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What if that person is your relative ? Will your Chinese friend still support his murder because ccp is good for economics and everything is not so simple?
After WWII, both China and India needed social reform from the acient social structure. CCP chose the most bloody way, India chose the gentle way.

But China made the transformation 100%, this is ready for fast industrilization; the econimic development proved this.

India from my pov failed in this transformation or incompleted, that's why within recent 30 yrs, India became 1.2:1 to 1:5.5 messured by GDP.

On the other hand, CCP and Mao's group did killed 10 millions of people during at the beginning, but how many Indian died by hunger, malnutrition, inliteray, lack of infrasctures... I think it's times more.
It's just make people don't blame the certain person, but all Indian took the consequence and still suffering.

I always thought if the Bose were in power, India would be much better, or Modi should be born in 1910.
 

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After WWII, both China and India needed social reform from the acient social structure. CCP chose the most bloody way, India chose the gentle way.

But China made the transformation 100%, this is ready for fast industrilization; the econimic development proved this.

India from my pov failed in this transformation or incompleted, that's why within recent 30 yrs, India became 1.2:1 to 1:5.5 messured by GDP.

On the other hand, CCP and Mao's group did killed 10 millions of people during at the beginning, but how many Indian died by hunger, malnutrition, inliteray, lack of infrasctures... I think it's times more.
It's just make people don't blame the certain person, but all Indian took the consequence and still suffering.

I always thought if the Bose were in power, India would be much better, or Modi should be born in 1910.
Lets be honest here. India's condition was never as bad as China - we never developed a taste for rats, bats, snakes, bugs, etc (desperate survival food). Today due to its mercantile policy China is marginally better (I don't trust the shanghai stats at all) but I think the rest of the world is probably primed now for a reset with its relation vis a vis China.
 

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Lets be honest here. India's condition was never as bad as China
In the 2019 Global Hunger Index, India ranks 102nd out of 117 qualifying countries. With a score of 30.3, India suffers from a level of hunger that is serious [See overview of GHI calculation].

https://www.globalhungerindex.org/india.html

I don't trust the shanghai stats at all)
I know :

India ranks 130 in UN's human development index

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...an-development-index/articleshow/65812719.cms
 

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In the 2019 Global Hunger Index, India ranks 102nd out of 117 qualifying countries. With a score of 30.3, India suffers from a level of hunger that is serious [See overview of GHI calculation].

https://www.globalhungerindex.org/india.html


I know :

India ranks 130 in UN's human development index

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...an-development-index/articleshow/65812719.cms
I don't know how they measure that. India is among the largest exporters of food products. There has not been a single case of famine or mass hunger in India for at least a century. If you have evidence of the same then provide it. India is unique in the world with one of the highest number of vegetarians. This is why traditional measures of hunger don't work for India.
 

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In the 2019 Global Hunger Index, India ranks 102nd out of 117 qualifying countries. With a score of 30.3, India suffers from a level of hunger that is serious [See overview of GHI calculation].

https://www.globalhungerindex.org/india.html


I know :

India ranks 130 in UN's human development index

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...an-development-index/articleshow/65812719.cms
So now eating bats and rats and gutter oil is combating hunger in China no wonder they have no hunger expect hunger for epidemics from time to time.
Hmm so Iran and Peru have better HDI than the Supa Pawa ?
 

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After WWII, both China and India needed social reform from the acient social structure. CCP chose the most bloody way, India chose the gentle way.

But China made the transformation 100%, this is ready for fast industrilization; the econimic development proved this.

India from my pov failed in this transformation or incompleted, that's why within recent 30 yrs, India became 1.2:1 to 1:5.5 messured by GDP.

On the other hand, CCP and Mao's group did killed 10 millions of people during at the beginning, but how many Indian died by hunger, malnutrition, inliteray, lack of infrasctures... I think it's times more.
It's just make people don't blame the certain person, but all Indian took the consequence and still suffering.

I always thought if the Bose were in power, India would be much better, or Modi should be born in 1910.
No india bas been self sufficient in food since green revolution in 70s. Even before china. And India exports far more food then china.

Ccp way is not any more effective than indian way despite all the murders. China just started reform earlier because Nixon gave it a chance against Soviets. India reformed 13 years later. And India is growing just as fast since then. Today indian economy in nominal terms is where china was in 2007. Exactly 13 years. Difference.
And on ppp India is much ahead of where china was. So infact since 1991 India on real terms may be growing much faster than china. Lol.

Even if there was no ccp china would have grown the same if opened it's market to USA at 1978. Look at Taiwan . It was just as poor and now it's 3-4 times richer than china Because it opened up even earlier and infact it was Taiwan and Japan which brought massive manufacturing to china from USA as intermediates.

So may be a few hundred or thousands Indian died due to misgovernance against millions of Chinese deliberately killed. And since reforms India growth in real terms is faster than china. Even after accounting fake data which lot of Chinese provinve have recently admitted.
 

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That's the most fair comment i have seem.

CCP has around 80 millions memebers in China, it's almost represented the majority of Chinese educated and "elite" people. If it's pure evil, the organization should already messed up things for decades...

CCP is no more a communism party they don't act like that, it's just a ruling group, the ruling group using the social development for exchaging people's human right and lots of freedom, so far it seems most Chinese are OK with it.
I actually agree . All the Chinese ccp killed or jailed deserve that . Chinese don't deserve to speak or to be have any right. They are mere slaves and ccp is right in treating them so. Infact I also traet Chinese the same. I think ccp should kill some few million more Chinese to prosper faster Don't you agree .
 

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I actually agree . All the Chinese ccp killed or jailed deserve that . Chinese don't deserve to speak or to be have any right. They are mere slaves and ccp is right in treating them so. Infact I also traet Chinese the same. I think ccp should kill some few million more Chinese to prosper faster Don't you agree .
If that's your understanding for what i said, i only feel sorry for you IQ.
 

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If that's your understanding for what i said, i only feel sorry for you IQ.
Hehe you are justifying ccp killing million of chinese for effective growth. But India has been growing at same rate or faster without murdering anyone. Only difference is of starting time.

Same way ccp justified brutal one child policy but all countries birth rate came down anyway with better education . Another brainwashing.

China would have grown just as much without ccp . You are an idiot to support it.

I don't feel sorry for ccp supporters. They deserve the deaths. If you feed a poisonous snake it will bite you. Lol.

Now go to ignore list you ccp troll.
 

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I don't know how they measure that. India is among the largest exporters of food products. There has not been a single case of famine or mass hunger in India for at least a century. If you have evidence of the same then provide it. India is unique in the world with one of the highest number of vegetarians. This is why traditional measures of hunger don't work for India.
Sorry mate, i don't buy it.

China comsumed world's most (50% share) vegetable by average, times than India.
https://top5ofanything.com/list/0fe4983f/Countries-that-Produce-the-Most-Vegetables

It supports industrilization of a country, and massive collabration within a sociaty.

Plus every nation is unique, but Hunger Index means people are hungry, if it looks bad, means your people are suffering famine everyday.

Other wise, you can't explain the following data:
infant and under-five mortality rates



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_and_under-five_mortality_rates



India as of 135 fo
Countries ranked by life expectancy
https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/


Or you would say they all measure the wrong way as Indian are vegetarian and unique.
 
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All dormant 50 cent accounts with American flags have become activated. China truly has lifted the curfew, all soldiers of 50 cent army are back to work.
yup...I did spotted this yesterday with a handle registered in nov 2018 but never posted .. and regular logins just to study thesis on a Indian Defence forum ..

Offcourse flag is US
 

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Sorry mate, i don't buy it.

China comsumed world's most (50% share) vegetable by average, times than India.
https://top5ofanything.com/list/0fe4983f/Countries-that-Produce-the-Most-Vegetables

It supports industrilization of a country, and massive collabration within a sociaty.

Plus every nation is unique, but Hunger Index means people are hungry, if it looks bad, means your people are suffering famine everyday.

Other wise, you can't explain the following data:
infant and under-five mortality rates



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_and_under-five_mortality_rates



India as of 135 fo
Countries ranked by life expectancy
https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/


Or you would say they all measure the wrong way as Indian are vegetarian and unique.
Figure out how hunger index is calculated then post about it. Also while doing that tell us how many people died of hunger in India vs China in the last 100 years.
 

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Sorry mate, i don't buy it.

China comsumed world's most (50% share) vegetable by average, times than India.
https://top5ofanything.com/list/0fe4983f/Countries-that-Produce-the-Most-Vegetables

It supports industrilization of a country, and massive collabration within a sociaty.

Plus every nation is unique, but Hunger Index means people are hungry, if it looks bad, means your people are suffering famine everyday.

Other wise, you can't explain the following data:
infant and under-five mortality rates



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_and_under-five_mortality_rates



India as of 135 fo
Countries ranked by life expectancy
https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/


Or you would say they all measure the wrong way as Indian are vegetarian and unique.
Another exercise for you. China in your link is shown as producing 508 m/t of vegetables. Do you know how much that translates into per person per day? Calculate it and tell us. Do you see any problem with that? If not why not. Why is every other country producing way way way less than China? Are they stupid?
 

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This Australian guy really hits the nail on the head.

The world is slowly coming to realize that even well established 100% private owned Chinese companies operate like a quasi government cartel; almost like the big criminal billion dollar Narco/drug Cartels operating from Mexico.

What I mean by this, is that the Chinese Central government can force these companies to switch direction anytime and start doing anything it feels is necessary. If that means asking a Chinese real estate company in Australia to sweep up all the masks and gloves in all of Australia - then they just follow orders like soldiers, and do it.

What this means is that every mainland Chinese company that operates anywhere in the world outside of China whether they are in construction, telecom, electronics, cars, finance/banking or real-estate acts like an arm of the Chinese CCP government, like a Trojan Horse.

So all democratic countries with open economies need to think very carefully about Chinese investment and Chinese ownership of assets in their respective countries.
 
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Figure out how hunger index is calculated then post about it. Also while doing that tell us how many people died of hunger in India vs China in the last 100 years.
I don't know whether you also count malnutrition for current time.

India is home to 46.6 million stunted children, a third of world’s total as per Global Nutrition Report 2018. Nearly half of all under-5 child mortality in India is attributable to undernutrition.

https://www.intechopen.com/online-first/childhood-malnutrition-in-india


more than one third of the world's malnourished children live in India
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malnutrition_in_India



Another exercise for you. China in your link is shown as producing 508 m/t of vegetables. Do you know how much that translates into per person per day? Calculate it and tell us. Do you see any problem with that? If not why not. Why is every other country producing way way way less than China? Are they stupid?

Yeah, the whole world are wrong, you are right!

“China is not only the most populated country in the world but when it comes to production of fresh vegetables and fruit China is the worlds number 1! Of the estimated (commercial) production of fresh vegetables in the world, China produces half. ”

https://www.statista.com/statistics/264662/top-producers-of-fresh-vegetables-worldwide/

http://www.fruitnet.com/eurofruit/article/176652/china-tops-global-production-league

https://www.freshplaza.com/article/...r-39-of-the-world-s-fruit-and-veg-production/
 

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I don't know whether you also count malnutrition for current time.

India is home to 46.6 million stunted children, a third of world’s total as per Global Nutrition Report 2018. Nearly half of all under-5 child mortality in India is attributable to undernutrition.
Bozo that is because world cannot calculate the nutritional value of an all vegetarian diet. There are no under-nourished children in India. A diet based on meat bulks up an individual very fast. That is why meat products are used in animal husbandry industry to bulk up animals for the market. Vegetarian diets individuals bulk up very slowly. That is the fact and due to this children in India appear under-nourished when using western models of nourishment.

Also, how many people died of hunger in India vs China in the last 100 years?
 

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Yeah, the whole world are wrong, you are right!

“China is not only the most populated country in the world but when it comes to production of fresh vegetables and fruit China is the worlds number 1! Of the estimated (commercial) production of fresh vegetables in the world, China produces half. ”
You still did not provide the calculation. You are the owner of a software company with branches in Bengaluru and proxies in US. Don't you know how to use a calculator?
 

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"Hunger" itself in context of India is strictly about being underweight. And that's not because of shortage of food but low protein diets. India has by far world's largest vegetarian population and for protein, they depend upon pulses and milk only.
India's GDP doubled absolute poverty rate has fallen to just 1/8th in 10 years against 2011 levels. Choice most time and not unavailability is the reason of undernourishment.
 

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