China delivers warship to Pakistan: navy

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Yes, hence more glaring India's negligence of its Sub arm.
not really we have more anti-submarine options, also subs are costly to maintain and take time to build and if not done correctly they will lose their stealth ability.
 

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Based on what fits them best, PN chose to buy Chinese frigate. Good business for HuDong, they are also selling similar products to Thailand.

Also, anyone insane enough to "maintain" bad relations?

Pakistan bought US F-16's, would you say US is fueling arms race? Moreover, India bought US stuff too, what about that then?

US's China strategy is a mix of both engagement & containment. While fast moving away from engagement (trade, communication), India will soon be the spearhead of the containment part, what would that mean for Indian well-being? With trade deficit, large debt, low GDP and world's biggest poverty population, how come India becomes biggest buyers of US arsenal?
India biggest buyer of US arsenal? When did that happen? So far our trade deals with the US have helped us.
 
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Based on what fits them best, PN chose to buy Chinese frigate. Good business for HuDong, they are also selling similar products to Thailand.

Also, anyone insane enough to "maintain" bad relations?

Pakistan bought US F-16's, would you say US is fueling arms race? Moreover, India bought US stuff too, what about that then?

US's China strategy is a mix of both engagement & containment. While fast moving away from engagement (trade, communication), India will soon be the spearhead of the containment part, what would that mean for Indian well-being? With trade deficit, large debt, low GDP and world's biggest poverty population, how come India becomes biggest buyers of US arsenal?

I would not make the same analogy of Chinese arming the pakistanis the same as the Americans, the Chinese have done it with hegemonic intentions,
If China is happy to arm Pakistan, then why Shouldn't India be happy to buy from USA? There are many weapon systems that USA has that Russia dosen't have, India will still buy from Russians but Indian govt has adopted a very PRO US policy, that has worked in their favor, if China is trying to contain India and using proxy states to do it do you think India will sit back and do nothing?? India's economy is strong enough to support weapon purchases.
 

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I would not make the same analogy of Chinese arming the pakistanis the same as the Americans, the Chinese have done it with hegemonic intentions,
If China is happy to arm Pakistan, then why Shouldn't India be happy to buy from USA? There are many weapon systems that USA has that Russia dosen't have, India will still buy from Russians but Indian govt has adopted a very PRO US policy, that has worked in their favor, if China is trying to contain India and using proxy states to do it do you think India will sit back and do nothing?? India's economy is strong enough to support weapon purchases.
About hegemonic "intentions". What a word. How about "status-quo intentions" of the only hegemony now?

Let me re-write as "If US is happy to arm India, then why shouldn't Pakistan be happy to buy from China?"

At least you use the "if" word about China's containment plan on India. What "if not"? Then India is wasting its limited resources on useless & expensive arms?

The biggest buyers of US arsenal used to be Saudi Arabia, Japan, Israel, SK, Taiwan, Australia, all in a different league of economy & HDI. By now, India's economy is not even strong enough to provide adequate electrical power, schools & roads for their people. It is pure greed of arms dealers, banksters, that runs India into poverty & war.

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India does not have the tech to make an AEGIS system. So far, I think the only countries in Asia who have done so is Japan and SK.
Aegis has the ability to engage anything from surface targets to objects in space. The SPY-I radar is awesome. If you give it missiles with the capability to do the mission the mission gets done. The US navy has used the Aegis in tests to hit ballsitic and super sonic sea skimmers at the same time.
 

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I still do not understand the difference in price.A Shivalik (even with the obvious difference in weight class etc) costs 650 million when made in India, but a Chinese built F22 p costs only 175 million?
Just like their JF-17 "Thunder", which is supposed to "counter" the MKI sells for less than $8 million a pop vs at least $30 million for any version of the F-16. Hell, even the LCA Tejas costs more than thrice that amount.

Makes you wonder if they use cardboard, plastic and glue to make their aircraft instead of metals and bolts. :rofl:
 

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By now, India's economy is not even strong enough to provide adequate electrical power, schools & roads for their people. It is pure greed of arms dealers, banksters, that runs India into poverty & war.
Wow. What astounding arrogance. Just a few decades ago, in the 1970s, India's GDP per capita was higher than China's. According to your logic, China shouldn't have invested in its military either, because it had legions of starving people living in filthy conditions, not to mention that China also had to deal with the aftermath of the Cultural "Revolution" and the "Great Leap Forward". :rolleyes:

Keep your sermons to yourself, India knows how to defend herself, and Indians will do all that is needful to ensure adequate defence. We don't need "advice" from brainwashed Chinese who think that only their civilization is supreme and is destined to rule the world.

And then you wonder why Indians have a problem with China's attitude. :rolleyes:
 

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Aegis has the ability to engage anything from surface targets to objects in space. The SPY-I radar is awesome. If you give it missiles with the capability to do the mission the mission gets done. The US navy has used the Aegis in tests to hit ballsitic and super sonic sea skimmers at the same time.
Didn't the USN also use an AEGIS to destroy an old satellite after China conducted its ASAT test?
 

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It is pure greed of arms dealers, banksters, that runs India into poverty & war.
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Based on simple allocation of defense funds from the GDP is making the neighbors edgy over the acquistion of defense goods. The edgy is based on advance technological acquirements then merely increasing the size, and that is main reason for such large useless rederick.

Mr. Shotgunner is not greed that is driving it, it is the advancement that India's been searching for. You can clearly see that it will finally bring peace and prosperity!!!

Thanks!
 
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About hegemonic "intentions". What a word. How about "status-quo intentions" of the only hegemony now?

Let me re-write as "If US is happy to arm India, then why shouldn't Pakistan be happy to buy from China?"

At least you use the "if" word about China's containment plan on India. What "if not"? Then India is wasting its limited resources on useless & expensive arms?

The biggest buyers of US arsenal used to be Saudi Arabia, Japan, Israel, SK, Taiwan, Australia, all in a different league of economy & HDI. By now, India's economy is not even strong enough to provide adequate electrical power, schools & roads for their people. It is pure greed of arms dealers, banksters, that runs India into poverty & war.

Peace & prosperity

China started this we are just playing catch up, india just spends 3% of GDP so not much resources are utilized towards defense which may possibly increase in the future.
 

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China started this we are just playing catch up, india just spends 3% of GDP so not much resources are utilized towards defense which may possibly increase in the future.

Defense spending in GDP is 2% not 3% mate...

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Defense spending in GDP is 2% not 3% mate...

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and even those 2% we end up spending less then half the money - including corrupt deals rest is all given back to goverment - so infact our spending is way too less. need to get it a notch up!:d_training:
 

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pls members can anyone how much are pak & china spending from their GDP?
 

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Pakistan is spending about 3% of GDP for defence (2007 estimate)

China is spending about 1.7% (2009 estimate)

India is spending about 2.5% (2006 estimate)

Since Pakistan is in doldrums currently and those figures are from 2007, we can safely assume that their expenditure has gone down...

Also, due to the current jump in our expenditure I think ours would have gone up significantly from 2.5% of 2006

Source - List of countries by military expenditures - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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Yes... Apparently... If you notice that entire Arab region, you'll see that the Arabs are excessively spending for defence... as high as 12% in some cases...'

One potential flashpoint in the near future... they might all gang up against Israel...
 

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They did gang up in the past and lost.
 

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Yes... Apparently... If you notice that entire Arab region, you'll see that the Arabs are excessively spending for defence... as high as 12% in some cases...'

One potential flashpoint in the near future... they might all gang up against Israel...
Saudis and Emiratis are buying to protect themselves from Israel. Saudi also has issues with neighbouring tribals.

Turkey though not being an Arab state maintains a strong military because of Greece, CAR conflicts (Azerbejain-Armenia) and the leader of Turkic people.

Egypt, and Algeria both face violent Isalmist groups and also have to take care of the Israeli angle.
 

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Wow. What astounding arrogance. Just a few decades ago, in the 1970s, India's GDP per capita was higher than China's. According to your logic, China shouldn't have invested in its military either, because it had legions of starving people living in filthy conditions, not to mention that China also had to deal with the aftermath of the Cultural "Revolution" and the "Great Leap Forward". :rolleyes:

Keep your sermons to yourself, India knows how to defend herself, and Indians will do all that is needful to ensure adequate defence. We don't need "advice" from brainwashed Chinese who think that only their civilization is supreme and is destined to rule the world.

And then you wonder why Indians have a problem with China's attitude. :rolleyes:
Wooooooo cool man, what's to do with arrogance on describing objectively on current situations?

And yeah, China did not buy any expensive US arms during the 1970's or did they? Oh, the BA & Lockheed corpies should have tried harder for their bonus private jets & yachts. While not buying anything American, then should not do any arms purchase, are you serious?

As long as it's not abusive, I have right to view my opinion here in this forum, don't I? So you can eat you own "Keep your sermons to yourself" BS and continue to self-brainwash in your host country Canada
 

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