a P-3 Orion a big passenger plane sized craft chased down and rammed a mach 2 fighter.
As fr why the Chinese act so underhanded, they don't which is why they get caught so often. They just don't care.
Sir,I am not such a mean person as you think,nor am a nationlist as you think ,you can't define a person by your first glance.You have your political standpoint ,so do I .If our discussion is based on equality,mutual respect,then we can talk about the most sensitive topics.
How can I believe that when you support communist party dogma like its the absolute truth. Do you really think a big lumbering 4 engined plane can catch a mach 2 fighter and force a collision? How do you justify ignoring a obvious breech of international law in the invasion of Tibet, or the refusal to accpet the previously accepted international border with India or excepting land that Pakistan had no right to give. How do you justify creating a nuclear armed state (Pakistan), or the seemingly endless parade of broken copyrights, espionage and tainted products. How do you justify pointing missiles at Taiwan and supporting North Korea and the Sudan?
Where do you find the justification for the death of the Vietnamese on the Spratly reefs, the invasion of Vietnam, the refusal of development aid, the blocking of a P5 seat, the sale of fully auto weapons to street gangs and the other things a civilized country should not be doing?
zraver,I have seen all what you hve refered to,for we all have enough time,so I am not that worried to discuss them with you one by one,and the issues you argued about are all important events,and I think we may come across them in other posts as well,so it won't be late to discuss them several days later,we all have our own work to do,don't we?
I know you are a honest person,as many American does,you pay great attention to promote justice and care more about the poor people in the cold corner of the world.
You have referred to the cruelty of wars,our two countries both have wars with Vietnam,aren't American not cruel,American even use poisonous chemicals.And aren't Vietnam kill both Chinese and American?And you know how cruel the Vietnam are?the other things I may discuss with you another day.
The wars are crurl,what you said is definitely right,every war is sore ,and today we get together here is to strengthen mutual trust and try to learn other nations' cultures,values and the social systems,if we all have a deep understanding of another nation,we may avoid wars,in history,many wars happened because of mistrust and misunderstanding.
When we say "forum is a platform for people's communication and discussion",because we may hold different opinions ,do we have to share our views together,and try to unify our perceptions.
By the way,nice to meet you here,I have talk with you for two days ,but I haven't greeted you.:113:
I know you are a honest person,as many American does,you pay great attention to promote justice and care more about the poor people in the cold corner of the world.
You have referred to the cruelty of wars,our two countries both have wars with Vietnam,aren't American not cruel,American even use poisonous chemicals.And aren't Vietnam kill both Chinese and American?And you know how cruel the Vietnam are?the other things I may discuss with you another day.
The wars are crurl,what you said is definitely right,every war is sore ,and today we get together here is to strengthen mutual trust and try to learn other nations' cultures,values and the social systems,if we all have a deep understanding of another nation,we may avoid wars,in history,many wars happened because of mistrust and misunderstanding.
When we say "forum is a platform for people's communication and discussion",because we may hold different opinions ,do we have to share our views together,and try to unify our perceptions.
By the way,nice to meet you here,I have talk with you for two days ,but I haven't greeted you.:113:
America is not trying to play the victim while beating up its neighbors any time they get out of line.
The Vietmanese fought to eject a colonial presence from their soil, one that was in violation of the peace treaty signed between the Viet Minh and the French. South Vietnam was an artificial creation. Tibet and Taiwan are not, yet China claims them for her own. The border with India is real, but China refuses to recognize it. India is deserving of a P5/P7 seat but China refuses to allow it. The Spratly's are not attached to China according to any international convention,but China refuses to give up her claim etc etc etc.
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Then recognize the border with India, return the land taken from Pakistan pending a final settlement, leave Taiwan alone and get out of Tibet. Stop looking at your neighbors as the next acquisition if you want mutual trust.
Greetings, now can you answer my questions please?
Zraver,Because you have taken so many issues into consideration in your posts ,but I may not have the ability to discuss them all at the same time, therefore, I concluded the issues you referred to into 8 topics:
1, finacial issues
2, vitnam war
3, the disputes between China and her neighbors
4, the America-China conflicts
5, Taiwan issues
6, the foreign strategy of both China and America
7, Intellectual property right protection
8, social problems in both China and America
Sir, you have the priority to select the topic which can be discussed at a time.
But I will not have time to have an active discuss with you this week,so you can discuss with other members here .
1, finacial issues
2, vitnam war
3, the disputes between China and her neighbors
4, the America-China conflicts
5, Taiwan issues
6, the foreign strategy of both China and America
7, Intellectual property right protection
8, social problems in both China and America
Sir, you have the priority to select the topic which can be discussed at a time.
But I will not have time to have an active discuss with you this week,so you can discuss with other members here .
Lets deal with the fact that China has some sort of issue with most of her neighbors.
