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The report shows that Huawei continues to strengthen investment in R&D, with an annual expenditure of 23.51 billion USD in 2022



This is huge amount, it's like 16th if Huawei were nation, similar amount to Spain.


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You've made a big mistake

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I always think China is quite unique developing nation.

China's R&D % of GDP is quite strange (3.1%), as most developing nations and regions, the % should be somewhere below 1%:


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Very good, then we looks like a normal developing nation.

The level of R&D expenditure intensity ranks 13th in the world, between the average of the European Union (2.2%) and OECD countries (2.7%).
 

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I always think China is quite unique developing nation.

China's R&D % of GDP is quite strange (3.1%), as most developing nations and regions, the % should be somewhere below 1%:


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Is the MSS budget included in this 3.1% China spends in spite of being "a developing country ?"

On topic @huawei , it's quite admirable Huawei has come up with a completely backward & forward integrated ecosystem but where will it sell it in ? All the developing countries have either banned Huawei or restricted it's usage which means besides China it has no real markets from which to earn from . Add to that the fact it's incompatible with Google nor can Huawei move courts to sue Google claiming restrictive practices.

Now consider what the situation would be if you didn't antagonise India ? As usual we're asleep & Huawei would find a huge Market here just like Tik Tok - a mostly useless app did & voila just like that Chinese products would enjoy presence & dominance in 2 markets which between themselves make up nearly 40% of the world's population apart from developing newer apps in India like Google , Facebook & do many western companies are doing .

Yet what has CCP done ? It went ahead & made enemies of what was essentially a neutral country in your fight with the west. Seems right out of the pages of Sun Tzu tiapa's Art of War !!
 

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Is the MSS budget included in this 3.1% China spends in spite of being "a developing country ?"
Don't know, maybe western media boosted, like the military spending:

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On topic @huawei , it's quite admirable Huawei has come up with a completely backward & forward integrated ecosystem but where will it sell it in ? All the developing countries have either banned Huawei or restricted it's usage which means besides China it has no real markets from which to earn from . Add to that the fact it's incompatible with Google nor can Huawei move courts to sue Google claiming restrictive practices.
Germany Purportedly Approves Telecom Operators to Use 5G Tech of Huawei & SMIC



Now consider what the situation would be if you didn't antagonise India ? As usual we're asleep & Huawei would find a huge Market here just like Tik Tok - a mostly useless app did & voila just like that Chinese products would enjoy presence & dominance in 2 markets which between themselves make up nearly 40% of the world's population apart from developing newer apps in India like Google , Facebook & do many western companies are doing .
So now here is the chance. And when will you have ur own app product gains popularities based on 0.7% of GDP for R&D?
 

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Don't know, maybe western media boosted, like the military spending:

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Germany Purportedly Approves Telecom Operators to Use 5G Tech of Huawei & SMIC





So now here is the chance. And when will you have ur own app product gains popularities based on 0.7% of GDP for R&D?
Don't know ??? You were the one who linked that piece of statistic here . Are you saying you don't know or understand what you're linking out here ?

Germany does a lot of things it regrets later like buy Russian gas only to stop it or shut down it's N power plants & coal based plants only to restart the latter once they face a crisis.

We're waiting for you to make your move on Taiwan or for your trade war with the gwailou to escalate which is basically interlinked like what's happening with your EVs in the EU . Till then we're doing what we can .
 

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EU escalates response to Chinese EV industry amid concerns over Europe's competitiveness
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Wed, September 20, 2023 at 6:52 AM GMT+9·2 min read
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The European Commission (EC) has expedited its response to the potential disruption of the European Union's (EU) auto industry by Chinese electric vehicle (EV) manufacturers, according to reports from Tuesday. This move comes amid rising concerns over Europe's competitiveness, influenced by the fragility of the German economy, the impending entry of BYD (SZ:002594) electric vehicles into the European market, and ongoing revisions to Europe's Economic Security Policy.
In a swift turn of events, the EC has initiated an investigation into China for suspected commercial dumping of electric vehicles in Europe. This action has been taken more rapidly than expected, considering the significant economic ties between Germany and China. The probe bears similarities to a previous inquiry into Chinese solar panels.
Reacting strongly against this move by the EC, China has criticized German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock for referring to Xi Jinping as a dictator during a U.S. visit. The fallout from this situation has further strained relations between the two nations.
In related developments, the French Ministry for the 'Green Transition' is modifying government grants for EV purchases, which will no longer apply to most Asian-made EVs. The German Bundesbank has also issued an unexpected warning to German industry about the need to minimize their risk exposure to China.

The EU's assertive stance is partly motivated by additional evidence of corporate espionage by China, its lack of engagement at the G20, and its open alliance with Russia. German car manufacturers such as Volkswagen (ETR:VOWG_p), which holds a 13% market share in China, are particularly susceptible. Any retaliatory measures such as tariffs or restrictions on battery materials like lithium would signify a clear escalation by China.
Complicating matters further, Italy has chosen to disengage from China's Belt Road Initiative (BRI), and German car companies' reliance on China as an export market could potentially exacerbate the EU's apprehensions about China's growing influence. These developments underscore the escalating tensions between the EU and China, with the auto industry at the crux of their economic confrontations.
 

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Booming electric car brand BYD is preparing to unleash a wave of new models in Australia over the next 12 months.
BYD is the second biggest electric car brand in the world behind Tesla and its sales in Australia are skyrocketing.

EVDirect.com CEO Luke Todd pictured with the new BYD Dolphin. Picture David Clark

EVDirect.com CEO Luke Todd pictured with the new BYD Dolphin. Picture David Clark
Luke Todd, the head of BYD importer EV Direct, detailed four new models at the opening of the brand’s new mega store in Alexandria, Sydney.

The first Australian customers will be taking delivery of the BYD Dolphin in about six weeks. It is the nation’s cheapest EV priced at $38,890 before on-road costs.

“The quality of the BYD product is unparalleled for the price point that you’re paying and we are confident in our product,” says Todd.

The first BYD Dolphins will be on the road in six weeks.

The first BYD Dolphins will be on the road in six weeks.
“If you put the Dolphin head-to-head in the market in a comparable spec the Dolphin is a standout in as far as its quality, driveability, space, affordability and you’re getting the best technology now.”

The Dolphin has been engineered to achieve a five-star ANCAP rating.

Following the Dolphin will be the Seal, which is a similar size to the fast-selling Tesla Model 3.

The BYD Seal will arrive later this year.

The BYD Seal will arrive later this year.
It’s a slick looking four door with a more up-market feel than the BYD Atto 3 and the Dolphin.


Todd says the exact Seal line-up wasn’t confirmed yet but there would be several options.

“That’s the one thing we are still working through, but obviously we’ll have the top-spec high-performance all-wheel drive model.”

Todd says there will also be a “very competitively priced” entry model that will be rear-wheel drive.

Todd expects both the Dolphin and Seal to be high-volume sellers and says the Seal has already had more than 10,000 inquiries.

There will be multiple variants available of the Seal including a dual motor performance version.

There will be multiple variants available of the Seal including a dual motor performance version.
BYD showed off an SUV version of the Seal, dubbed the Seal U, at the Munich motor show earlier this month.

That model isn’t earmarked for Australia as it isn’t being built in right-hand drive yet but Todd says Australia will be getting a similar sized SUV to the Seal U next year.

The mid-size SUV is likely to be revealed in a few months.

Utes are also on the brand’s hit list.

The Seal has a more up-market feel to it than the Dolphin or Atto 3.

The Seal has a more up-market feel to it than the Dolphin or Atto 3.
BYD will be bringing a plug-in hybrid ute to Australia next year followed by a full electric version.

“These are not hybrids like people in Australia know them. It’s not a petrol car converted and had a battery stuck in it. These are electric platform vehicles that have ultra low emission and small combustion 1.5-litre turbo motors put into them to give people the best of both worlds, so no range anxiety.”

Todd says the ute will be delivered in customers hands by the end of next year and the company is targeting 2025 for the full electric version.

He says some of Australia’s top engineers have been working with BYD and doing testing in the jungle and on proving grounds.

“It is possibly the most exciting vehicle to come to Australia. It is everything you’d want in a ute and pick-up,” says Todd.
 

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I always think China is quite unique developing nation.

China's R&D % of GDP is quite strange (3.1%), as most developing nations and regions, the % should be somewhere below 1%:


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If you look at Chinese consumption in cars, homes, ACs, electricity and other major purchases, China has a real economy that is anywhere between 1.5X to 2.0X the United States:

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R&D expenditures are fairly accurate since they are reported by corporations and institutions. But estimating the real economy is not.

The best way to guess at the real economy is through consumption. If China consumes twice as much as the US in bell weather goods such as cars and electricity then its real economy might actually be as much as twice as large as the US one.

A much larger economy would bring China's R&D percentage to between 1.5 to 1.8% which is still twice that of other developing nations but not as insane as 3.1%.

What is really unique about China is that it is a developing nation that consumes twice as much as the wealthiest developed nation!!! :D

Everything else flow from this huge consuming economy.
 

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PARIS (Reuters) - France on Wednesday published new eligibility rules for electric car incentives to exclude EVs made in China, even though carmakers in Europe do not have more affordable rival models on the French market.

WHY IS FRANCE REVISING ITS EV BONUS ELIGIBILITY RULES?

The French government currently offers buyers a cash incentive of between 5,000 and 7,000 euros in cash for eligible models to get more electric cars on the road, at a total cost of 1 billion euros ($1.07 billion) per year.

However, in the absence of cheap European-made EVs, a third of all incentives are going to consumers buying EVs made in China, a French finance ministry source said. The trend has helped spur a surge in imports and a growing competitive gap with domestic producers.



The scheme will be revamped from Dec. 15 to take into account the carbon emitted in a model's manufacturing process.

President Emmanuel Macron and government ministers have made little secret that they want to make sure French state cash is not benefiting Chinese carmakers.

WHAT DO THE NEW RULES DO?

Under the new rules, car models will be scored against government-set thresholds for the amount of energy used to make their materials, in their assembly and transport to market, as well as what type of battery the vehicle has.

Because Chinese industry generally relies heavily on coal-generated electricity, the criteria are likely to put the bonus out of Chinese carmakers' reach.

The government, which is to publish in December the names of models meeting the new standards, says that the criteria are compliant with WTO rules because exemptions are allowed for health and environmental reasons.

WILL IT DO ANYTHING?

With Chinese cars estimated to cost 20% less than European-made competitors, the bonus could make a difference for vehicles with a price tag of less than 25,000 euros.

But French car buyers will have to wait because Stellantis' Slovakia-made e-C3 city car and Renault's France-made R5 are not due to hit the market until 2024.

Nonetheless, many EVs made in China will remain competitive even without the cash incentive.

With a starting price of 30,000 euros, SAIC group's MG4 will be less expensive than Renault's equivalent Megane compact car, which starts at 38,000 euros - or 33,000 euros with a 5,000-euro incentive.

Since its 46,000-euro starting price is just below the 47,000-euro price threshold for the bonus, Tesla's Y model - one of the best selling electric vehicles in France - could in theory also be impacted by the new rules for vehicles made in China.

S&P Global Mobility analyst Lorraine Morard said that even if most Chinese cars are ineligible for the bonus they would probably get 7-8% of France's electric car market next year, instead of 10% otherwise.

WILL MANUFACTURERS RELOCATE TO EUROPE?

Renault CEO Luca De Meo recently ruled out moving production of the Dacia Spring from China to Europe and said he could live without the bonus.

The model is currently one of the best-selling electric car's in France with the Tesla Y, Peugeot's e-208, Fiat's 500e, the Megane eTech and MG4.

MG's Chinese parent company SAIC has said that it is looking for a production site in Europe as is Chinese rival BYD, whose Dolphin model will compete in the same segment as the MG4 and Megane with a starting price of 29,000 euros.

($1 = 0.9330 euros)

 

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  • China suffered a capital outflow of $49 billion in August, the largest since December 2015.
  • Of that amount, $29 billion fled securities investments, including a record-high exit from bonds.
  • Meanwhile, direct investment showed the steepest deficit since 2016.
China suffered a capital outflow of $49 billion last month, the largest since 2015, as the sputtering economy pushes investors toward the exits.

Of that amount, $29 billion fled securities investments, according to State Administration of Foreign Exchange data compiled by Bloomberg.

Foreign investors dumped a record-high $12 billion in mainland-listed stocks last month while also offloading Chinese bonds. August also saw a $16.8 billion deficit in direct investment, the deepest since 2016.

Declines in the capital account were also made more severe by the tourism season, with outbound travel taking a toll on the country's services sector, according to Bloomberg. And as inbound travel to China has yet to return to previous levels, the services trade continues to suffer a deficit.

The previous time China faced outflows of this size was when markets were reeling from a surprise currency devaluation in 2015.

In the current capital exodus, Beijing has implemented some measures to prop up the yuan, such as by slashing the amount of foreign currencies banks are required to hold.

Still, China has seen a massive decline in the offshore yuan, the free-flowing version of the currency that is used in foreign markets. Weak exports and the growing attraction of US yields also helped push the yuan to a 16-month low in September.

Capital flight in China may not be turned around easily, as expectations that the country can even meet its 5% GDP target this year begin to dim

 

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PARIS (Reuters) - France on Wednesday published new eligibility rules for electric car incentives to exclude EVs made in China, even though carmakers in Europe do not have more affordable rival models on the French market.

WHY IS FRANCE REVISING ITS EV BONUS ELIGIBILITY RULES?

The French government currently offers buyers a cash incentive of between 5,000 and 7,000 euros in cash for eligible models to get more electric cars on the road, at a total cost of 1 billion euros ($1.07 billion) per year.

However, in the absence of cheap European-made EVs, a third of all incentives are going to consumers buying EVs made in China, a French finance ministry source said. The trend has helped spur a surge in imports and a growing competitive gap with domestic producers.



The scheme will be revamped from Dec. 15 to take into account the carbon emitted in a model's manufacturing process.

President Emmanuel Macron and government ministers have made little secret that they want to make sure French state cash is not benefiting Chinese carmakers.

WHAT DO THE NEW RULES DO?

Under the new rules, car models will be scored against government-set thresholds for the amount of energy used to make their materials, in their assembly and transport to market, as well as what type of battery the vehicle has.

Because Chinese industry generally relies heavily on coal-generated electricity, the criteria are likely to put the bonus out of Chinese carmakers' reach.

The government, which is to publish in December the names of models meeting the new standards, says that the criteria are compliant with WTO rules because exemptions are allowed for health and environmental reasons.

WILL IT DO ANYTHING?

With Chinese cars estimated to cost 20% less than European-made competitors, the bonus could make a difference for vehicles with a price tag of less than 25,000 euros.

But French car buyers will have to wait because Stellantis' Slovakia-made e-C3 city car and Renault's France-made R5 are not due to hit the market until 2024.

Nonetheless, many EVs made in China will remain competitive even without the cash incentive.

With a starting price of 30,000 euros, SAIC group's MG4 will be less expensive than Renault's equivalent Megane compact car, which starts at 38,000 euros - or 33,000 euros with a 5,000-euro incentive.

Since its 46,000-euro starting price is just below the 47,000-euro price threshold for the bonus, Tesla's Y model - one of the best selling electric vehicles in France - could in theory also be impacted by the new rules for vehicles made in China.

S&P Global Mobility analyst Lorraine Morard said that even if most Chinese cars are ineligible for the bonus they would probably get 7-8% of France's electric car market next year, instead of 10% otherwise.

WILL MANUFACTURERS RELOCATE TO EUROPE?

Renault CEO Luca De Meo recently ruled out moving production of the Dacia Spring from China to Europe and said he could live without the bonus.

The model is currently one of the best-selling electric car's in France with the Tesla Y, Peugeot's e-208, Fiat's 500e, the Megane eTech and MG4.

MG's Chinese parent company SAIC has said that it is looking for a production site in Europe as is Chinese rival BYD, whose Dolphin model will compete in the same segment as the MG4 and Megane with a starting price of 29,000 euros.

($1 = 0.9330 euros)

During the Ukraine war, lots of key manufactures running out of EU to China and US.

According to the latest data from MOFCOM, EU investments in China grew by a staggering 92.2 percent year-on-year in 2022. Investments from Germany grew 52.9 percent year-on-year.

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France pushed this investigation because they had lillte share in EV, and most brands from Germany opposited it, they sold 6 million cars in China every year.

If they loss local automobile market, they almost nothing left. But of course, some low end brand like SEAT need to be eliminated anyway.

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The trend is good for EVs from US, China, Germany.


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Huawei Nearlink new wireless technology will debut on September 25

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Huawei nearlink debut September 25


Huawei Nearlink wireless technology is set to debut on September 25 with new products launching at the Autumn 2023 flagship unveiling conference. Last month, Huawei announced Nearlink and its capabilities at the HDC 2023 software event.
According to the information, Huawei MatePad Pro 13.2 will be one of the products taking advantage of this new wireless tech out of the box.
With Nearlink, Huawei is looking forward to the revolution in the area of wireless transmission capability. It’s revealed that Nearlink takes about 60% less power than traditional wireless transmission technologies. It has 6x faster speed, 1/30 delay, and 10x network connection support. These are some amazing qualities of the Nearlink.
Nearlink uses a set of standards to integrate the advantages of traditional wireless technologies including Bluetooth. It can solve the needs of smart devices and smart homes that cannot meet the ultimate experience such as latency and reliability in some subdivided scenarios.
Huawei nearlink debut September 25

For example, the air interface delay of an e-sports mouse can be increased from milliseconds to microseconds. In addition, with high bandwidth and anti-interference capabilities, lossless audio which has been difficult to achieve with Bluetooth headsets in the past has become a reality.
In the smart travel situation, the positioning accuracy of Nearlink digital car keys has changed from meter level to decimeter level. Still, the tech has not been seen in action and we would like to see all of these capabilities of Huawei Nearlink as its debut will happen next week.
Yet another unproven tech like the Huawei potato chip. Nothing to see here. Move on.
 

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During the Ukraine war, lots of key manufactures running out of EU to China and US.

According to the latest data from MOFCOM, EU investments in China grew by a staggering 92.2 percent year-on-year in 2022. Investments from Germany grew 52.9 percent year-on-year.

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France pushed this investigation because they had lillte share in EV, and most brands from Germany opposited it, they sold 6 million cars in China every year.

If they loss local automobile market, they almost nothing left. But of course, some low end brand like SEAT need to be eliminated anyway.

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The trend is good for EVs from US, China, Germany.


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I would say EU’s lack of ability to innovate and produce cheaper cars is the problem here. European purchasing power has declined quite a bit. And people are looking for budget cars. Several European countries like Greece, Portugal, Spain have gone through difficult austerity measures and Eastern European countries have a much lower per capita income anyways. So cheaper EV cars would be attractive for Europeans today. The thing is EV battery safety which BYD is infamous for. Anyone with a family would never drive any Chinese EV. Let us see how the European car makers compete - they must innovate more to bring the prices down else risk losing to cheaper imports. But cheap means safety compromise. And BYD I am sure has cut corners everywhere.
 

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