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This is NOT impressive. Self-driving vehicles are self-driving in name only. Fully autonomous self-driving vehicles are limited. The CCP has bragged about such projects in the past and has failed to deliver.
Thanks for the smart prediction. Maybe the UAE just started with bus lines, then the AI has enough time and mature lines to study, i have been Dubai the traffic was quite standard and disciplined. Maybe your previous prediction was based on the traffic situation in India.
 

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Thanks for the smart prediction. Maybe the UAE just started with bus lines, then the AI has enough time and mature lines to study, i have been Dubai the traffic was quite standard and disciplined. Maybe your previous prediction was based on the traffic situation in India.
Dubai is a propped up city with oil money. They still have not fully sold many of their vanity real estate. I am pretty sure throwing a little bit of money to claim they are in the future is not beyond the sheikhs. Once again, it is impossible to innovate under the CCP.
 

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You do realize that literacy rate is a useless piece of data? It is the gross enrollment ratio in schools and mean number of years in school that is the most vital indicator. India is definitely behind the west in this and needs to improve quite a bit. Mean years of schooling especially for women needs to increase a lot in India.
 

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You do realize that literacy rate is a useless piece of data? It is the gross enrollment ratio in schools and mean number of years in school that is the most vital indicator. India is definitely behind the west in this and needs to improve quite a bit. Mean years of schooling especially for women needs to increase a lot in India.
What are the laws in this area in India



Is it illegal for a father to keep his daughter out of school?
 

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China took advantage of this by forcing extractive JVs apart from indulging in industrial espionage to develop local industry & building up scale to become the factory not just to the west but the world.
"Extractive" joint ventures? What does this even mean? China, and every other Global South country, has the right to extract technology for access to its market. It is how you go up the industrial ladder. It is that simple. The industrial espionage is pretty much BS. You could accuse anyone of "espionage" but if the West is so weak in protecting its IP then the USSR would never had collapsed. It had a far larger spy network. China get most of its knowledge from JV and leveraging its market. Getting the Airbus line in Tianjin, the Tesla Gigafactory in Shanghai, the NVIDIA R&D and Microsoft AI research centers gained China far more knowledge than than a thousand years of "espionage" can ever achieve.

China did not get to be the factory of the world just the West lets it because its wages are many times that of India and other Global South countries. Its industries made many local innovations to improve efficiencies that allowed China to increase its global market share at the same its wages were growing exponentially.


The west has determined that global supply chains will be diversified & they will not just coz the west wills it but there are plenty of willing partners in the global South with the abilities to absorb such technologies & build up scale to replace China albeit not at the same scale as China which is precisely what the west desires too as they don't want to create another Frankenstein like China .
Yes, the world is deglobalizing and it is automating. There will be a lot of smaller manufacturing nations like Vietnam and Mexico and China is already there exporting components ;)

Because in a fractured world, the largest industrial power with the most integrated supply chain will have economy of scale and efficiencies that no other smaller fractured region will have. The largest industrial country by far is China. Countries using Chinese components will have a huge advantage to those who don't.

Again, you just have to look at the solar industry. All of the countries supplying the US use Chinese production machinery and parts. You can't ban everyone.
 

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Not sure how you came up with this number 70? If you meant starting as a democracy gives the country a head start, it doesn't. Political system hardly matters as long as it doesn't suppress people's freedom, the intent to start working on policy changes to create eco system for business activity to thrive gives that start and India started that only in 1991. You may ask why it took 45 years to get started with economic reforms. 200 years of British rule which began with "East India Company" starting business in India and then expanding its business in to providing mercenaries for local Kings (yes you are seeing Wagner group now, but India saw all this from East India company 300 years back) and ultimately establishing its own rule on the whole country left a deep psychological trauma not only on Nehru's psyche but on all Indians. So when he came to power Nehru started viewing any big Corporates with suspicion and created a state owned enterprise model which was largely in-efficient). Now i fail to understand why it took 30 years for China to start doing the right things after CCP came to power. It never suffered from free trade did it? Silk route always gave it good trade and development.
Yes, the 70-years head start by India is because India was never a communist country and China still is. India has the same headstart on China as Taiwan and South Korea have.

Every country with the democracy that India has -- UK, France, US, Germany, etc. -- are far, far, far wealthier than every commie-run state.

West Germany was FAR wealthier than East Germany. South Korea is FAR richer than North Korea. And Taiwan is FAR richer than China. The only difference is those places of the same people, culture and location is communism. There is no doubt about this.

The penalty that Communism imposed on China and is still imposing on China is far greater than whatever arbitrary years India thinks China has started. What allowed China to offset communism to an extent is following the East Asian Model. But Communism still made China only a third as wealthy as the other East Asians.

Again, the difference between China and Taiwan is Communism. The difference between India and Taiwan is the East Asian Model. The difference between India and China is the East Asian Model plus the detrimental effects of Communism on China.

All I'm saying is India cannot use China's past to project India's future. China is communist and East Asian while India is neither. There is no shared factors here to make China a more likely model. Chances are India can follow Nigeria's past 15 years or Germany's past 15 years as likely as China's.
 
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Moderna to Announce $1 Billion in China Investments, Yicai Says
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Luz Ding
2023年7月4日 GMT+8 20:41





Moderna Inc. is set to announce its first investment in China as early as Wednesday, according to a report by local media outlet Yicai citing unidentified sources.
The Cambridge, Massachusetts-based company may reveal multiple projects in China with a total investment size of around $1 billion, the report showed, without providing further details. The drugmaker is also actively seeking communication with Chinese regulators, according to Yicai.
Chief Executive Officer Stéphane Bancel has arrived in Shanghai and will attend the investment signing ceremony, according to the report. Bancel said during a visit in April that the company will speed up investment in Shanghai and is looking to work with Chinese partners to develop new technologies and products, Yicai reported.

Moderna started a biotechnology company in China this May with registered capital of $100 million, and said it is exploring market opportunities to bring the mRNA platform to China, according to Yicai.
 

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in other words which you can understand, even with 73% literacy, india will have more educated people than China. Obviously that 73% will get to 99% over the next two decades, but assuming it doesn’t we still beat you
 

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All the China simps can also shove it. This is proof that they don’t have substance to their narrative and that they can be easily debunked.
 

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