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ZHUHAI, China -- A Chinese-made passenger jet set to compete with American and European rivals counts roughly 40% of its core component suppliers as overseas companies, exposing the risks posed by U.S. trade frictions to a plane that has been under development for more than a decade.
The C919 jetliner, being manufactured by the Commercial Aircraft Corp of China, or COMAC, is due to be delivered to the first customer by the end of the year. However, with that deadline looming, the plane was a no-show at the Airshow China in Zhuhai on Thursday. COMAC instead exhibited a life-size model of the cabin.


Russia’s United Engine has completed manufacturing work on the primary components of a prototype Aviadvigatel PD-8 powerplant.

The PD-8 is a lower-thrust variant of a family which centres on the PD-14 designed for the Irkut MC-21-310.

 
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  • Russia celebrates the successful first flight of the import-free Sukhoi Superjet 100, a milestone in their efforts to domestically manufacture a narrowbody aircraft.
  • The test flight evaluated the onboard systems, controllability, and stability of the Sukhoi Superjet 100.
  • Russia aims to reduce its dependence on Western aircraft and parts, but still faces challenges in replacing Airbus and Boeing fleets within its airlines, which currently rely heavily on Western-made aircraft and spare parts.
he import-free Sukhoi Superjet 100, also known as the SJ-100, was produced by the Yakovlev Production Center of the United Aircraft Corporation. When commenting on the inaugural flight of the Sukhoi Superjet 100, which featured no Western-made components, Russia's Minister of Industry and Trade, Denis Manturov, stated:

“The first flight of the Superjet, created under the program of import substitution of systems and components, is the success of thousands of teams of enterprises in the aircraft manufacturing and radio-electronic industries that are part of the management of the Rostec State Corporation.”
The test flight lasted 54 minutes and took place at altitudes of up to 3,000 meters, with speeds reaching up to 343 kilometers per hour. During the test flight, the aircraft underwent assessments for the stable operation of all onboard systems and its controllability and stability in flight. Pilots also performed a cloud landing as well as a go-around procedure.



 

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This is what China has built -- along with the so-called ghost cities -- just in the past decade:

1) A brand new EV industry:
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2) A full spectrum semiconductor supply chain:
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3) A full fledged airliner and aircraft engine industry:
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4) New high value shipbuilding sectors in VLGCs and cruiseliners:
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It takes money to make money ;)
che argentina hace carros electricos Argentina starts production of domestic electric cars, wow I though Chinese were the only ones doing it

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Electric mobility made in Argentina has three references in the car segment. Sero Electric (manufactured in the Aeronautical Technological Industrial Park in Morón, Buenos Aires); Tito and the Tita truck (manufactured by Coradir in San Luis) and Volt (produced by Volts Motors, in Córdoba).


Each model was presented at different times and goes through dissimilar realities. The first to be marketed in private areas was Sero Eléctric, in 2015, who in June 2019 obtained the Model Configuration License (LCM) and was authorized to circulate on public roads (not highways).


The Tito electric car was launched exactly one year later, in June 2020, while the Tita truck was launched in July 2021. It is the one that resonates the most within this niche, since it has 193 patented units in 2022, surpassing even other electric cars from massive brands.

The third electric car in question is the Volt, which despite being launched in 2018, has not yet managed to begin its industrial marketing phase. To find out the situation, Iprofesional visited the company's facilities in Córdoba exclusively, where in addition to seeing the evolution of the model, he agreed to the plans that the group has to go out and fight its national rivals.


Rising sales for Argentine electric cars
In the latest annual report published by the association that brings together the main car manufacturers in Argentina (ADEFA), the encouraging figure of 7,846 units of ecological cars (hybrid and electric) marketed during 2022 was reflected. A small amount, but which speaks of a growth of 30% compared to the previous year.

In this ranking, the Tito surprised with its almost 200 units sold, while the Sero Eléctric barely achieved 10 sales. While the Volt did not have any patents last year (in 2021 it had 3 patented cars according to Acara).

The Volt Electric in one of the production phases
The Volt Electric in one of the production phases.
Given these results, engineer Daniel Parodi, CEO and founder of Volt Motors, said that he is working on the electric car in a stealthy manner and with structural changes in the engineering team to start a new era of the Volt, which will finally begin this year. the path towards industrialization with a model that is far from the one that was exhibited years ago, and in a few months it will see great changes.


Daniel Parodi, CEO and founder of Volt, with the work team.
Daniel Parodi, CEO and founder of Volt, with the work team.
How much will the Volt electric car cost?
The Volt electric car in its passenger version will cost around US$22,000, while the cargo version will cost around US$15,000.

Parodi tries not to refer to his rivals, although it is difficult not to. For this reason, the CEO is quick to highlight the strong engineering work within the Córdoba company, which has more engineers than operators, a reality that is unparalleled with respect to his rivals, according to Parodi.

"We develop our dies, we design them, we machine them and we produce our parts, which make up 60% of the car. The Sero Electric has an Italian design, while the Tito is a Chinese CKD. In fact, you can see that car in Uruguay with another brand," he clarified.


The Volt is designed in Argentina.
The Volt is designed in Argentina.
What the engineer expressed is correlated after showing you an important ship. In it, details were being finalized in the assembly of a production line that will be operational in a few months: "The idea is to have the capacity to produce about 500 Volt per year," anticipated one of the engineers as we moved between the facilities.

But that is not all. To this first production line, in which the electric car will go through eight phases, a second line will be added in the next six months, with which the firm assures that it will be able to reach 3,000 units per year.
 

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Very strange way of thinking! How can you build unviable infrastructure if you have no money in the first place? Where would that trillion come from?

Why all this magical thinking? China has the money to build many things. You people are jealous so you call them "unviable."

This is like a homeless man who lives in cardbox saying the wealthy man who has three homes is just showing off! The rich might be showing off and wasteful but he still has three homes and you live in a cardboard box!

If China is wasteful, it is because it has an over abundance of funds. All developing countries are developing because they do not have a strong enough economy to fund development ;)
lol...thats how u make infrastructure. by loaning external nd internal debt. stupid people like u think debt/loan is their fathers property. keep increasing ur loans nd be proud of ur infrastructure.
china external debts:-

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ZHUHAI, China -- A Chinese-made passenger jet set to compete with American and European rivals counts roughly 40% of its core component suppliers as overseas companies, exposing the risks posed by U.S. trade frictions to a plane that has been under development for more than a decade.
The C919 jetliner, being manufactured by the Commercial Aircraft Corp of China, or COMAC, is due to be delivered to the first customer by the end of the year. However, with that deadline looming, the plane was a no-show at the Airshow China in Zhuhai on Thursday. COMAC instead exhibited a life-size model of the cabin.


This means that China, the US, and Europe all profit
 

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  • Russia celebrates the successful first flight of the import-free Sukhoi Superjet 100, a milestone in their efforts to domestically manufacture a narrowbody aircraft.
  • The test flight evaluated the onboard systems, controllability, and stability of the Sukhoi Superjet 100.
  • Russia aims to reduce its dependence on Western aircraft and parts, but still faces challenges in replacing Airbus and Boeing fleets within its airlines, which currently rely heavily on Western-made aircraft and spare parts.
he import-free Sukhoi Superjet 100, also known as the SJ-100, was produced by the Yakovlev Production Center of the United Aircraft Corporation. When commenting on the inaugural flight of the Sukhoi Superjet 100, which featured no Western-made components, Russia's Minister of Industry and Trade, Denis Manturov, stated:


The test flight lasted 54 minutes and took place at altitudes of up to 3,000 meters, with speeds reaching up to 343 kilometers per hour. During the test flight, the aircraft underwent assessments for the stable operation of all onboard systems and its controllability and stability in flight. Pilots also performed a cloud landing as well as a go-around procedure.



I doubt COMAC will get to where the Russians have with their Sukhoi Superjet 100 even 20 years from now .
 

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Very strange way of thinking! How can you build unviable infrastructure if you have no money in the first place? Where would that trillion come from?

Why all this magical thinking? China has the money to build many things. You people are jealous so you call them "unviable."

This is like a homeless man who lives in cardbox saying the wealthy man who has three homes is just showing off! The rich might be showing off and wasteful but he still has three homes and you live in a cardboard box!

If China is wasteful, it is because it has an over abundance of funds. All developing countries are developing because they do not have a strong enough economy to fund development ;)
You can always opt for con schemes like BRI as the Sri Lankans among so many others did to develop infrastructure where none was needed at usurious rates of interest failing which the said investment becomes the property of the state of China like Hambantota port . Check out what's happened to the Rajapakse family too meanwhile.


Which is why it's imperative China keeps up it's building frenzy & builds more & more as I wrote earlier.

Or like some rich I can always run a ponzi scheme showing people I've an inexhaustible source of money by building & building more & more stuff with little practical usage which is exactly what CCP's doing.

Of course China's an abundance of funds . If in spite of such abundance construction giants like Evergrande collapse it's only coz great helmsman 2.0 wants a good laugh every once in a while.
 

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I was referring to 100% indigenization of all parts like the Russians have achieved with their Sukhoi Superjet 100 .
Have the Russians achieved 100%?

The c929 is expected to be powered by Chinese-made engines



However, as a civil aircraft, it is not necessary to pursue 100% domestic parts
 

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This means that China, the US, and Europe all profit
china is propaganda

MELBOURNE, Fla., May 11, 2023 /PRNewswire/ -- To continue providing reliable global access and exceptional service to current NetJets Owners and their guests, NetJets has signed a new deal with Embraer (B3: EMBR3, NYSE: ERJ) for up to 250 Praetor 500 jet options, which includes a comprehensive services and support agreement. The deal is valued in excess of US $5 billion, with deliveries expected to begin in 2025, and will be NetJets' first time offering the midsize Praetor 500 to customers. For over a decade, NetJets has operated Embraer's Phenom 300 series—one of NetJets' most requested aircraft.

The partnership between Embraer and NetJets began in 2010 when NetJets first signed a purchase agreement for 50 Phenom 300 aircraft, with up to 75 additional options. In 2021, after Embraer successfully delivered over 100 aircraft, the companies signed a continuing deal for up to 100 additional Phenom 300/E jets, in excess of $1.2 billion.


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  • The Embraer Phenom 300 is the most popular light business jet, with over 700 deliveries to date.
 

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Have the Russians achieved 100%?

The c929 is expected to be powered by Chinese-made engines



However, as a civil aircraft, it is not necessary to pursue 100% domestic parts
That's what the article linked claims Chang. Are you still using Baidu translate ?
 

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Very strange way of thinking! How can you build unviable infrastructure if you have no money in the first place? Where would that trillion come from?

Why all this magical thinking? China has the money to build many things. You people are jealous so you call them "unviable."

This is like a homeless man who lives in cardbox saying the wealthy man who has three homes is just showing off! The rich might be showing off and wasteful but he still has three homes and you live in a cardboard box!

If China is wasteful, it is because it has an over abundance of funds. All developing countries are developing because they do not have a strong enough economy to fund development ;)

 

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Less than Spain?



Good sign
whatever dude.....i m telling "ur sexy chinese lady" from where chinese nd others infrastructure funds is coming. she is telling us like chinese make their infrastructure on their own money. meanwhile ur internal debt is 250% of ur gdp. that mean if ur gdp is 19 trillion, its 250% means = 19×250÷100 = 47.5 trillion dollars nd ur external debt is near 2.5 trillion dollars😝. if u print that much money, ur yuan price will reach bottom line. mean while india hv only 620 billion dollar external debts nd internal debt is near 2.7 trillion dollar. india is in very comfortable position, compaire to other major economies. that mean chinese hv 260 % total debts of gdp, meanwhile indian hv less than 100% of debts of gdp. 😜😁
 
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I doubt COMAC will get to where the Russians have with their Sukhoi Superjet 100 even 20 years from now .
I would suggest emperor Xi Pingpong to make C919 as his presidential (airforce one) jet. That will put confidence into Chinese population that despite assembled in China , it contains majority foreign parts hence trustworthy.

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whatever dude.....i m telling "ur sexy chinese lady" from where chinese nd others infrastructure funds is coming. she is telling us like chinese make their infrastructure on their own money. meanwhile ur internal debt is 250% of ur gdp. that mean if ur gdp is 19 trillion, its 250% means = 19×250÷100 = 47.5 trillion dollars nd ur external debt is near 2.5 trillion dollars😝. if u print that much money, ur yuan price will reach bottom line. mean while india hv only 620 billion dollar external debts nd internal debt is near 2.7 trillion dollar. india is in very comfortable position, compaire to other major economies. that mean chinese hv 260 % total debts of gdp, meanwhile indian hv less than 100% of debts of gdp. 😜😁
So China has 19T,



India has 3.2T
 

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CHINA’S 1.5 EXAFLOPS SUPERCOMPUTER CHASES GORDON BELL PRIZE – AGAIN
September 15, 2023 Timothy Prickett Morgan

The Association for Computing Machinery has just put out the finalists for the Gordon Bell Prize award that will be given out at the SC23 supercomputing conference in Denver, and as you might expect, some of the biggest iron assembled in the world are driving the advanced applications that have their eyes on the prize.
The ACM warns that the final system sizes and final results of the simulations and models run are not yet completed, but we have a look at one of them because the researchers in China’s National Supercomputing Center in Wuxi actually published a paper they will formally released in November ahead of the SC23 conference. That paper, Towards Exascale Computation for Turbomachinery Flows, was run on the “Oceanlite” supercomputing system, which we first wrote about way back in February 2021, that won a Gorden Bell prize in November 2021 for a quantum simulation across 41.9 million cores, and that we speculated the configuration of back in March 2022 when Alibaba Group, Tsinghua University, DAMO Academy, Zhejiang Lab, and Beijing Academy of Artificial Intelligence ran a pretrained machine learning model called BaGuaLu, across more than 37 million cores and 14.5 trillion parameters in the Oceanlite machine.
NASA tossed down a grand challenge nearly a decade ago to do a time-dependent simulation of a complete jet engine, with aerodynamic and heat transfer simulated, and the Wuxi team, with the help of engineering researchers at a number of universities in China, the United States, and the United Kingdom have picked up the gauntlet. What we found interesting about the paper is that it confirmed many of our speculations about the Oceanlite machine.

The system, write the paper’s authors, had over 100,000 of the custom SW26010-Pro processors designed by China’s National Research Center of Parallel Computer Engineering and Technology (known as NRCPC) for the Oceanlite system. The SW26010-Pro processor is etched using 14 nanometer processes from China’s national foundry, Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corp (SMIC), and looks like this:

The Sunway chip family is “inspired” by the 64-bit DEC Alpha 21164 processor, which is still one of the best CPUs ever made; the 16-core SW-1 chip debuted in China way back in 2006.
There are six blocks of core groups in the processor, with each core group having one fatter management processing element (MPE) for managing Linux threads and an eight by eight grid of cores comprising a compute processing element (CPE) with 256 KB of L2 cache. Each CPE has four logic blocks, which can support FP64 and FP32 math on one pair and FP16 and BF16 on another pair. Each of the core groups in the SW26010-Pro has a DDR4 memory controller and 16 GB of memory with 51.4 GB/sec of memory bandwidth, so the full device has 96 GB of main memory and 307.2 GB/sec of bandwidth. The six CPEs are linked by a ring interconnect and have two network interfaces that link them to the outside world using a proprietary interconnect, which we ave always thought was heavily inspired by the InfiniBand technology used in the original TaihuLight system. The SW26010-Pro chip is rated at 14.03 petaflops at either FP64 or FP32 precision and 55.3 petaflops at BF16 or FP16 precision.

The largest configuration of Oceanlite that we have heard of had 107,520 nodes (with one SW26010-Pro comprising a node) for a total of 41.93 million cores across 105 cabinets, and the paper just announced confirmed that the machine had a theoretical peak performance of 1.5 exaflops, which matches the performance we estimated (1.51 exaflops) and almost perfectly matches the clock speed (2.2 GHz) we estimated almost two years ago. As it turns out, the MPE cores run at 2.1 GHz and the CPE cores run at 2.25 GHz.
We still think that China may have built a bigger Oceanlite machine than this, or certainly could. At 120 cabinets, the machine would scale to 1.72 exaflops peak at FP64 percision, which is very slightly bigger than the 1.68 exaflops “Frontier” supercomputer at Oak Ridge National Laboratory, and at 160 cabinets, Oceanlite would have just under 2.3 exaflops peak at FP64. As noted in the comments below, the Wuxi team will be presenting the Oceanlite machine during a session at SC23 in November, and that session says the machine has 5 exaflops of mixed precision performance across 40 million cores. That implies a 2.5 exaflops peak performance at FP64 and FP32 precision and 5 exaflops at FP16 and FP8 precision. But that might now be the peak. If you assume the old rule of thumb that a machine tops out at 200 cabinets, then Oceanlite could be a machine that does a peak 3 exaflops at higher precision FP64 and FP32 and 6 exaflops peak at lower precision FP16 and FP8. That beast would weigh in at 202,933 nodes and 79.34 million cores.
Those latter numbers, if they turn out to be valid, are important if China wants to be a spoiler and try to put a machine in the field that bests the impending “El Capitan” machine at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, which is promised to have in excess of 2 exaflops of FP64 oomph.
For the latest Gordon Bell prize entry, the jet engine simulation was run on Oceanlite with approximately 58,333 nodes, which represents over 350,000 MPE cores and over 22.4 million CPE cores. That is a little bit more than half of the largest configuration of Oceanlite that has been reported in a paper. It is interesting that the sustained performance of the application was only 115.8 petaflops.
Another Gordon Bell finalist for 2023 is a team at the University of Michigan and the Indian Institute of Science who worked with the team at Oak Ridge on the Frontier system to use a hybrid machine learning and HPC simulation approach to combine density function theory and the quantum many body problem to do quantum particle simulations. With this work, the resulting software was able to scale across 60 percent of the Frontier system. Don’t assume that means this quantum simulation ran at a sustained 1 exaflops; it will probably be more like 650 petaflops, and perhaps a lot less depending on the computational and network efficiency of the Frontier box when it comes to this particular application.
The third finalist for the Gordon Bell prize consists of researchers at Penn State and the University of Illinois, who worked with teams at Argonne National Laboratory and Oak Ridge to simulate a nuclear reactor. (Way back in the day, we got our start in writing at the Penn State NukeE department, so kudos Lions.) This simulation, which included radiation transport with heat and fluid simulation inside of the reactor, and the ACM report says it ran on 8,192 nodes in the Frontier system, which is officially sized at 9,402 nodes and which have one “Trento” custom Epyc CPU per node and four “Aldebaran” Instinct MI250X GPU accelerators per node for a total of 37,608 GPUs.
Finalist number four for the 2023 Gordon Bell away is comprised of teams from KTH Royal Institute of Technology, Friedrich-Alexander-Universitat, Max Planck Computing and Data Facility, and Technische Universität Ilmenau who scale Neko, a high-fidelity spectral element code, across 16,384 GPUs on the “Lumi” supercomputer in Finland and the “Leonardo” supercomputer in Italy.
King Abdullah University of Science and Technology and Cerebras Systems teamed up to run seismic processing simulations for oil reservoirs on a cluster of 48 CS-2 wafer-scale systems from Cerebras that have a total of 35.8 million cores. This one is neat because it is bending an AI matrix math machine to do HPC work – something we have reported on frequently.
Number six of the 2023 finalists is a team from Harvard University, who used the “Perlmutter” hybrid CPU-GPU system at Lawerence Berkeley National Laboratory to simulate the atomic structure of an HIV virus capsid up to 44 million atoms and several nanoseconds of simulation. They were able to push strong scaling up to 100 million atoms.

This year, the ACM is also presenting its first Gordon Bell Prize for Climate modeling, and as we said we hoped would happen when in April of this year we covered the SCREAM variant of the Energy Exascale Earth System Model, also known as E3SM, developed and extended by Sandia National Laboratories, this extended resolution weather model is up for a prize. SCREAM is interesting is that is started from scratch for parts of the code, using C++ and the Kokkos library to parcel code out to CPUs and GPUs in systems, and in this case it was run on the Frontier machine at Oak Ridge, simulating 1.26 years per day for a practical cloud-resolving simulation.
The Sunway Oceanlite system is a finalist here, too, but this one simulated the effects of the underwater volcanic eruption off of Tonga in late 2021 and early 2022, including shock waves, earthquakes, tsunamis, and water and ash dispersal. The combination of simulations and models was able to simulate 400 billon particles and ran across 39 million cores in the Oceanlite system with 80 percent computational efficiency. (We want to see the paper on this one.)
The third Gordon Bell climate modeling finalist is a team of researchers in Japan who got their hands on 11,580 nodes in the “Fugaku” supercomputer at RIKEN lab – about 7 percent of the total nodes in the machine – and did a 1,000 ensemble, 500-meter resolution weather model with 30 second refresh for the 2021 Tokyo Olympics. This was a real use case, and over 75,248 weather forecasts distributed over a 30 day period and each 30 minute forecast was done in under three minutes.
So, basically, for the most part, this comes down to Froniter versus Oceanlite. Quelle surprise. . . .
 

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