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And is @johnq indian , and the reason you gave for no slavery are all BS , you can have both
Nope. Slave societies are pretty inefficient and cannot produce a big consumer class that needs good paying jobs. If you have slaves then why bother paying anyone a salary?

And China is not commie in the sense of the USSR, the Iron Curtain or North Korea either. Those places need to keep their people from leaving to support their lies that they are living a good life. They also do not trade be because they have little of value. That's because even governments cannot fake wealth.

China floods the world with tourists and overseas students. It buys more of everything than everyone else in the world. Its wealth is not only real but overwhelming. When GM and Mercedes sell more cars in China than their home countries in the West then there is little doubt China is the biggest and wealthiest consumer class in the world.

There are cops who rape and murder and shoot black people in the US just there are cops who steal scooters in China. There are simply bad cops anywhere.

The US inprisons a huge number of black men and black men had never bombed tourists or stabbed to death 30 people at a train station like some Uighurs. The US also keeps the remnants of its original inhabitants in reservations. Are those concentration camps?

The Chinese prison system is called "concentration camps" like the Nazis' because it sounds evil which how the West want to portray China. It has little to do with reality. Reality is China is a country with massive and growing middle class which includes a lot of Uighurs -- among them many of China's entertainment stars like Dilireba and Guli Nazha. The Nazis would never had put a Jew in front of the national audience.
 

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Can you deny that you guys are having slave labour camps :)
Why we need slave labour camps ... Even we provide them as low as USD100/month we would still prevent those factories move to Vietname. But the fact is those low end jobs are leaving from China.

You eat those news from some wesstern media about "slave labour camps" you think they are truth. But when BBC broadcasted the "India's Daughter" and western people think India is a Rape Superpower you guys were angry and don't buy it.

I think this is typial double standard, India is not Rape Superpower, and China dosen't need any slave labour camps.
 

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As India returns to positive growth, it must think why it can’t remove poverty like China has


India must be concerned about loss of economic momentum, and because it isn’t outpacing countries that are nowhere near China in growth & development.

Whichever way one looks at it, Xi Jinping’s announcement that China has abolished absolute poverty is an epochal event. From being one of the poorest societies on earth, and accounting, along with India, for the overwhelming bulk of the world’s absolute poor, China has now reached a level of per capita income that is close to the global average (measured using purchasing power parity, or PPP). And it has raised a claimed 850 million people out of poverty.


As with all Chinese statistics, there is some quibble about the numbers. China uses as its benchmark a basic World Bank-prescribed poverty-level income figure meant for poor countries, whereas it should be using a significantly higher number meant for middle-income countries. But even with that, the poor in the country would be only about one in 20. For India, it would be half the population at that higher level, and about a tenth at the lower level.

What India can claim, more modestly than China, is that it is no longer the country with the largest number of absolutely poor people. That dubious honour now goes to Nigeria, with Congo likely to move into second place. Indeed, were it not for Covid (which has probably increased the number of the absolute poor in India), the country might well have been on the road to removing absolute poverty before the United Nations target year of 2030.


As has been frequently commented, India and China were at comparable levels of development and income 40 years ago. Now China has 2.7 times India’s per capita income (again, using PPP dollars). The multiple is more than twice as large if one uses “nominal” dollars at the market rates of exchange. The gap really opened up some time ago, before India overtook China to become the world’s fastest-growing large economy. It slipped back ahead of the dip in the pandemic year, while China has continued to grow.


By various metrics, China is now 10 to 15 years ahead of India. It reached India’s current per capita income 15 years ago. Similarly, on the Human Development Index (which takes in income, health, and education parameters), it is 15 years ahead of India. And on the more complex United Nations Index for Sustainable Development Goals (with 17 parameters), India is unlikely to get to China’s current index level in another decade.

Such comparisons with China are bound to put India (and every other country) in the shade. But India has been making progress — as testified to by its steadily improving score on the Human Development Index. Besides, as the latest Economic Survey has pointed out by using a Bare Necessities Index (a composite of water supply, electricity, sanitation, housing, etc.), the picture has improved quite noticeably in recent years.

Other metrics either present a less positive picture, or are hard to track because of the absence of data. The 2017-18 personal consumption survey numbers have been withheld on grounds of reliability, but leaked numbers suggest a shocking decline from the level six years earlier. The last detailed poverty headcount numbers go back almost a decade. Reliable employment numbers too were hard to track till the Centre for Monitoring Indian Economy (CMIE) started its regular data flow. The CMIE’s numbers showed a dip in the employment rate even before the pandemic.

What should concern India is not just this emerging picture of a loss of momentum, but also the fact that the country is not outpacing others that are not even remotely like China in their record of growth and development. On the Sustainable Development Goals, for instance, the country’s rank of 112 in 2018 dipped to 117 the following year (though the absolute index itself improved), while neighbours like Bangladesh, Nepal, and Myanmar, plus others further afield like Cambodia have either overtaken India or are pulling further ahead. Surely, India should be doing better than them, just as it has outpaced Nigeria and Congo on the poverty numbers. That is something to think about as the country heaves a sigh of relief over a return to growth after two quarters of economic decline, and looks ahead to celebrating rapid acceleration next year.
When China removed poverty, it was on 0.25 usd ppp criterion. While India did that, it was 1.25 USD ppp. Now it has been increased to 2 USD ppp.


India's ppp value was on the verge of revision which would further reduce India's poverty by 75 % . This was said by world bank.
 

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Why we need slave labour camps ... Even we provide them as low as USD100/month we would still prevent those factories move to Vietname. But the fact is those low end jobs are leaving from China.

You eat those news from some wesstern media about "slave labour camps" you think they are truth. But when BBC broadcasted the "India's Daughter" and western people think India is a Rape Superpower you guys were angry and don't buy it.

I think this is typial double standard, India is not Rape Superpower, and China dosen't need any slave labour camps.
Actually we refute the reports by hard facts,
Rapes/million in India is one of the lowest in the world, even China has far higher numbers.

While you unable to show any evidence to the west's news report.

Btw we can all see how you are demolishing mosques in Xinxang from Google earth or Baidu maps

Provide hard facts or accept reality that China has slave labour camps and it oppress minorities.

I rest my case 🙂
 

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Nope. Slave societies are pretty inefficient and cannot produce a big consumer class that needs good paying jobs. If you have slaves then why bother paying anyone a salary?

And China is not commie in the sense of the USSR, the Iron Curtain or North Korea either. Those places need to keep their people from leaving to support their lies that they are living a good life. They also do not trade be because they have little of value. That's because even governments cannot fake wealth.

China floods the world with tourists and overseas students. It buys more of everything than everyone else in the world. Its wealth is not only real but overwhelming. When GM and Mercedes sell more cars in China than their home countries in the West then there is little doubt China is the biggest and wealthiest consumer class in the world.

There are cops who rape and murder and shoot black people in the US just there are cops who steal scooters in China. There are simply bad cops anywhere.

The US inprisons a huge number of black men and black men had never bombed tourists or stabbed to death 30 people at a train station like some Uighurs. The US also keeps the remnants of its original inhabitants in reservations. Are those concentration camps?

The Chinese prison system is called "concentration camps" like the Nazis' because it sounds evil which how the West want to portray China. It has little to do with reality. Reality is China is a country with massive and growing middle class which includes a lot of Uighurs -- among them many of China's entertainment stars like Dilireba and Guli Nazha. The Nazis would never had put a Jew in front of the national audience.
You are totally wrong. First of all, the poorer 50 percent of China get 10 percent of the yearly income of China, while the richest 10 percent of China, which is Chinese Communist party (CCP) and friends in big cities, keep 70 percent of that income, and that is not even including taxes. Unlike western democracies, the great majority of China is still poor, not middle class, so your argument is completely nonsensical.

Also, it's not hard for CCP to prop up some brainwashed Uyghur celebrities to make a show of equality, while keeping these celebrities also from speaking out against Uyghur atrocities through threat against them and their families. So far any Uyghur celebrity that has spoken out against CCP's Uyghur concentration camps has ended up inside them.
Saying that there are no Uyghur slaves in concentration camps because a few have been propped up by the CCP government is like saying there was no slavery in the US prior to the Civil War because Frederick Douglass was a successful black writer in pre-Civil War America.

Also, Chinese propagandists always bring up the atrocities committed by other countries to distract away from the atrocities being committed by the CCP government right now. The atrocities committed against Native Americans and African Americans by whites do not justify CCP's atrocities against Uyghurs, other minorities, or its own people who are arrested for practicing religion (Falun Gong) or for protesting against CCP's evil rule.

It's also true that China makes profits from slave labor and selling organs from slaves in concentration camps that consist of millions of Uyghurs and other minorities who were imprisoned without any reason, political prisoners and common Chinese people arrested for speaking out against CCP injustice or just practicing religion like Falun Gong members. There is enough evidence in the following threads, and sanctions by other countries regarding these crimes, so everybody outside China knows the truth already, regardless of what brainwashed CCP bots believe:



Punishing millions of Uyghurs for the crimes committed by a few people 2 decades ago is evil. And brainwashed CCP propagandists justifying or looking the other way is similar to how German people in Nazi Germany justified and looked the other way while the Nazis put Jews in concentration camps. Besides, other minorities and common Chinese people are also put into these camps after they are unjustly imprisoned by CCP police.

PS, most of the cars driven in China are owned by companies, not individuals, with most being leased out to drivers in ride sharing services. Just because you drive a car in China doesn't make you rich, rather just another worker in the big cities owned by CCP and friends. You might be a chauffeur who drives rich people around in an expensive company car and still be poor, as are most drivers in China.
 

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India should open itself up to Chinese investment like Vietnam.

War in 1978 between China and Vietnam was many, many times bloodier than 1962. But they allow Chinese investment, Chinese manufacturing plants and Tik Tok!

They are affording the same luxury that Chinese like. Viet TikTok is now nearly identical to Chinese (and Korean and Japanese!)

Vietnam is now growing very very fast. Chinese companies are building so much assembly lines there to export to the US. Taiwanese, Japanese and Korean lines follow because they depend on parts from the Chinese companies.
Ya'll Nibbiara still will not be able to afford a Chinese vehicle and even if i had money still be reculent to after that MG Donkey lawsuit episode. :truestory:
 

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Uyghur officials in Xinjiang, China have been given the death sentence for "unpatriotic" textbooks. It's just the latest in the beyond belief persecution and genocide of Uyghur Muslims by the Chinese Communist Party, one of the key focuses of the Biden China policy and US China relations.
 

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Uyghur officials in Xinjiang, China have been given the death sentence for "unpatriotic" textbooks. It's just the latest in the beyond belief persecution and genocide of Uyghur Muslims by the Chinese Communist Party, one of the key focuses of the Biden China policy and US China relations.
Are you american ???? @johnq , cause if you are then you are highly uninformed about Biden policy , he just want a good deal with china that will bring him a Noble and next election victory , nothing more
 

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Are you american ???? @johnq , cause if you are then you are highly uninformed about Biden policy , he just want a good deal with china that will bring him a Noble and next election victory , nothing more
I already know that Biden is in Chinese Communist Party's pocket. But if the American people can be shown Chinese Communist Party's true colors, hopefully that can make a difference, or at least maintain some political pressure.
 
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I already know that Biden is in Chinese Communist Party's pocket. But if the American people can be shown Chinese Communist Party's true colors, hopefully that can make a difference, or at least maintain some political pressure.
First clean that stereotypical shit named wokes in your country , you think you can counter chinese with bringing truth out , no buddy this is post truth warfare , your University are being compromised for COMMUNIST ideology , your people are being tranformed into cannon fodder , and who are being benefitted by all this , you don't even know true player in this warfare .

Your country is involved in QUAD with india while violating our regional territory .

Best you should do is involve in discussion with wokes and counter their mis information with proper facts , realize your allies and Chinese sissy will fall in line
 

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I already know that Biden is in Chinese Communist Party's pocket. But if the American people can be shown Chinese Communist Party's true colors, hopefully that can make a difference, or at least maintain some political pressure.
It seems Xinjiang issue is nothing but a propaganda war funded by the American far right which is why very few Muslim nations are worried about it.

But US will win this propaganda war easy in the US where people are already prejudiced against Chinese (and Asians in general) anyways so JohnQ should be happy. lol


"Prior to a March 2019 event co-hosted by the US Mission to International Organizations in Geneva, most people the US were largely unaware of the existence of the Xinjiang region in China, let alone of the 13 million Uighur people (one of China’s 55 recognized ethnic minorities).

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The March 2019 event featured Adrian Zenz, a German researcher and a senior fellow in China studies at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, an organization founded in 1993 by the US government to promote anti-communist views.

Zenz is also associated with the conservative defense-policy think-tank the Jamestown Foundation, founded by William Geimer, who was close to the US administration of the late Ronald Reagan.

Zenz and Ethan Gutmann, another researcher at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, continued to repeat their conclusions regarding “genocide” in Xinjiang to the US Congress and in a range of mainstream publications.
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Diplomatic and economic warfare
The US government’s information warfare against China has produced the “fact” that there is genocide in Xinjiang. Once this has been established, it helps develop diplomatic and economic warfare.

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Officials of Xinjiang’s government contested these claims, saying that much of the field labor for cotton in Xinjiang has already been replaced by machines (many of them imported from the US firm John Deere)


A recent book edited by Hua Wang and Hafeezullah Memon, Cotton Science and Processing Technology, confirms this point, as do a range of media reports from before 2019. But facts like these don’t seem to stand a chance in the overwhelming information war. Xinjiang – two and a half times the size of France – is now at the epicenter of a cold war not of its own making."
 

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India should open itself up to Chinese investment like Vietnam.

War in 1978 between China and Vietnam was many, many times bloodier than 1962. But they allow Chinese investment, Chinese manufacturing plants and Tik Tok!

They are affording the same luxury that Chinese like. Viet TikTok is now nearly identical to Chinese (and Korean and Japanese!)

Vietnam is now growing very very fast. Chinese companies are building so much assembly lines there to export to the US. Taiwanese, Japanese and Korean lines follow because they depend on parts from the Chinese companies.
India is already open for Chinese investments but with some precaution.
 

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It seems Xinjiang issue is nothing but a propaganda war funded by the American far right which is why very few Muslim nations are worried about it.

But US will win this propaganda war easy in the US where people are already prejudiced against Chinese (and Asians in general) anyways so JohnQ should be happy. lol


"Prior to a March 2019 event co-hosted by the US Mission to International Organizations in Geneva, most people the US were largely unaware of the existence of the Xinjiang region in China, let alone of the 13 million Uighur people (one of China’s 55 recognized ethnic minorities).

...

The March 2019 event featured Adrian Zenz, a German researcher and a senior fellow in China studies at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, an organization founded in 1993 by the US government to promote anti-communist views.

Zenz is also associated with the conservative defense-policy think-tank the Jamestown Foundation, founded by William Geimer, who was close to the US administration of the late Ronald Reagan.

Zenz and Ethan Gutmann, another researcher at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, continued to repeat their conclusions regarding “genocide” in Xinjiang to the US Congress and in a range of mainstream publications.
...
Diplomatic and economic warfare
The US government’s information warfare against China has produced the “fact” that there is genocide in Xinjiang. Once this has been established, it helps develop diplomatic and economic warfare.

...

Officials of Xinjiang’s government contested these claims, saying that much of the field labor for cotton in Xinjiang has already been replaced by machines (many of them imported from the US firm John Deere)


A recent book edited by Hua Wang and Hafeezullah Memon, Cotton Science and Processing Technology, confirms this point, as do a range of media reports from before 2019. But facts like these don’t seem to stand a chance in the overwhelming information war. Xinjiang – two and a half times the size of France – is now at the epicenter of a cold war not of its own making."
Just a reminder you guys are yet to refute any genocide claim and minority suppression claim by FACTS.
 

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Just a reminder you guys are yet to refute any genocide claim and minority suppression claim by FACTS.
Refuted many times and accepted by muslims just not by the West. Uighur population doubled in last two decades.

In fact, the population is growing so fast that it is putting a strain on the province!

"Xinjiang has the fastest population growth in China. From 2015 to 2017, the annual growth rate was usually above 1.1 per cent. It dropped to 0.613 per cent in 2018, but was still twice the national average of about 0.3 per cent, according to the central and regional government census."

There are many Uighurs in public life, including actors, police and military:


But don't worry about it. It is impossible to disprove a negative and Western propaganda is very powerful!

So we understand if you refuse to see these facts from China as facts.

China really sucks at genocide. lol
 

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China is booming and is consuming more because its average income is rising very fast:

But it means that China is losing many jobs that fueled its growth at the beginning (just like Japan and Korea in the 1980s losing these jobs to China!) It is inevitable because the salary in China is getting too high:



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Many Chineses firms are now offshoring to places all over ASEAN but especially Vietnam.

Those jobs that kickstarted China's growth in manufacturing in the 1980s are now going really heavily into countries open to Chinese investment (both from China and Hong Kong/Macau.)

Vietnam will be the next China, Korea and Japan from the looks of things.
 

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"Prior to a March 2019 event co-hosted by the US Mission to International Organizations in Geneva, most people the US were largely unaware of the existence of the Xinjiang region in China, let alone of the 13 million Uighur people (one of China’s 55 recognized ethnic minorities).
Nope. The truth cannot be hidden no matter what CCP sponsored media propaganda says.
The following article is from 2018:
China’s Detention Camps for Muslims Turn to Forced Labor
Chinese state television showed Muslims attending classes on how to be law-abiding citizens. Evidence is emerging that detainees are also being forced to take jobs in new factories.

KASHGAR, China — Muslim inmates from internment camps in far western China hunched over sewing machines, in row after row. They were among hundreds of thousands who had been detained and spent month after month renouncing their religious convictions. Now the government was showing them on television as models of repentance, earning good pay — and political salvation — as factory workers.
China’s ruling Communist Party has said in a surge of upbeat propaganda that a sprawling network of camps in the Xinjiang region is providing job training and putting detainees on production lines for their own good, offering an escape from poverty, backwardness and the temptations of radical Islam.
But mounting evidence suggests a system of forced labor is emerging from the camps, a development likely to intensify international condemnation of China’s drastic efforts to control and indoctrinate a Muslim ethnic minority population of more than 12 million in Xinjiang.
Accounts from the region, satellite images and previously unreported official documents indicate that growing numbers of detainees are being sent to new factories, built inside or near the camps, where inmates have little choice but to accept jobs and follow orders.

“These people who are detained provide free or low-cost forced labor for these factories,” said Mehmet Volkan Kasikci, a researcher in Turkey who has collected accounts of inmates in the factories by interviewing relatives who have left China. “Stories continue to come to me,” he said.

China has defied an international outcry against the vast internment program in Xinjiang, which holds Muslims and forces them to renounce religious piety and pledge loyalty to the party. The emerging labor program underlines the government’s determination to continue operating the camps despite calls from United Nations human rights officials, the United States and other governments to close them.


A satellite image taken in September shows an internment camp in Xinjiang. The buildings in the upper left corner appear to be of a design commonly used by factories.

A satellite image taken in September shows an internment camp in Xinjiang. The buildings in the upper left corner appear to be of a design commonly used by factories.

The program aims to transform scattered Uighurs, Kazakhs and other ethnic minorities — many of them farmers, shopkeepers and tradespeople — into a disciplined, Chinese-speaking industrial work force, loyal to the Communist Party and factory bosses, according to official plans published online.
These documents describe the camps as vocational training centers and do not specify whether inmates are required to accept assignments to factories or other jobs. But pervasive restrictions on the movement and employment of Muslim minorities in Xinjiang, as well as a government effort to persuade businesses to open factories around the camps, suggest that they have little choice.

Independent accounts from inmates who have worked in the factories are rare. The police block attempts to get near the camps and closely monitor foreign journalists who travel to Xinjiang, making it all but impossible to conduct interviews in the region. And most Uighurs who have fled Xinjiang did so before the factory program grew in recent months.
But Serikzhan Bilash, a founder of Atajurt Kazakh Human Rights, an organization in Kazakhstan that helps ethnic Kazakhs who have left neighboring Xinjiang, said he had interviewed relatives of 10 inmates who had told their families that they were made to work in factories after undergoing indoctrination in the camps.
They mostly made clothes, and they called their employers “black factories,” because of the low wages and tough conditions, he said.
Mr. Kasikci also described several cases based on interviews with family members: Sofiya Tolybaiqyzy, who was sent from a camp to work in a carpet factory. Abil Amantai, 37, who was put in a camp a year ago and told relatives he was working in a textile factory for $95 a month. Nural Razila, 25, who had studied oil drilling but after a year in a camp was sent to a new textile factory nearby.
“It’s not as though they have a choice of whether they get to work in a factory, or what factory they are assigned to,” said Darren Byler, a lecturer at the University of Washington who studies Xinjiang and visited the region in April.


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Uighur men at a tea house in Kashgar, an area in southern Xinjiang that is a focus of the expanding labor program.

Uighur men at a tea house in Kashgar, an area in southern Xinjiang that is a focus of the expanding labor program.
He said it was safe to conclude that hundreds of thousands of detainees could be compelled to work in factories if the program were put in place at all of the region’s internment camps.

The Xinjiang government did not respond to faxed questions about the factories, nor did the State Council Information Office, the central government agency that answers reporters’ questions.
The documents detail plans for inmates, even those formally released from the camps, to take jobs at factories that work closely with the camps to continue to monitor and control them. The socks, suits, skirts and other goods made by these laborers would be sold in Chinese stores and could trickle into overseas markets.
Kashgar, an ancient, predominantly Uighur area of southern Xinjiang that is a focus of the program, reported that in 2018 alone it aimed to send 100,000 inmates who had been through the “vocational training centers” to work in factories, according to a plan issued in August.
That figure may be an ambitious political goal rather than a realistic target. But it suggests how many Uighurs and other Muslim ethnic minorities may be held in the camps and sent to factories. Scholars have estimated that as many as one million people have been detained. The Chinese government has not issued or confirmed any figures.
“I don’t see China yielding an inch on Xinjiang,” said John Kamm, the founder of the Dui Hua Foundation, a San Francisco-based group that lobbies China on human rights issues. “Now it seems we have entrepreneurs coming in and taking advantage of the situation.”
The evolution of the Xinjiang camps echoes China’s “re-education through labor” system, where citizens once were sent without trial to toil for years. China abolished “re-education through labor” five years ago, but Xinjiang appears to be creating a new version.

Retailers in the United States and other countries should guard against buying goods made by workers from the Xinjiang camps, which could violate laws banning imports produced by prison or forced labor, Mr. Kamm said.

While the bulk of clothes and other textile goods manufactured in Xinjiang ends up in domestic and Central Asian markets, some makes its way to the United States and Europe.
Badger Sportswear, a company based in North Carolina, last month received a container of polyester knitted T-shirts from Hetian Taida, a company in Xinjiang that was shown on a prime-time state television broadcast promoting the camps.
The program showed workers at a Hetian Taida plant, including a woman who was described as a former camp inmate. But the small factory did not appear to be on a camp site, and it is unclear whether it made the T-shirts sent to North Carolina.
Ginny Gasswint, a Badger Sportswear executive, said the company had ordered a small amount of products from Xinjiang, and used Worldwide Responsible Accredited Production, a nonprofit certification organization, to ensure that its suppliers meet standards.
Seth Lennon, a spokesman for Worldwide, said that Hetian Taida had only recently enrolled in its program, and the organization had no information on possible coerced labor in Xinjiang. “We will certainly look into this,” he said.
Repeated calls over several days to Wu Hongbo, the chairman of Hetian Taida, went unanswered.
Satellite imagery suggests that production lines are being built inside some internment camps.


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A state television broadcast promoting the internment camps showed textile workers at a company named Hetian Taida. The company shipped T-shirts to North Carolina last month.

A state television broadcast promoting the internment camps showed textile workers at a company named Hetian Taida. The company shipped T-shirts to North Carolina last month.
Images of one camp featured in the state television broadcast, for example, show 10 to 12 large buildings with a single-story, one-room design commonly used for factories, said Nathan Ruser, a researcher at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute. The buildings are surrounded by fencing and security towers, indicating that they are heavily guarded like the rest of the camp.
“It seems unlikely that any detainee would be able to go to any building that they were not taken to,” Mr. Ruser said.
Commercial registration records also show at least a few companies have been established this year at addresses inside internment camps. They include a printing factory, a noodle factory and at least two clothing and textile manufacturers at camps in rural areas around Kashgar. Another clothing and bedding manufacturer is registered in a camp in Aksu in northwestern Xinjiang.
The government’s effort to connect the internment camps with factories emerged this year as the number of detainees climbed and Xinjiang faced rising costs to build and run the camps.
Many camps were once called “transformation through education centers” by the government, reflecting their mission: inducing inmates to cast aside Islamic devotion and accept Communist Party supremacy.
But since August, the Chinese government has defended the camps by arguing that they are job training centers that will help lift detainees and their families out of poverty by giving them the skills to join China’s economic mainstream. Many rural Uighurs speak little Chinese, and language training has been advertised as one of the main purposes of the camps.

Yet the practical training in the camps often appears to be rudimentary, said Adrian Zenz, a social scientist at the European School of Culture and Theology who has studied the campaign.



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The old city of Kashgar, where officials set a goal of sending 100,000 camp inmates to work in factories this year.

The old city of Kashgar, where officials set a goal of sending 100,000 camp inmates to work in factories this year.
An early hint of the factory labor program came in March when Sun Ruizhe, the president of the China National Textile and Apparel Council, described it to senior industry representatives, according to a transcript of his speech that was posted on industry websites.
Mr. Sun said that Xinjiang planned to recruit from three main sources to increase the textile and garment sector’s work force by more than 100,000 in 2018: impoverished households, struggling relatives of prisoners and detainees, and the camp inmates, whose training “could be combined with developing the textile and apparel section.”
In April, the Xinjiang government began rolling out a plan to attract textile and garment companies. Local governments would receive funds to build production sites for them near the camps; companies would receive a subsidy of $260 to train each inmate they took on, as well other incentives.
In remarks in October defending the camps, a top official in Xinjiang, Shohrat Zakir, said the government was busy preparing “job assignments” for inmates formally finishing indoctrination and training. A budget document this year from Yarkant, a county in Kashgar, said the camps were responsible for “employment services.”
The inmates assigned to factories may have to stay for years.
Mr. Byler said a relative of a Uighur friend was sent to an indoctrination camp in March and formally released this fall. But he was then told he had to work for up to three years in a clothing factory.

A government official, Mr. Byler said, suggested to his friend’s family that if the relative worked hard, his time in the factory might be reduced.
The Chinese state media has praised the centers as leading wayward people toward modern civilization. It also reports that the workers are generously paid.
“The training will turn them from ‘nomads’ into skilled marvels,” the official Xinjiang Daily said last month. “Education and training will make them into ‘modern people,’ useful to society.”
Chinese propaganda gives enslavement and forced labor a positive spin. The fact remains that the reason why China is the factory of the world is because Chinese Communist Party (CCP) provides the cheapest rates which cannot be beaten due to slave labor and worker exploitation. And the CCP takes all of the profits from this forced labor. I am also sure that this is not just exclusive to Xinjiang, Tibet or Mongolia either, or that it wasn't happening before. it's just that these are the places that the truth has first leaked out from, but worker exploitation has been happening in China for 3 decades now. Only CCP propaganda bots deny the truth behind that and blindly defend the CCP no matter what: I doubt they are even capable of ever criticizing the CCP, and in that way their minds are slaves of the CCP.
But if they ignore the things being done to others in China now, it's only a matter of time before the CCP comes for everyone else. The CCP already did it with Uyghurs, Tibetans, Mongolians, followers of Falun Gong, political opponents and protesters (i.e arrested them and sent them to forced labor camps, as well as took out their organs: See links to pertinent threads in my post above.)
It's only a matter of time before everyone else is next. But I don't expect CCP bots brainwashed by CCP media propaganda to wake up anytime soon. It's enough for me that those in the west, India and other countries are starting to see the truth.

P.S. The New York Times is a left-wing, liberal newspaper, so even the left-wing media agrees that forced labor is taking place in Xinjiang and other places in China.
 
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Nope. The truth cannot be hidden no matter what CCP sponsored media propaganda says.
The following article is from 2018:


Chinese propaganda gives enslavement and forced labor a positive spin. The fact remains that the reason why China is the factory of the world is because Chinese Communist Party (CCP) provides the cheapest rates which cannot be beaten due to slave labor and worker exploitation. And the CCP takes all of the profits from this forced labor. I am also sure that this is not just exclusive to Xinjiang, Tibet or Mongolia either, or that it wasn't happening before. it's just that these are the places that the truth has first leaked out from, but worker exploitation has been happening in China for 3 decades now. Only CCP propaganda bots deny the truth behind that and blindly defend the CCP no matter what: I doubt they are even capable of ever criticizing the CCP, and in that way their minds are slaves of the CCP.
But if they ignore the things being done to others in China now, it's only a matter of time before the CCP comes for everyone else. The CCP already did it with Uyghurs, Tibetans, Mongolians, followers of Falun Gong, political opponents and protesters (i.e arrested them and sent them to forced labor camps, as well as took out their organs: See links to pertinent threads in my post above.)
It's only a matter of time before everyone else is next. But I don't expect CCP bots brainwashed by CCP media propaganda to wake up anytime soon. It's enough for me that those in the west, India and other countries are starting to see the truth.

P.S. The New York Times is a left-wing, liberal newspaper, so even the left-wing media agrees that forced labor is taking place in Xinjiang and other places in China.
A day later, 37 other countries jumped to Beijing’s defense, with their own letter praising China’s human rights record, and dismissing the reported detention of up to two million Muslims in western China’s Xinjiang region. Nearly half of the signatories were Muslim-majority nations, including Pakistan, Qatar, Syria, the United Arab Emirates, and Saudi Arabia, according to the Chinese government.


“Faced with the grave challenge of terrorism and extremism, China has undertaken a series of counter-terrorism and deradicalization measures in Xinjiang, including setting up vocational education and training centers,” the letter said, according to Reuters, which saw a copy of the letter. The letter went on to say that there had been no terrorist attacks in the past three years in the region, and that the people there were happy, fulfilled and secure.

 

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LOL, those are dictatorships like Syria or nations with a facade of democracy like Pakistan who have their own human rights violations issues. Of course they will shield Chinese Communist Party because they are also guilty of crimes, just like the Chinese Communist Party. It's like Chinese Communist Party bringing in murderers and criminals to support its case. By the way that article is from 2019, but the cat is already out of the bag. The world over knows about Chinese Communist Party's cultural genocides and forced labor camps in Tibet, Xinjiang, Mongolia and other areas.
 

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