China Economy: News & Discussion

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Japanese cartoon on international trade in the coming years

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sewage oil a chinese delicacy that China wants to export and will leave sushi as a simple food

China selling fentanyl no Chinese are clean

China exports of dog meat want to grow, great delicacy saddly most humanity considerst it not tasty, well the non chinese barbarians do not understand Chinese delicacies

 

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What you are saying makes sense but we are living in times where economics is going to take somewhat of a backseat meaning research costs, fuel efficiency and engine longevity and so on ofcourse safety not compromised if a country can afford it and has human talent to realize these things especially in the areas of civilian aircrafts, engines both aircraft, maritime and others, semi conductors and medical related stuff due to the simple reason of achieving economic soverignity. Alternative is modern victim of western colonialism. This is true for India, China and Russia....later two are ahead of India but India will also focus in the next couple of decades with its economy catching up and moving beyond social bigotry and nonsense

all nations can build aircraft, the problem is priorities, and risks.

Example India perfectly can desing a MS-21 or C919 equivalent, in the case of China and Brazil they mostly build the fuselage.

The problem is sales, Brazil is way ahead of China and Russia in that regard.

For India build an airliner is no problem specially if using western subsystems but the risk of failure is also great.

So Brazil remains in the small private jets and regional airliners where they have already customers.

China by going alone means the risk is higher, much higher.

C929 is basically a huge gamble and they will face rivals with experience.

Ideally having partners is better, Brazil has many western suppliers, thus has a network that allows it to sell quality in both western and not western markets.

Russia can only sell within Russia and a few other countries,

The network of suppliers and customers is the hardest thing to have.

So India has not entered in such programs to give priority to social and economic needs.

China is gambling and very likely will fail on C929; C-919 might be different if well managed they might succed.

 

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China Youth Daily client Shanghai, September 28 (China Youth Daily reporter Wang Yejie) at 9:28 this morning, the G7799 train set out from Changzhou Wujin Station, along the Shanghai-Nanjing high-speed railway along the Yangtze River to Shanghai Hongqiao Station. This marks the official opening of the Shanghai-Nanjing high-speed railway along the Yangtze River, the formation of the second intercity high-speed railway between Shanghai and Nanjing, and the further encryption of the Yangtze River Delta railway network.




The Shanghai-Nanjing high-speed Railway along the Yangtze River is the backbone of the intercity rail transit network in the Yangtze River Delta region. It starts from Nanjing South Railway Station, passes through Nanjing, Zhenjiang, Changzhou, Wuxi and Suzhou in Jiangsu Province, joins the Shanghai-Sutong Railway at Taicang Station and connects to the Shanghai Railway hub. The line is 279 km long and has a design speed of 350 km/h. There are 8 stations in Nanjing South, Jurong, Jintan, Wujin, Jiangyin, Zhangjiagang, Changshu and Taicang, among which Jurong, Jintan, Wujin and Jiangyin are newly built stations.




It is worth mentioning that the construction of the Shanghai-Nanjing high-speed railway along the Yangtze River took quite a lot of trouble. Construction of the line began in October 2018, during which it will also pass through the Yangshan Tunnel. During the construction process, in order to overcome multiple difficulties such as surrounding rock breakage and cave-in, the 24th Bureau of China Railway, in accordance with the idea of "Internet + railway project construction", used information means to carry out in-depth control of quality, safety, schedule, cost, resource allocation, environmental water protection and other work, and equipped professional sewage purification, dust removal spray, noise monitoring and other monitoring systems. With innovation, ingenuity to protect the "green mountains", to ensure that the target of each node to achieve as scheduled.

It is reported that the Shanghai-Nanjing high-speed railway along the river is the fourth railway channel between Shanghai and Nanjing after the Beijing-Shanghai Railway, Shanghai-Nanjing Intercity Railway and Beijing-Shanghai high-speed railway were opened to traffic, and it is also the second intercity railway between Shanghai and Nanjing. The opening and operation of this high-speed railway further encrypts the Yangtze River Delta intercity rail transit network, greatly facilitates the travel of people along the line, and is of great significance to the construction of the Yangtze River Economic Belt and the integrated development of the Yangtze River Delta.


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How much of this is AI generated?

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

dreams dreams

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Il-96 number built 30

unsuccesful project
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L-1011 number built 250

Never recovered R&D cost forced Lockheed out of the civilian aviation sector

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Convair 880

never recovered R&D cost


Continue dreaming the Chinese C929 very likely will struggle to be successful, why? simple with A-350s and B787 in the market and newer single aisle A-321XLR of long range and B-777 in the ultra long range nich and COMAC buying aircraft to it self and an economy faltering in 5% or less grow, it will be hard hard to succeed.


A more logic way is first concentrate on C919 and retire the crap of ARJ-21, but ambition will break the sack

There is no way any of COMIC COMAC planes will succeed in big aviation markets:
- North America and EU have their own companies
- India, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Australia are never going to permit purchase of Chinese planes
- Latin/South America is basically US and Brazil’s backyard and both have their own fuel efficient planes with global R&D and supply chains.
- Russia despite isolation has a fully developed aircraft industry and their own planes.

Possible Markets:
- North Korea, Iran, Myanmar, Pakistan
- some corrupt African and ASEAN countries.
- China domestic airlines
- arm twist foreign airlines to buy COMIC aircraft if they have to fly in China. Of course, all refuse or drag China in front of WTO or IATA and CCP loses face.

The domestic air travel volume of the #1 and #2 possible markets in total is less than air traffic volume of 1 major state in India. So there is no way COMIC aircraft will sell there unless given to them at deep discounts.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

India’s western dedicated freight corridor control room. Does China have anything remotely close to this? Probably not. Some outdated Soviet crap from the 1990s is what makes up for Chinese Railways control room. Lol.

 

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Even Hyderabad City, capital of India’s Telangana state, police control and command center has a more hi-tech control room than Shanghai’s ancient control room. Lol.

 

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Even highway travel rest toilets in India (this one is in Kerala state) are more hi-tech than Chinese toilets, which have communist style 1990s design. Lol.

 

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This is a pod accommodation for railway and highway travelers in another city of Kerala State - Trivandrum. The pod design is straight from Japan. Now this is called aesthetics and design not the garbage seen in Chinese cities. Lol.

 

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Mumbai city recently converted all its decades old double decker buses into modern electric ones. This bus is from Ashok Leyland, an Indian company. Look at the design and aesthetics. Have not seen any such modern design on Chinese roads whose buses look like early 2000s US city buses. Lol

 

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There is no way any of COMIC COMAC planes will succeed in big aviation markets:
- North America and EU have their own companies
- India, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Australia are never going to permit purchase of Chinese planes
- Latin/South America is basically US and Brazil’s backyard and both have their own fuel efficient planes with global R&D and supply chains.
- Russia despite isolation has a fully developed aircraft industry and their own planes.

Possible Markets:
- North Korea, Iran, Myanmar, Pakistan
- some corrupt African and ASEAN countries.
- China domestic airlines
- arm twist foreign airlines to buy COMIC aircraft if they have to fly in China. Of course, all refuse or drag China in front of WTO or IATA and CCP loses face.

The domestic air travel volume of the #1 and #2 possible markets in total is less than air traffic volume of 1 major state in India. So there is no way COMIC aircraft will sell there unless given to them at deep discounts.

I totally agree, one is the reason I said is ambition is breaking the sack

CR-929 would make more sense If India, Russia and China pulled cooperation upon a more egalitarian workshare.

However the Chinese are stupidly over ambitious, and over estimate their true capabilities.

However that would mean Russian engines, more profits for India and Russia, China is unwilling to do that, even they could offer other brics members work share

 

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I totally agree, one is the reason I said is ambition is breaking the sack

CR-929 would make more sense If India, Russia and China pulled cooperation upon a more egalitarian workshare.

However the Chinese are stupidly over ambitious, and over estimate their true capabilities.

However that would mean Russian engines, more profits for India and Russia, China is unwilling to do that, even they could offer other brics members work share

Chinese have this megalomaniac ambition that they want to do everything for themselves to avenge the century of humiliation and more importantly the Nanking rape tragedy at the hands of Japan. They want to show the Japanese that they are better than them in every way. But many Chinese technology is failing and falling short of Japanese top quality and design standards. Chinese design looks outdated - everything from their phones to their cities with rows and rows of ugly apartment buildings.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

Important to design things aesthetically and modern. Commies have bad tastes in design and shows up in all their buildings. This is Delhi’s AirPort Express train. The interiors and stations are nicely designed and allows for maximum ease of use and help.

 

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Chinese have this megalomaniac ambition that they want to do everything for themselves to avenge the century of humiliation and more importantly the Nanking rape tragedy at the hands of Japan. They want to show the Japanese that they are better than them in every way. But many Chinese technology is failing and falling short of Japanese top quality and design standards. Chinese design looks outdated - everything from their phones to their cities with rows and rows of ugly apartment buildings.

the Chinese are over ambitious and stupidly over ambitious.

In my view China if it wanted an Asian Century, needs India, but China considers India a nation to subdue do to the fact India will grow high rates too, Also in their mind they think Russia is declining, Brazil is a corrupt South American country.

I agree with you.

But on CRI-929 as I would call it, in a good egalitarian work share, Russia should at least take 30% of domestic chinese sales, In fact later make an Indian-chinese-Russian engine to power it.

The Russians are not stupid they know PD-35 can be used to re-engine An-124, the new Cargo Elephant replacement to An-124, C929, and a derivative of Il-96 with twin engines.

with comitment by these countries even if the Project fails it could be as A-380 type project.
And allow cooperation for a BRICS airbus, but the Chinese lack the ability of USA and Western thinkers that are making a world government lead by them.

Airbus and Boeing for example use engines built and designed in both the USA and EU, same are subsystems, Even Mexico has a minor but some workshare.

But the Chinese short sight will doom BRICS


The old four-engine Ilyushin Il-96 aircraft might lose two turbofans in 2025, but that’s good news. Russia hopes to convert the aircraft conceived in the 1980s to receive PD-35 engines, which are being developed in the country.

According to Alexander Inozemtsev, director of manufacturer UEC-Aviadvigatel, a twin-engine Il-96 is part of Putin’s future presidential aircraft.


Russian hope for the PD-35 turbofan is huge as it is the largest engine ever produced in the country. The main aircraft that will be equipped with the engine is the CR929, a widebody similar to the Boeing 787 that is being developed in partnership with China.

Russia to convert four-engine Il-96 into two-engine jet - Air Data News

The old four-engine Ilyushin Il-96 aircraft might lose two turbofans in 2025, but that's good news. Russia hopes to convert the aircraft conceived in the

www.airdatanews.com

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

Or Delhi’s convention center. The design,aesthetics, raised profile (so it does not flood like Shanghai’s expo center did and people were wading in waters during some event) - all is superior to Chinese design and architecture.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

the Chinese are over ambitious and stupidly over ambitious.

In my view China if it wanted an Asian Century, needs India, but China considers India a nation to subdue do to the fact India will grow high rates too, Also in their mind they think Russia is declining, Brazil is a corrupt South American country.

I agree with you.

But on CRI-929 as I would call it, in a good egalitarian work share, Russia should at least take 30% of domestic chinese sales, In fact later make an Indian-chinese-Russian engine to power it.

The Russians are not stupid they know PD-35 can be used to re-engine An-124, the new Cargo Elephant replacement to An-124, C929, and a derivative of Il-96 with twin engines.

with comitment by these countries even if the Project fails it could be as A-380 type project.
And allow cooperation for a BRICS airbus, but the Chinese lack the ability of USA and Western thinkers that are making a world government lead by them.

Airbus and Boeing for example use engines built and designed in both the USA and EU, same are subsystems, Even Mexico has a minor but some workshare.

But the Chinese short sight will doom BRICS


The old four-engine Ilyushin Il-96 aircraft might lose two turbofans in 2025, but that’s good news. Russia hopes to convert the aircraft conceived in the 1980s to receive PD-35 engines, which are being developed in the country.

According to Alexander Inozemtsev, director of manufacturer UEC-Aviadvigatel, a twin-engine Il-96 is part of Putin’s future presidential aircraft.


Russian hope for the PD-35 turbofan is huge as it is the largest engine ever produced in the country. The main aircraft that will be equipped with the engine is the CR929, a widebody similar to the Boeing 787 that is being developed in partnership with China.

Russia to convert four-engine Il-96 into two-engine jet - Air Data News

The old four-engine Ilyushin Il-96 aircraft might lose two turbofans in 2025, but that's good news. Russia hopes to convert the aircraft conceived in the

www.airdatanews.com

No way this is going to happen. The CCP’s ego does not let them collaborate with peer countries. Also, countries are very afraid to collaborate with China as inevitably your technology gets stolen and the partnership breaks down. Chinese business relationships like their products are unreliable.

 

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Bengaluru (Silicon Valley of India) airport’s T2 terminal built with engineered bamboo and is spectacularly garden-like driving all your stress away. Can the commies ever come up with design and aesthetic concept like this? Probably not. They have to hire a western firm to do it. Maybe they should hire Indian firms to do their architecture and design.

 

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No way this is going to happen. The CCP’s ego does not let them collaborate with peer countries. Also, countries are very afraid to collaborate with China as inevitably your technology gets stolen and the partnership breaks down. Chinese business relationships like their products are unreliable.

I totally agree, India should move its cards carefully, to achieve a civil aerospace like Brazil has at least.

I mean while the Chinese boast a lot Airbus is milking them, their assembly lines are mostly for sales to Chinese airlines and the engines and most other subsystem are Europian and imported by China.

But in life nothing is free.

The network of suppliers is to open markets, for example LEAP engines are French-American engines that can be used by Boeing or Airbus aircraft and benefits even nations like Mexico.

Chinese lack the organizational skills in that regard the Brazilians have.


The Commander of the Brazilian Air Force (FAB), Lieutenant Brigadier Marcelo Kanitz Damasceno, participated earlier this month in a public hearing of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in which he revealed the countries that are in negotiations to acquire the KC-390 Millennium airlifter from Embraer.

Some of the nations mentioned in the public hearing had already declared on previous occasions that they are evaluating the KC-390, cases of Austria, India, Sweden, South Korea and the Czech Republic, which is a strategic partner of Embraer’s program.

Eight countries are negotiating the acquisition of the KC-390, according to the commander of the Brazilian Air Force - Air Data News

The Commander of the Brazilian Air Force (FAB), Lieutenant Brigadier Marcelo Kanitz Damasceno, participated earlier this month in a public hearing of the

www.airdatanews.com

 

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Meanwhile in China, their top EV - Buy Your Death (BYD) - continues to entertain with a fire show.

 

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Uh oh…looks like COMIC planes are going the BYD way…plagued with design issues and safety problems.

 

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C919 has a nationalization of components rate of only 25%. The CCP has played a giant joke on the peasants as usual….hahahaha