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SexyChineseLady

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It seems to me being the genius you are , you're under the impression that China's achieved whatever it is only due to the CCP. All the investment the west brought in , the transfer of manufacturing from their countries to China & the markets they offered to the Chinese amounted to nothing.

Well good for you because the CCP forgot all about it themselves & are now being reminded about it by the west.

Secondly for China to replicate the US's success & be 4 times the size of it , it has to boost internal consumption . Up until now you're an export driven economy. It's only now CCP is trying to boost internal consumption to offset the losses made up in the construction sector among other sectors , the existing & potential loss of exports & by going up the value chain from job working into innovation.

It's still work in progress & this transition will take another 2 decades before the results are out . However that shouldn't prevent you or the CCP from claiming it's a grand success TODAY ITSELF as only you & the CCP can .

Thirdly embracing free market economics & embracing the free market are 2 different things. An authoritarian regime can always do the former not the latter as that requires it to loosen its hold over power & de centralise apart from democratise. That's the last thing the CCP will do but trust you to understand the problem & the solution.

Finally if you're comparing a nation like Nepal with a population of < 30 million to China with a population of > 1.4 billion , you need to have your head examined.
You have no idea what you want to say :)

1. Democratic and free market nations are ALWAYS wealthier than communist ones when human and natural resources are equivalent,

2. If a democratic country is poorer than a communist-run nation one then there are other factors including ethnicity and culture that limit the advantages it has over the communist one.

3. A country of say 1.4B people with a free and democratic system should be MUCH WEALTHIER than a communist country of 1.4B. If it is poorer then the issues are with other factors outside of governance since free democracies are invariably far more conducive to wealth than communism.

4. Therefore a poor communist nation can become wealthier by becoming freer (China, Vietnam); a poor but free democratic nation must change other things since it is already free,

5. I have no claims for the CCP other than that it is has a track record of change. China cannot grow an economy that's bigger than the US and the EU without the ability to change its communist ways ;)
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Wow! So proud! :D

In fact, China is only country in the world that had built all three --VLGC, CATOBAR Carrier and Cruiseliner -- in recent years!
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You have no idea what you want to say :)

1. Democratic and free market nations are ALWAYS wealthier than communist ones when human and natural resources are equivalent,
I think as usual you talk thru your hat . The nations of Nepal & its "neighbours" have been democratic less than 100 yrs. Compare that to the US which has been democratic since its foundation 250 years ago or the UK which traces its path to democracy since the Magna Carta nearly 900 years ago .

That's how they're wealthy since they equalised everybody GRADUALLY & SIMULTANEOUSLY focused on bettering the lives of their people thru universal education , trade & adult franchise.

2. If a democratic country is poorer than a communist-run nation one then there are other factors including ethnicity and culture that limit the advantages it has over the communist one.
Other factors including ethnicity & culture , I think, best explain why some nations readily accept the slavery imposed on them by their masters like for instance in the Arab nations & of course in countries like China where the CCP rules supreme or even Russia under centuries of autocratic rule.

3. A country of say 1.4B people with a free and democratic system should be MUCH WEALTHIER than a communist country of 1.4B. If it is poorer then the issues are with other factors such as culture and ethnicity outside of governance since free democracies are invariably much wealthier.
A country with 1.4 billion people with a democratic system less than 100 years old WILL BE MUCH WEALTHIER than any country with a similar population & authoritarian rule for that country with a democratic system didn't see millions of lives lost due to a civil war & purges post the civil war , didn't see millions of lives lost to stupid decision making which led to the great leap forward & the 5 pests campaign & didn't see any massive upheaval of society thanks to events like the cultural revolution.

In other words , it saw a much more stable system than a similar sized nation which was enslaved by their own & which was subject to the whims of its masters.

If in spite of such a history the slaves of the CCP actually trust the CCP to take it forward thanks only to the economic prosperity those slaves have seen in the last 40 years thinking this is going to last them for a few centuries then the recent downturn of the economy & various other such alarming economic & other developments should wake them up.

If those slaves still don't wake up choosing to believe that those 40 years of economic prosperity will last them forever in spite of the history of the their masters - the CCP then perhaps it's got to do with other factors apart from their own ethnicity & culture.

I have no claims for the CCP other than that it is has a track record of change.
I actually read a report not so long ago where the Japanese saw curious parallels in present day CCP China to pre WW-2 Japan which grew increasingly confident & consequently belligerent thanks to the prosperity it enjoyed in the 70-80 odd years after the Meiji Restoration & the opening up to the outside world where they thought they could create an Empire & take on the west thinking that the west to whom they owed their modernisation & economic prosperity in large measure , was decadent . We know how that one ended .

However the CCP mustn't let itself be guided by what happened to newly industrialised & modernised nations like Japan & Germany in the first half of the 20th century. It must proceed on the course it has charted for itself which also includes the re taking of Taiwan.

China cannot grow an economy that's bigger than the US and the EU without the ability to change its communist ways:
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A leopard can camouflage itself but it can't change its spots. The CCP can adopt Western capitalism to improve its economic conditions without changing its political systems or way of thinking but to replace the west it has to become either completely like the west which you won't
or come up with a viable alternative to their world vision which you can't coz it's beyond the CCP's capacities.
 

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I think as usual you talk thru your hat . The nations of Nepal & its "neighbours" have been democratic less than 100 yrs. Compare that to the US which has been democratic since its foundation 250 years ago or the UK which traces its path to democracy since the Magna Carta nearly 900 years ago .

That's how they're wealthy since they equalised everybody GRADUALLY & SIMULTANEOUSLY focused on bettering the lives of their people thru universal education , trade & adult franchise.



Other factors including ethnicity & culture , I think, best explain why some nations readily accept the slavery imposed on them by their masters like for instance in the Arab nations & of course in countries like China where the CCP rules supreme or even Russia under centuries of autocratic rule.



A country with 1.4 billion people with a democratic system less than 100 years old WILL BE MUCH WEALTHIER than any country with a similar population & authoritarian rule for that country with a democratic system didn't see millions of lives lost due to a civil war & purges post the civil war , didn't see millions of lives lost to stupid decision making which led to the great leap forward & the 5 pests campaign & didn't see any massive upheaval of society thanks to events like the cultural revolution.

In other words , it saw a much more stable system than a similar sized nation which was enslaved by their own & which was subject to the whims of its masters.

If in spite of such a history the slaves of the CCP actually trust the CCP to take it forward thanks only to the economic prosperity those slaves have seen in the last 40 years thinking this is going to last them for a few centuries then the recent downturn of the economy & various other such alarming economic & other developments should wake them up.

If those slaves still don't wake up choosing to believe that those 40 years of economic prosperity will last them forever in spite of the history of the their masters - the CCP then perhaps it's got to do with other factors apart from their own ethnicity & culture.



I actually read a report not so long ago where the Japanese saw curious parallels in present day CCP China to pre WW-2 Japan which grew increasingly confident & consequently belligerent thanks to the prosperity it enjoyed in the 70-80 odd years after the Meiji Restoration & the opening up to the outside world where they thought they could create an Empire & take on the west thinking that the west to whom they owed their modernisation & economic prosperity in large measure , was decadent . We know how that one ended .

However the CCP mustn't let itself be guided by what happened to newly industrialised & modernised nations like Japan & Germany in the first half of the 20th century. It must proceed on the course it has charted for itself which also includes the re taking of Taiwan.



A leopard can camouflage itself but it can't change its spots. The CCP can adopt Western capitalism to improve its economic conditions without changing its political systems or way of thinking but to replace the west it has to become either completely like the west which you won't
or come up with a viable alternative to their world vision which you can't coz it's beyond the CCP's capacities.
You make no sense arguing in this way.

1) Communism is bad.

2) Democratic free market is good.

Both you and I agree on those points :)

For China to grow into an economy that is bigger than the US a decade ago requires that China change from its Marxist tenets. There is no getting around this. No change and China stays at the level of North Korea, not the largest economy in the world:
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You are arguing China grew bigger than the US and buys more $2K handbags than the US by not changing. That is very silly!

This kind of conspicuous consumption did not happen under Mao :)

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You make no sense arguing in this way.

1) Communism is bad.

2) Democratic free market is good.

Both you and I agree on those points :)

For China to grow into an economy that is bigger than the US a decade ago requires that China change from its Marxist tenets. There is no getting around this. No change and China stays at the level of North Korea, not the largest economy in the world:
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You are arguing China grew bigger than the US and buys more $2K handbags than the US by not changing. That is very silly!

This kind of conspicuous consumption did not happen under Mao :)

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It's communism or capitalism? ^_^

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Look who's talking . A nation which less than 60 years ago had people cannibalising each other during the famines of the great leap forward & 5 pests campaign under great helmsman 1.0 now boasts about having arrived on the world stage under the very same CCP of great helmsman 2.0 , forgetting the common element to both those periods - the CCP , which translates to mean that if the CCP finds its position threatened , it won't hesitate to unleash the very same forces it did the last time for the last thing they want to lose is power.

All this would still be fine until the CCP but especially great helmsman 2.0 has a bee in his bonnet about retaking Taiwan & he thinks he can do it without a shot being fired. Should be great fun to see what follows.

And CCP democratising its system is like the Chinese turning vegetarian overnight. Can you imagine such a possibility? What will the wet markets & those dependent on the chinese traditional medicine system do ? What will those running pig farms do ?

Btw only an extremely stupid person could come up with the kind of analogy you did when suggesting it's easier for CCP to adopt more free market reforms & democratise than it is for Bangladesh or Nepal to change its culture or ethnicity.
China has an economy which is fascist in essence, no democracy, state capitalism and CCP oligarchs who are monopolistic owners.
 

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Yes. It is Socialism with Chinese Characteristics (which can have very capitalistic elements) :)
what a joke it is facism plain and simple


However, the economic programs of the great majority of fascist movements were extremely conservative, favouring the wealthy far more than the middle class and the working class. Their talk of national “socialism” was quite fraudulent in this respect. Although some workers were duped by it before the fascists came to power, most remained loyal to the traditional antifascist parties of the left. As historian John Weiss noted, “Property and income distribution and the traditional class structure remained roughly the same under fascist rule. What changes there were favored the old elites or certain segments of the party leadership.

. In theory, the corporatist model represented a “third way” between capitalism and communism, allowing for the harmonious cooperation of workers and employers for the good of the nation as a whole. In practice, fascist corporatism was used to destroy labour movements and suppress political dissent.


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You make no sense arguing in this way.

1) Communism is bad.

2) Democratic free market is good.

Both you and I agree on those points :)

For China to grow into an economy that is bigger than the US a decade ago requires that China change from its Marxist tenets. There is no getting around this. No change and China stays at the level of North Korea, not the largest economy in the world:
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You are arguing China grew bigger than the US and buys more $2K handbags than the US by not changing. That is very silly!

This kind of conspicuous consumption did not happen under Mao :)

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Military values
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Nazi Storm Troopers marching through Nürnberg, Germany.
Fascists favoured military values such as courage, unquestioning obedience to authority, discipline, and physical strength. They also adapted the outward trappings of military organizations, such as paramilitary uniforms and Roman salutes.
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EVs are not just EVs, they are the personal transportation components of China's all of society technology immersion:

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Cellphones, cars, ships, planes:

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Looks like either China Daily didn't get the MSS propaganda or the MSS overplayed their hand calling a Monorail running @Max 60 kmph a MAGLEV train . 😉


 

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