China Economy: News & Discussion

[Azaad]

Sajjan Jindal to buy Ford's factory, stake in MG India - Times of India

India Business News: Indian steel magnate Sajjan Jindal is reportedly forming a new company by acquiring a stake in MG Motor India, a unit of Chinese company SAIC, and pur

m.timesofindia.com

It's no wonder China & India don't get along & will probably never do so . India's doing to China what China's done to the world .

 

[ym888]

Sajjan Jindal to buy Ford's factory, stake in MG India - Times of India

India Business News: Indian steel magnate Sajjan Jindal is reportedly forming a new company by acquiring a stake in MG Motor India, a unit of Chinese company SAIC, and pur

m.timesofindia.com

It's no wonder China & India don't get along & will probably never do so . India's doing to China what China's done to the world .

It looks like China's EV technology is getting attention, with Leapmotor mentioned here

Stellantis takes $1.6 bln Leapmotor stake to revive China fortunes

Stellantis said on Thursday it is buying a 21% stake in EV maker Leapmotor in a $1.6 billion deal that will give it a fresh shot in China, the world's biggest car market by sales, and the smaller Chinese carmaker a European foothold.

www.reuters.com

 

[ym888]

Thailand moving full speed to lure China’s EV ‘big fish’ to ‘Detroit of Asia’

Chinese manufacturers are the top target of Thailand’s goal to lure US$28 billion of foreign investment, to break into the top tier of electric vehicle makers.

www.scmp.com

 

[Azaad]

Global EV battery supply chain puzzles over China graphite curbs

Beijing's move to restrict graphite exports will have a disproportionate impact on foreign makers of electric vehicle battery components who have not yet shifted to using as much synthetic material as Chinese counterparts, industry insiders and experts said.

www.reuters.com

Looks like China's taking the trade war to the West. Interesting times ahead for China the West & the rest of the world.

 

[Azaad]

It looks like China's EV technology is getting attention, with Leapmotor mentioned here

Stellantis takes $1.6 bln Leapmotor stake to revive China fortunes

Stellantis said on Thursday it is buying a 21% stake in EV maker Leapmotor in a $1.6 billion deal that will give it a fresh shot in China, the world's biggest car market by sales, and the smaller Chinese carmaker a European foothold.

www.reuters.com

Doesn't matter as long as management control rests with the Indian firm. Their aim is to emulate the Chinese practice of absorbing technology before independently branching out on their own like China's done in so many sectors.

 

[ym888]

Doesn't matter as long as management control rests with the Indian firm. Their aim is to emulate the Chinese practice of absorbing technology before independently branching out on their own like China's done in so many sectors.

China has allowed wholly foreign-owned enterprises,

Tesla is an example.


Corporate control doesn't make much sense,



Brand and technology are what matter

 

[Azaad]

China has allowed wholly foreign-owned enterprises,

Tesla is an example.


Corporate control doesn't make much sense,



Brand and technology are what matter

Tesla is totally dependent on Chinese vendors for their Li ion battery packs.

Corporate control is to ensure smooth transfer of technology . The Chinese haven't quite understood the significance of the Quad in this respect where there's growing emphasis on developing alternative supply chains for key hi tech in advanced sectors like EV, SMC, AI , pharma, vaccines, rare earths mining & refining etc .

The US plan to effect ToT of the GE - F 414 Turbofan to India is an outcome of the same agreement between the Quad nations Eventually the EU would join in too . You'd see the impact this has on the world & China by the end of this decade.

 

[ym888]

Tesla is totally dependent on Chinese vendors for their Li ion battery packs.

Corporate control is to ensure smooth transfer of technology . The Chinese haven't quite understood the significance of the Quad in this respect where there's growing emphasis on developing alternative supply chains for key hi tech in advanced sectors like EV, SMC, AI , pharma, vaccines, rare earths mining & refining etc .

The US plan to effect ToT of the GE - F 414 Turbofan to India is an outcome of the same agreement between the Quad nations Eventually the EU would join in too . You'd see the impact this has on the world & China by the end of this decade.

Key components are made in the United States by skilled American workers,

It is then shipped to India, plus some parts made in India, and finally screwed by Indian workers.



This is the production process of GE-F414.

 

[Azaad]

Key components are made in the United States by skilled American workers,

It is then shipped to India, plus some parts made in India, and finally screwed by Indian workers.



This is the production process of GE-F414.

If that's what you think, the joke's on you. I've told you before to improve your reading on subjects you know little to nothing about unless you don't mind being the laughing stock in an Indian forum.

BTW - we've already mastered the tech to mfg the Al-31 TF in house from scratch . This is the very same TF which you've reverse engineered & used as the foundation on which your entire WS series of TFs are built.

 

[ym888]

If that's what you think, the joke's on you. I've told you before to improve your reading on subjects you know little to nothing about unless you don't mind being the laughing stock in an Indian forum.

BTW - we've already mastered the tech to mfg the Al-31 TF in house from scratch . This is the very same TF which you've reverse engineered & used as the foundation on which your entire WS series of TFs are built.

What military aircraft engines does India produce?

 

[ym888]

Cutting-edge military technology can only come from home,



No one will sell it to you, not even Allies.

https://archive.ph/HJuN8#selection-623.0-3343.188

 

[Azaad]

What military aircraft engines does India produce?

Which part of we're mfg the Al-31 TF from scratch didn't you understand ?

 

[ym888]

Which part of we're mfg the Al-31 TF from scratch didn't you understand ?

All parts are manufactured in India?


india still has to finish its own Kaveri Engine and relying on foreign technology is not a long-term solution

 

[Azaad]

All parts are manufactured in India?


india still has to finish its own Kaveri Engine and relying on foreign technology is not a long-term solution

Yes, as of now given the conflict in Ukraine all parts are mfd in India. We've been assembling the TF since 2007-08 & have gradually improved the local content in it to the point where 7-8 yrs ago we were only importing machined titanium blocks from Russia. Now that has ceased too.

Yes, RN the non after burning Kaveri has been flight tested & is due to go into our sub sonic UCAV - Ghatak where it'd be tested from 2025 onwards for certification. Post that the new improved Kaveri will undergo testing of both the hot & cold sections meaning with AFB - After Burner. The idea is to incorporate the Kaveri into the LCA during the mid life upgrades due from 2035 onwards.

In the meanwhile, in all likelihood we'd be proceeding with SAFRAN in a JV to develop the 120 KN TF for the AMCA Mk-2 . Then there's the ToT for GE F-414 TF which is a separate program & obviously the indigenous mfg of Al-31 TF. So, as you see by 2035 multiple programs of different TFs will come to fruition.

 

[ym888]

Yes, as of now given the conflict in Ukraine all parts are mfd in India. We've been assembling the TF since 2007-08 & have gradually improved the local content in it to the point where 7-8 yrs ago we were only importing machined titanium blocks from Russia. Now that has ceased too.

Yes, RN the non after burning Kaveri has been flight tested & is due to go into our sub sonic UCAV - Ghatak where it'd be tested from 2025 onwards for certification. Post that the new improved Kaveri will undergo testing of both the hot & cold sections meaning with AFB - After Burner. The idea is to incorporate the Kaveri into the LCA during the mid life upgrades due from 2035 onwards.

In the meanwhile, in all likelihood we'd be proceeding with SAFRAN in a JV to develop the 120 KN TF for the AMCA Mk-2 . Then there's the ToT for GE F-414 TF which is a separate program & obviously the indigenous mfg of Al-31 TF. So, as you see by 2035 multiple programs of different TFs will come to fruition.

Kaveri doesn't look so happy,



Mainly relying on French and American technical support

 

[ym888]

China's Pony.ai Secures USD100 Million Investment From Saudi Arabia's Newly Established NIF
LIAO SHUMIN
DATE: OCT 25 2023
/ SOURCE: YICAI

China's Pony.ai Secures USD100 Million Investment From Saudi Arabia's Newly Established NIF
(Yicai) Oct. 25 -- Chinese autonomous driving startup Pony.ai has reportedly secured a USD100 million investment from Neom Investment Fund, the investment arm of Neom, Saudi Arabia's flagship urban development project, Securities Times reported.
Neom announced yesterday the establishment of NIF, which aims to support the buildout and development of Neom's 14 priority sectors and deliver long-term value while enabling the creation of jobs in Neom.
In the same statement, Neom said that NIF will invest in global companies, including Pony.ai, US supersonic plane maker Boom Technology, US cell-cultured seafood provider BlueNalu, and Hong Kong-based game software developer Animoca Brands. More details will be unveiled in the coming days, Neom added.
This is not the first time Pony.ai has collaborated with Middle Eastern investors. On Oct. 18, the firm inked an agreement with United Arab Emirates' Abu Dhabi Investment Office to join the Smart and Autonomous Vehicles Industries cluster under construction in Masdar, Abu Dhabi. As a result, Pony.ai was approved to conduct autonomous driving-related road tests in Abu Dhabi's Yas Island.
So far, Pony.ai's self-driving mileage has exceeded 25 million kilometers worldwide. It has launched robotaxi services in China and the US.

 

[Azaad]

Kaveri doesn't look so happy,



Mainly relying on French and American technical support

There are 2 ways to secure technology , Chang . The Xu Yanjun way like you've done with COMAC & reverse engineering the Al-31 to create its derivatives in the WS series of TFs or the way we've chosen where we officially enter to ToT agreements , pay a ToT fee & everything is legitimate.

People will always contrast our behaviour to yours & conclude it's better to deal with the Indians than the Chinese for at least with the former there's respect for IPR & the right fee to obtain technologies are paid for in contrast to the Chinese who steal & cheat . That's how long term international reputations are built Chang & rewards are for those who believe in rule of law.

 

[rockdog]

There are 2 ways to secure technology , Chang . The Xu Yanjun way like you've done with COMAC & reverse engineering the Al-31 to create its derivatives in the WS series of TFs or the way we've chosen where we officially enter to ToT agreements , pay a ToT fee & everything is legitimate.

People will always contrast our behaviour to yours & conclude it's better to deal with the Indians than the Chinese for at least with the former there's respect for IPR & the right fee to obtain technologies are paid for in contrast to the Chinese who steal & cheat . That's how long term international reputations are built Chang & rewards are for those who believe in rule of law.

U mean, Indian are innocent, they rather sell it to 3rd nation than keeping it at home, like those ex Indian Navy officers?

 

[Azaad]

U mean, Indian are innocent, they rather sell it to 3rd nation than keeping it at home, like those ex Indian Navy officers?

And what exactly are those Indian officers accused of selling & to whom ? Is the Government of India involved in this as Zhongnanhai was in the Xu Yanjun affair ? Besides what exactly would those camel humpers have by way of technology that we would want to steal from them ?

 

[Physx32]

U mean, Indian are innocent, they rather sell it to 3rd nation than keeping it at home, like those ex Indian Navy officers?

If this is your conclusion after reading that post, you've serious comprehension issues.

Go read some English books instead of wasting time here.