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Ya'll Nibbiars The Ghost Tower of the China.

The China’s tallest building and was supposed to be a symbol of Shanghai’s modernity and the city’s glittering future as a global financial centre. Yet more than four years after The Shanghai Tower “topped out” at 632 metres and two and a half years after architects declared it “ready for occupancy”, the building remains largely vacant. And that around 60 per cent of the available space is unoccupied. Such a high vacancy rate is costing the tower’s owners at least $2 million a week or more than $100 million annually in lost rental income. And this does not include rent from a further 27 floors designated for a six-star hotel which are also vacant.

The hotel was billed as the “world’s highest” but construction is yet to begin, and it is unlikely to be open until 2021 at the earliest. The escalator leading up from the street was shut off and elevators were still covered in signs promoting the construction company. The delay of more than two years in officially opening the tower has seen a blowout in debt and operating losses.

According to the latest annual report of the Shanghai Municipal Investment Group (SMIG), a state-backed company which holds 51 per cent of the project, the tower has 8.08 billion yuan $1.5 billion in debt. This is up nearly 40 per cent from the 5.81 billion yuan of debt in 2014, while the accounts show it made an operating loss of 459 million yuan last year.
 
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Ya'll Nibbiars Such a lack of commercial decision-making by China’s state-owned sector has been identified by the International Monetary Fund as one of the challenges facing Beijing as it looks to reform the economy and lower debt levels. The IMF noted state-backed firms were responsible for much of the run up in China’s debt over the last decade and urged an end to subsidies for the sector and said non-viable firms should be forced to default on their debt and exit the market.

The IMF is forecasting China’s debt levels to hit nearly 400 per cent of GDP by 2022 and said growth could move sharply lower if rising leverage was not addressed. “This rising debt levels raises concerns for a possible sharp decline in growth in the medium term.
 

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China and 14 partners sign world's biggest trade deal without US | DW News

 

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China edges past US as Europe’s top trade partner

China pushed past the United States in the third quarter to become the European Union’s top trade partner, as the Covid-19 pandemic disrupted the US while Chinese activity rebounded.

Over the first nine months of 2020, trade between the EU and China totalled €425.5 billion, while trade between the EU and the United States came in at €412.5 billion, according to Eurostat data.
For the same period in 2019, the EU’s trade with China came in at €413.4 billion and €461 billion with the US.

Eurostat said the result was due to a 4.5% increase in imports from China while exports remained unchanged.

“At the same time trade with the United States recorded a significant drop in both imports (-11.4%) and exports (-10.0%),” Eurostat said.

The EU has been China’s top trade partner since 2004 when it overtook Japan, but this is the first time the inverse has been true, France’s Insee statistics agency said Wednesday (2 December).
After a Covid-19-related shock in the first quarter the Chinese economy has rebounded, with the economy growing year-on-year in the third quarter.

Insee said Chinese imports from Europe picked up in the third quarter, while purchases of personal protective equipment had boosted Chinese exports.
 

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China trade: exports surge to record levels, as coronavirus lockdowns return to the West
  • n November, China’s exports grew by 21.1 per cent from a year earlier, representing the biggest export haul by US dollar value on record
  • China’s factories continue to benefit from lockdowns elsewhere in the world, with exports growing for the sixth month in a row
 

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What about these fake rich. :megusta:
Do they add to the economy
Consumerism is very harmful to a low per GDP nation like China, a country only passed $10000/per GDP shouldn't consumer so much luxuries... High national savings rate is the key of long term economic growth.


China's luxury market boomed this year, even as global sales shrank

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The growth will almost double mainland China's overall share of the global industry from 11% last year to 20% in 2020, the firms said.
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Countries passed $10000/per gdp

 

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Report: China Sells Minorities Into ‘Forced Labor’ to Benefit Apple, Foxconn, Others

Ongoing human rights violations in China were a significant topic of discussion at the end of 2019. The country has sought to block criticism of its policies towards Tibet, the still-ongoing Hong Kong protests, and its imprisonment of a million or more Uighurs and other ethnic minority groups in forced re-education camps. A new bombshell report from Australia indicates that the Uighurs and other minorities aren’t just being subjected to forced re-education — they’re being used as slave labor after completing their terms of “study.”
The paper, by the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, doesn’t use the term “slavery,” preferring to rely instead on the euphemism of “forced labor.” Here’s how the situation is described (Uighur and Uyghur are two different ways of spelling the same word):
It is extremely difficult for Uyghurs to refuse or escape these work assignments, which are enmeshed with the apparatus of detention and political indoctrination both inside and outside of Xinjiang. In addition to constant surveillance, the threat of arbitrary detention hangs over minority citizens who refuse their government-sponsored work assignments. Most strikingly, local governments and private brokers are paid a price per head by the Xinjiang provincial government to organise the labour assignments…
The Uyghur workers, unlike their Han counterparts, are reportedly unable to go home for holidays… Uyghur workers are often transported across China in special segregated trains… Multiple sources suggest that in factories across China, many Uyghur workers lead a harsh, segregated life under so-called ‘military-style management’. Outside work hours, they attend factory-organised Mandarin language classes, participate in ‘patriotic education’, and are prevented from practising their religion. Every 50 Uyghur workers are assigned one government minder and are monitored by dedicated security personnel. They have little freedom of movement and live in carefully guarded dormitories, isolated from their families and children back in Xinjiang. There is also evidence that, at least in some factories, they are paid less than their Han counterparts.
There’s a common perception that the difference between slaves and free individuals is that the latter is paid for their work, but the truth is more complex. This article from the Organization of American Historians is a deep dive into the history of slaves earning wages in the South. In some cases, slaveowners found it advantageous to allow slaves to earn a certain amount of money and to spend it on improving their own lives or the lives of their families. The same is undoubtedly true in China today.
If you can’t refuse a work assignment, can’t go home to see your family, can’t practice your religion, are forced to live by a schedule in which virtually every minute of your life is regimented for you, are kept under constant or near-constant surveillance and subject to the whims of headhunters who earn a bounty for delivering you to a job, and didn’t get any choice in the matter, I’d argue you’re effectively a slave. In some cases, workers’ families are also under simultaneous surveillance back at home, which provides an extra incentive for the slaves “prisoners with jobs” to behave themselves.

The ASPI estimates that up to 80,000 Uighurs have been forced into labor camps this way, some of them directly after finishing their indoctrination at Chinese re-education centers. The report includes three case studies focused on factories producing goods for Nike, Adidas/Fila, and Apple. A total of 83 companies have been identified as benefiting from these practices:
Abercrombie & Fitch, Acer, Adidas, Alstom, Amazon, Apple, ASUS, BAIC Motor, BMW, Bombardier, Bosch, BYD, Calvin Klein, Candy, Carter’s, Cerruti 1881, Changan Automobile, Cisco, CRRC, Dell, Electrolux, Fila, Founder Group, GAC Group (automobiles), Gap, Geely Auto, General Electric, General Motors, Google, H&M, Haier, Hart Schaffner Marx, Hisense, Hitachi, HP, HTC, Huawei, iFlyTek, Jack & Jones, Jaguar, Japan Display Inc., L.L.Bean, Lacoste, Land Rover, Lenovo, LG, Li-Ning, Mayor, Meizu, Mercedes-Benz, MG, Microsoft, Mitsubishi, Mitsumi, Nike, Nintendo, Nokia, The North Face, Oculus, Oppo, Panasonic, Polo Ralph Lauren, Puma, Roewe, SAIC Motor, Samsung, SGMW, Sharp, Siemens, Skechers, Sony, TDK, Tommy Hilfiger, Toshiba, Tsinghua Tongfang, Uniqlo, Victoria’s Secret, Vivo, Volkswagen, Xiaomi, Zara, Zegna, and ZTE.

How many vocational schools do you know of that don’t have completely fenced-off areas and a dozen or more security checkpoints?
The report details how this massive system of relocation and forced labor has been built up under the guise of an aid program known as “Xinjiang Aid.” What appears superficially as a targeted aid program for the poor and undereducated people in the province is a relocation and reeducation program meant to destroy their culture and religious practices. Companies all over China have been encouraged to provide “industrial Xianjing aid” by building factories in the province to absorb what China terms “surplus labor capacity” or to hire Uighurs for other tasks in factories across the rest of China.

Factories are well-compensated for taking these workers and advertisements for their services have reportedly begun popping up in Chinese publications, as shown above and below:
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Compare that with some vintage advertisements for American pre-owned human property.
The report details how, days before Tim Cook visited an O-Film Technology factory in 2017, the company transferred 700 Uighurs to a separate factory. In a now-deleted press release, Cook praised the company for its “humane approach towards employees.” The company reportedly continued to hire more Uighur prisoners throughout the year.
Uighur-Transfers
The ASPI doesn’t make any damning accusations that any specific Western company knew that its products were being built by slave labor. There are multiple diagrams attached to each case report that make it clear how intricate some of these supply chains are. When you look at the supply chains for companies like O-Film, you immediately see just how many major firms could be buying products tainted by the use of slave labor:
O-Film-Supply-Chain
The ASPI does not argue that Apple or any other company has been aware of what has been going on within their supply chains. But the web of connections between these firms implies many companies have benefited from this practice and need to take immediate action to address it. Past that immediate problem, this is another area where we as a society have to choose whether we want to stay quite so cozy with a nation with an increasingly awful human rights record.
If you’ve paid attention to the clashes over issues like freedom of speech between the United States and China over the past six months, it’s become very clear that China isn’t just attempting to control what is said within its borders. In multiple instances, the Chinese have targeted low-level employees or minor embarrassments with hostility beyond all proportion to the alleged offense. This overreaction is not an accident. It’s part and parcel of how the nation is demonstrating its willingness to enforce its own cultural and social norms on others.
While it is absolutely possible for nations to have positive effects on each other, it is past time to let go of the fiction that engaging with China in economic terms will intrinsically lead the company to democratize its policies or protect the rights of its citizenry. Under the leadership of Xi Jinping, China has moved to curtail freedom of the press and freedom of speech. It has imprisoned 1-2 million citizens in political re-education camps and is forcing some of those citizens into what is effectively slavery to manufacture cheap goods for Western markets.

I’m Not Just a Consumer

Businesses make a lot of assumptions about what their customers will or won’t want. One of the most offensive, I’d argue, is the idea that customers are sensitive to nothing but price. Suggest that we might benefit from moving production to a country where minority workers and their families aren’t literally enslaved to provide cheap labor, and someone will instantly bring up the fact that prices would go up if anything changed. In some cases, that’s probably true. A more meaningful question that few people seem to have the guts to ask these days is, “So what?”
Over the past few years, we’ve watched smartphone manufacturers like Apple and Samsung jack up the price of smartphones to the point that $1,000 isn’t even guaranteed to buy you a top-end product any longer. The iPhone XR starts at $600 while the iPhone 11 Pro Max starts at $1,100, but everybody knows that it doesn’t cost Apple an extra $500 to build an iPhone 11 Pro Max. For the past few years, both Samsung and Apple have increased prices simply because they could increase prices.
Somehow, however, the same MBAs who confidently predict to the Tim Cooks of the world that the market will cheerfully absorb a price increase engineered for the sole purpose of installing more gold-plated bathtubs in the C-suites would quail at the idea of refusing to do business with a reprehensible dictatorship that inflicts catastrophic human rights abuses on its own citizenry. The idea that I might be willing to pay more for an iPhone because Apple wants to spend more money propping up its own stock is treated as a given. The idea that I might be willing to pay more for an iPhone because I don’t believe the Chinese government should be rewarded for literally enslaving people? Well, that’s letting morality get in the way of business.
And yet, the fact remains: I would vastly rather pay an extra $50-$100 to know my phone wasn’t made with slave labor than I would to pay an extra $50-$100 so that some rich schmuck on Wall Street can make an extra million bucks in bonuses this quarter. I know I am not the only person who feels that way.
The clash of values between China and the United States isn’t going to go away. Writing in 1945, philosopher Karl Popper described what is now known as the paradox of tolerance, stating: “Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.”
I am aware of all of the reasons — literally billions of reasons — why United States’ companies seek access to Chinese markets. I am aware of the hyper-optimized supply chains and the decades of investment US companies have made in them. Any effort to shift even a small amount of manufacturing out of China would be difficult and time-consuming, and in many cases, alternatives would have to be developed from scratch. Furthermore, because the Earth’s resources are unevenly distributed, some nations have a much larger supply of valuable resources than others. The United States has most of the world’s helium. China has a huge percentage of rare earths. Bolivia has a huge chunk of the world’s lithium reserves. Even in the best of cases, we live in a global, interconnected economy. There is no way to simply wave a wand and roll the clock back to the early 20th century.
There is, however, still time for Americans to push back on the idea that access to Chinese markets is the highest value to which we, as a people, can aspire to. And since every conversation starts with someone choosing to start it, I’ll go first. I am not willing to pay higher drug prices so that the pharmaceutical industry can continue ripping off Americans with exorbitant drug prices. I am not willing to pay higher prices for goods and services so that “disruptive” companies can pocket their employees’ tips. I am not willing, generally speaking, to watch my own costs rise so that people who already make more money in a day than I’ll make in a year can get just a little richer.
But I would be willing to pay more for my electronics and devices if it meant knowing that the countries and companies where these devices were manufactured weren’t enslaving their employees, driving them to suicide, exposing them to poisonous toxins, or otherwise destroying their lives, particularly when one of the benefits of doing so is knowing that my fellow citizens will not be subject to being fired for the crime of accidentally liking the wrong tweet.
If Tim Cook wanted to demonstrate the courage Phil Schiller claims Apple possesses, he could declare that Apple would take a leadership position in certifying that the workers employed at every company in every part of its supply chain were ethically treated and that none of the profit from its raw material purchases would be used to finance wars or conflict around the world. It would be an enormous challenge — one befitting a trillion-dollar company with enough yearly revenue to qualify as the 42nd-largest economy in the world. If the other companies named in this report joined him, they would collectively represent enough purchasing power to force even China to the bargaining table, if backed up by the US government.
The very concept of the “marketplace of ideas” is that people are allowed to bring their thoughts and ideas to the metaphorical table for everyone to peruse them. The connection between China deploying slave labor in factories and, say, the protests in Hong Kong, is that China doesn’t want anybody talking about any of this, and it’s already proven its own willingness to use extraordinary measures to clamp down on dissent, even when that dissent comes from other countries. We ignore these trends at our own peril.




The only way to stop China from enslaving and torturing these people in concentration camps and making them do forced labor in Chinese factories is to move all manufacturing out of China. Just banning products made in Xinjiang is not enough. The Chinese simply move the Uyghurs and other minorities to factories in other regions to continue forcing them to work as slaves.

Until international corporations move all manufacturing out of China, the atrocities in such concentration camps will continue. International corporations are complicit in all of this because they look the other way for cheap labor even as the Uyghurs, Tibetans and other minorities are forced to work as slaves.
 
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China A Sinking Ship : More and More Chinese State Linked Companies Defaulting triggering Bond Selloff
The following is a discussion of why Chinese bonds are unreliable, as China has defaulted on bond payments several times in the past:
China Refuses to Pay Its Debt to Americans
Trump has said China needs to pay for the coronavirus. And it turns out there's a very clever way for US China relations to become debt free. And considering how the China Australia relationship is going, in order to avoid a market crash or dollar collapse, the Western world should maybe not buy so many Chinese bonds. Matt Gnaizda sat down with Jonna Bianco, President of the American Bondholders Foundation, to learn more.
 

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China Q4 GDP growth may accelerate to 6.6% – Shanghai Press

“China's Q4 GDP growth may accelerate to 6.6% from 4.9% in Q3 as the November PMI recorded 52.1, up 0.7 points from October and within the expansion zone for the ninth month. “


“Both manufacturing and non-manufacturing PMIs should continue to expand in December as consumption and service industries continue to recover.”

 

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China Q4 GDP growth may accelerate to 6.6% – Shanghai Press

“China's Q4 GDP growth may accelerate to 6.6% from 4.9% in Q3 as the November PMI recorded 52.1, up 0.7 points from October and within the expansion zone for the ninth month. “


“Both manufacturing and non-manufacturing PMIs should continue to expand in December as consumption and service industries continue to recover.”


Possible Manipulation in GDP figures.
 

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China Q4 GDP growth may accelerate to 6.6% – Shanghai Press

“China's Q4 GDP growth may accelerate to 6.6% from 4.9% in Q3 as the November PMI recorded 52.1, up 0.7 points from October and within the expansion zone for the ninth month. “


“Both manufacturing and non-manufacturing PMIs should continue to expand in December as consumption and service industries continue to recover.”

Sure after releasing corona virus and fcking other countries growth.
 

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Possible Manipulation in GDP figures.
I normally check some "micro" data as clues:

Daimler Raises Earnings Forecast on China Auto Sales Rebound

Daimler AG improved its full-year profit forecast after earnings bounced back last quarter as it posted robust sales in China and cost cuts started to bear fruit at the maker of Mercedes-Benz luxury cars.




China trade: exports surge to record levels, as coronavirus lockdowns return to the West

In November, China’s exports grew by 21.1 per cent from a year earlier, representing the biggest export haul by US dollar value on record




China: Tesla MIC Model 3 Sales Surprisingly Exceed 21,000 In November



 

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Maybe this is related to tourism economy.

China (together with Italy) continue to lead with the most UNESCO World Heritage Sites in the world in 2020. When excluding UNESCO sites shared with other countries, China is the country with the highest number of unique sites.

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  • Purple: countries with 50 or more heritage sites
  • Brown: countries with 40 to 49 heritage sites
  • Light brown: countries with 30 to 39 heritage sites
  • Orange: countries with 20 to 29 heritage sites
  • Blue: countries with 15 to 19 heritage sites
  • Green: countries with 10 to 14 heritage sites
 

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Connecting Human & Economic Freedom with ETF Returns
Oct.30 -- Bloomberg's Eric Balchunas and Scarlet Fu break down the Freedom 100 Emerging Markets ETF (ticker: FRDM) with Perth Tolle, founder of Life + Liberty Indexes. The fund uses quantitative human and economic freedom metrics as primary drivers in the investment selection process.
 

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