China Economy: News & Discussion

[ym888]

Aviation is a business and C919 has 40% of the aircraft parts imported, basically the most important core technologies.

However aviation is a network, to get core technologies a company needs market and respect some intelectual rights.

What China does is copied the A-320 fuselage core technologies and matched it to western proven subsystems.

Brazil does the same.

Russia also tried that too, however sanctions forced to build more parts domestically.

You misunderstand a lot India, market wise India very likely will grow a lot, thus justifies building a civil aircraft industry.

Brazil; now build private jets with western technologies some in the USA, so the network connections allows Embraer to boast a very large client list.

China has not that network, nor the core technologies.

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Preator sells well around the world, uses western proven technology and respect intelectual property.

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700 Phenom sold

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ERJ more than 1600 sold

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India even might buy the AWACS version of preator

Conclusion why China sells only to Chinese owned airliners owned by the CCP simple the Western providers know Chinese want to scam them

Western Brazil makes good planes



My favorite is the locally produced aircraft

 

[MiG-29SMT]

Western Brazil makes good planes



My favorite is the locally produced aircraft

you do not produced locally, basically China gets transfers and indegenise them, example J-10 is a lavi regardless it is deny it most Chinese aircraft have foreign technology that China buys, your locall technology is just a cover up to the tech transfers China got. Brazil has a network and market you dream about it, but remember ambitions breaks the bag, thus China is getting tariffs and you have no real advantage besides the propaganda machine you use

Embraer has more aircraft flying around the world than COMAC and a factor you use western technology 40% even Mexican engineers work in those technologies so you are as every nation on earth

 

[ym888]

you do not produced locally, basically China gets transfers and indegenise them, example J-10 is a lavi regardless it is deny it most Chinese aircraft have foreign technology that China buys, your locall technology is just a cover up to the tech transfers China got. Brazil has a network and market you dream about it, but remember ambitions breaks the bag, thus China is getting tariffs and you have no real advantage besides the propaganda machine you use

Embraer has more aircraft flying around the world than COMAC and a factor you use western technology 40% even Mexican engineers work in those technologies so you are as every nation on earth

I don't care about the source of the technology


Master the core technology in local production


More than anything else

 

[MiG-29SMT]

I don't care about the source of the technology


Master the core technology in local production


More than anything else

You are another jingoistic guy, Brazil does make and design aircraft, but like China buys core technologies why do you think it is?


Lack of brains?
Aviation is a very expensive business.

To design an airliner companies invest billions of Dollars and operate them is expensive.

PC-24 for example needs a market

the Honda jet the same

they have built 200, without recovering investment aviation can not exist Chinese aircraft are not business, they are made and purchased by the same entity

Buyng off the shelf products is cheaper, thus engines are western in both brazilian and Chinese aircraft

 

[ym888]

You are another jingoistic guy, Brazil does make and design aircraft, but like China buys core technologies why do you think it is?


Lack of brains?
Aviation is a very expensive business.

To design an airliner companies invest billions of Dollars and operate them is expensive.

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PC-24 for example needs a market

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the Honda jet the same

they have built 200, without recovering investment aviation can not exist Chinese aircraft are not business, they are made and purchased by the same entity

Buyng off the shelf products is cheaper, thus engines are western in both brazilian and Chinese aircraft

The biggest jewel in the commercial aircraft industry is the large passenger jet and the engine

The Chinese are entering

I hope the Brazilians and Japanese do the same

 

[SexyChineseLady]

I don't care about the source of the technology


Master the core technology in local production


More than anything else

True. China invented gunpowder and paper.

West used gunpowder to conquer India and Africa and still control the world through its paper money. They had local production of gunpowder and paper.

The Iroqois, Mohawks, Sioux, Dakotas and Apaches were genocided by the white man with guns. If they had mastered the making of guns, they would survive but according to the Indians in this forum that would be copying and they should just let the white man kill them off

Master the production -- and then turn the tables:

 

[rockdog]

True. China invented gunpowder and paper.

West used gunpowder to conquer India and Africa and still control the world through its paper money. They had local production of gunpowder and paper.

The Iroqois, Mohawks, Sioux, Dakotas and Apaches were genocided by the white man with guns. If they had mastered the making of guns, they would survive but according to the Indians in this forum that would be copying and they should just let the white man kill them off

Master the production -- and then turn the tables:
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[MiG-29SMT]

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you will lose

 

[rockdog]

I don't care about the source of the technology


Master the core technology in local production


More than anything else

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India claims cow dung chip protects against radiation

NEW DELHI (AFP) - An Indian government unit established to develop soaps and medicinal products from cow dung has branched out with a "chip" it claims can protect people from cellphone radiation. Read more at straitstimes.com.

www.straitstimes.com

localized tech？

 

[MiG-29SMT]

The biggest jewel in the commercial aircraft industry is the large passenger jet and the engine

The Chinese are entering

I hope the Brazilians and Japanese do the same

aircraft are business Brazil is already there the Phenom has more than 700 aircraft delivered.

The Honda aircraft 200 delivered,


You still do not get it, aircraft even big ones not always recover the investment, so Lockheed lose money on L-1011 and MC Donnel lose money on DC-10, Brazil and Russia can develop bigger aircraft, but bigger aircraft require more investment and are built in smaller numbers E-jets are already among the 10 most produced aircraft. even B-747 built less jumbo jets, but private jets requiere less investment and are not dominated by Airbus or Boeing.


C929 is a higher risk and Russia now is only provider so China will need to invest more and a few accidents can destroy a program in example DC-10, you talk with nationalism not historical facts

 

[MiG-29SMT]

The biggest jewel in the commercial aircraft industry is the large passenger jet and the engine

The Chinese are entering

I hope the Brazilians and Japanese do the same

aircraft are business

Regarding the supply to Elon Musk's company Space X, Garza T emphasized that it was a relationship that started very technically in a process that took a year and a half, but today Frisa is the main supplier of products for engines that go under the launch rocket.

Frisa will invest US$200 million to expand plants - MEXICONOW

The Monterrey-based company Frisa will invest US$200 million to increase the capacity of its plants located in the municipalities of Garcia

mexico-now.com

Frisa from Mexico provides parts that go on rockets because is cheaper being provider than main manufacturer, the risk is higher

SpaceX Falcon 9 launches Starlink satellites from California

SpaceX Falcon 9 launches Starlink satellites from California – Spaceflight Now

spaceflightnow.com

 

[KurtisBrian]

True. China invented gunpowder and paper.

West used gunpowder to conquer India and Africa and still control the world through its paper money. They had local production of gunpowder and paper.

The Iroqois, Mohawks, Sioux, Dakotas and Apaches were genocided by the white man with guns. If they had mastered the making of guns, they would survive but according to the Indians in this forum that would be copying and they should just let the white man kill them off

Master the production -- and then turn the tables:

Kill them off, really? India was completely conquered.

from Wikipedia (if somebody has more accurate data feel free to correct).
"India. The Indian population was about 100 million in 1500. Under the Mughal Empire, the population rose to 160 million in 1700 by 1800 the population rose to 185 million. "

185 million to 1.76? Billion. hmmm nope the current number is MUCH larger. don't seem to be being killed off.

 

[Azaad]

Kill them off, really? India was completely conquered.

from Wikipedia (if somebody has more accurate data feel free to correct).
"India. The Indian population was about 100 million in 1500. Under the Mughal Empire, the population rose to 160 million in 1700 by 1800 the population rose to 185 million. "

185 million to 1.76? Billion. hmmm nope the current number is MUCH larger. don't seem to be being killed off.

Completely conquered ? Still getting high on extra sweet maple syrup aren't we chang ?

School time for you - show me one nation or people who were "completely conquered " by the Abrahamic religio but weren't completely converted ? Answer - no one .

Do you know why ?

Further school time for you :

Mughal–Maratha Wars - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Mughal Maratha wars also known as the 27 year war which broke the back of the Mughal empire.

Moreover if I were Chinese I'd be grateful to India . It's because significant parts of India was occupied & simultaneously at war continuously with the Turco Afghans & the Turco Mongols later followed by the British that China was spared both conversion & occupation though you couldn't be saved from the Yuan or the Manchu.

The Arabs booted you out of central Asia following the Battle of Talas during the Tang Dynasty rule & barring the Yuan Empire but not the Song before them & followed by the Manchus but not the ming before them you were out of that zone till modern times .

 

[Azaad]

True. China invented gunpowder and paper.

West used gunpowder to conquer India and Africa and still control the world through its paper money. They had local production of gunpowder and paper.

The Iroqois, Mohawks, Sioux, Dakotas and Apaches were genocided by the white man with guns. If they had mastered the making of guns, they would survive but according to the Indians in this forum that would be copying and they should just let the white man kill them off

Master the production -- and then turn the tables:
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Reminds me of Kubla Khan's two disastrous attempts to conquer Japan by building up a massive Armada of ships running into thousands . The Chinese still seem to think quantity will win them without focusing on raising a properly trained cadre of officers & sailors to man such a blue water navy which incidentally is much more than the sum of it's parts meaning it's not merely about building up numbers but equipping them with experienced manpower which takes a couple of generations to achieve.

Book mark this post & re visit it once great helmsman 2.0 launched his operation to retake Taiwan.

 

[Azaad]

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India claims cow dung chip protects against radiation

NEW DELHI (AFP) - An Indian government unit established to develop soaps and medicinal products from cow dung has branched out with a "chip" it claims can protect people from cellphone radiation. Read more at straitstimes.com.

www.straitstimes.com

localized tech？

I'm told the owner took his lessons from Chinese entrepreneurs but unlike the Chinese decided to export such chips. The Chinese by contrast wouldn't think twice before selling this stuff at home before exporting. Which is why I admire the Han . Such a trustworthy race , I tell you .

 

[ym888]

aircraft are business Brazil is already there the Phenom has more than 700 aircraft delivered.

The Honda aircraft 200 delivered,


You still do not get it, aircraft even big ones not always recover the investment, so Lockheed lose money on L-1011 and MC Donnel lose money on DC-10, Brazil and Russia can develop bigger aircraft, but bigger aircraft require more investment and are built in smaller numbers E-jets are already among the 10 most produced aircraft. even B-747 built less jumbo jets, but private jets requiere less investment and are not dominated by Airbus or Boeing.


C929 is a higher risk and Russia now is only provider so China will need to invest more and a few accidents can destroy a program in example DC-10, you talk with nationalism not historical facts

Correction, no Russians were involved in c929,

Russia pulled out of CR929,

This is C929

I'm not very interested in small planes



A new small aircraft factory opened in China yesterday



80% of the parts are made in China, and 100% will be made in the future

Worth $250,000, to be exported to the United States,


Assembling the aircraft is as easy as assembling a car

 

[KurtisBrian]

Completely conquered ? Still getting high on extra sweet maple syrup aren't we chang ?

School time for you - show me one nation or people who were "completely conquered " by the Abrahamic religio but weren't completely converted ? Answer - no one .

Do you know why ?

Further school time for you :

Mughal–Maratha Wars - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Mughal Maratha wars also known as the 27 year war which broke the back of the Mughal empire.

Moreover if I were Chinese I'd be grateful to India . It's because significant parts of India was occupied & simultaneously at war continuously with the Turco Afghans & the Turco Mongols later followed by the British that China was spared both conversion & occupation though you couldn't be saved from the Yuan or the Manchu.

The Arabs booted you out of central Asia following the Battle of Talas during the Tang Dynasty rule & barring the Yuan Empire but not the Song before them & followed by the Manchus but not the ming before them you were out of that zone till modern times .

okay. I referred to India being completely conquered. I never said Indians. I was using conquered with the definition,
adjective
adjective: conquered

1. (of a place or people) having been overcome and taken control of by military force.
   "a conquered people"

I never said Indians were assimilated or utterly broken.

Were not the remaining "independent" princely states under control by the British? Hence completely used to describe the entire area.
Wikipedia says the princely states where under "British paramountcy" which apparently means the "independent" princely were crown dependencies or protectorates. Also says the British eventually extended control over the whole of India.

Have a nice day.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

I don't eat these things,

and I don't drink cow urine.

Seems like the top choice for the Chinese elites in Beijing and other cities. If your dicks don’t work, try eating dicks of various animals to get it working. I mean $400 for a penis is something only the 100 million or so CCP members can afford. So I am guessing you are not an elite.
It is interesting that this restaurant is top of the line in Chinese cities. I wonder if Xi is eating there to show some virility.

 

[ym888]

China's first 350km/h cross-sea high-speed railway to start operation

A high-speed train drives on the Wulong River Bridge part of the Fuzhou-Xiamen high-speed railway, August 31, 2023. /CFP
China's first cross-sea high-speed railway, designed to run at a top speed of 350 kilometers per hour (km/h), is set to enter operation on September 28 in east China's Fujian Province, said the country's railway operator on Tuesday.
The railway is expected to connect Fuzhou and Xiamen, two major cities in Fujian Province, slashing travel time between the two to just 55 minutes, according to the China State Railway Group Co., Ltd.
Extending 277 kilometers in total, the railway will run through the cities of Fuzhou, Putian, Quanzhou, Xiamen and Zhangzhou, said the operator.

The Fuzhou-Xiamen high-speed railway route map is seen on the picture. /China State Railway Group Co., Ltd.
The construction of the railway began in September 2017.
The railway will feature various intelligent technologies, including the Internet of Things, edge computing and geographic information system, to ensure safe and sound operation, the operator added.
Located on the southeastern coast of China, Fujian Province boasts vast cultural and tourism resources and is also famed for playing a key role in the country's opening up.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

When you search for videos with “chongqing in day time” you get nothing on YT. Only night time glitz. I wondered why, then I found this explanation. Chongqing, the futuristic Chinese city, is polluted like hell and dirty as Lahore. This video is from 2023.