China and Japan dispute over Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands

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How Hard Will The China-Japan Islands Dispute Hit The Chinese Economy? -

WILL CHINA-JAPAN ISLANDS DISPUTE HIT THE CHINESE ECONOMY?

 

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How Hard Will The China-Japan Islands Dispute Hit The Chinese Economy? -

WILL CHINA-JAPAN ISLANDS DISPUTE HIT THE CHINESE ECONOMY?

See it in multi-dimensions >>>>> Promoting China-Japan-S. Korea FTA negotiations is "natural": official - Xinhua | English.news.cn

China, Japan and South Korea have agreed to start negotiations in early 2013 on a trilateral free trade agreement. It came after the leaders from the three countries showed a willingness to separate economic issues from their territorial disputes.

Think about the size of C+J+K economies!

The total gross domestic product (GDP) of the three countries in 2011 amounted to 14 trillion U.S. dollars, which accounted for 20 percent of the world's GDP.

 

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Chinese airplane enters Japanese airspace over Senkakus for 1st time | Kyodo News

A Chinese government airplane entered Japanese airspace over the disputed Senkaku Islands in the East China Sea on Thursday in the first such airspace intrusion in Japan, prompting an immediate protest from the Japanese government.

The Air Self-Defense Force scrambled F-15 fighter jets to the area after one of China's State Oceanic Administration airplanes was spotted at 11:06 a.m. about 15 kilometers south of Uotsuri Island, one of the Japanese-administered Senkakus claimed by China, Chief Cabinet Secretary Osamu Fujimura told reporters.

It is the first-ever intrusion by China into Japanese airspace since Tokyo started tallying the number of such intrusions in 1958, according to the Defense Ministry.

Four Chinese maritime surveillance vessels entered Japanese waters around the disputed islands in Okinawa Prefecture in the morning, marking the third straight day Chinese government ships have entered the waters, the Japan Coast Guard said.

Tokyo immediately filed a protest with Beijing after the airspace intrusion, Fujimura said, adding that it is "extremely deplorable" that the incident occurred on top of the intrusion by the Chinese ships, which lasted about six hours.

"We are determined to deal firmly with action that violates our country's sovereignty in accordance with domestic laws and regulations," the top government spokesman added.

Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda instructed relevant government offices to take further caution in warning and surveillance activities, he said.

In a stump speech in Sagamihara, Kanagawa Prefecture, Noda said, "I pledge to protect the nation and its people by practicing a thorough crisis management to protect our territorial land, sea, sovereignty and national interests."

The State Oceanic Administration of China, for its part, said its aircraft conducted a patrol mission with the four ships after reaching Chinese airspace over the disputed islands, which China calls Diaoyu.

Earlier in the morning, a coast guard patrol vessel that spotted the Chinese airplane radioed the aircraft, saying that it must leave Japanese airspace, but the plane replied that it was in Chinese airspace, according to the coast guard.

 

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The comparison of Air Force Strength above Diaoyu Island

380 KM vs 420 KM
Japan's SW SDAC only has16 F15Js and a number of E2-Cs (less than 6)

KJ 2000 vs E2-C

Y8 ICW with E2-C

H6 vs 0

JH7 vs F15J somehow?

JH7 in four-jet formation

J11 vs F15J

More to come

 

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J11s

Su-30 MKK vs F15J

Su 30 MKK

J10As vs F15J

J10s vs F15 J

 

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SDAC E2C

SDAC F-15 J

 

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Are the Matsu Islands to be found on that map?

Matsu Islands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

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Are the Matsu Islands to be found on that map?

Matsu Islands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

too tiny to show in such a scale, somewhere around xiamen, you won't see it.

 

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China submits oceanic claims to United Nations

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BEIJING (AP) -- China provided the United Nations with detailed claims to waters in the East China Sea on Friday, apparently padding out its legal argument in an ongoing territorial dispute with Japan.

The Foreign Ministry said it submitted documents claiming waters extending beyond its 200-nautical-mile (370-kilometer) exclusive economic zone. It said geological features dictated that China's claim extended to the edge of the continental shelf off the Chinese coast, about 200 kilometers (124 miles) from Japan's Okinawa island.

A statement posted to the Foreign Ministry's website gave no specifics, but China had pledged to make such a submission shortly after its dispute with Japan over uninhabited islands in the East China Sea flared again in September. Japan angered China by buying the islands from their private Japanese owners to block a rival bid by Tokyo's nationalist mayor, a move Japan had hoped would prevent a bigger crisis.

Violent anti-Japanese protests then broke out across China to assert what many Chinese believe is their country's ages-old claim on the rocky outcrops, known as Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China. Taiwan also claims them.

China's move is a way for it to underscore its claim, but will have little real impact. The U.N. commission to which it submitted its claim, which comprises geological experts, evaluates the markers on technical grounds but has no authority to resolve overlapping claims.

The U.N. submission represents one aspect of China's approach to the dispute. Another involves dispatching vessels to patrol in the area and confront Japanese Coast Guard ships.

On Thursday, China for the first time dispatched a plane over the islands, prompting Tokyo to accuse it of violating Japanese air space. Japan's Defense Agency said four Japanese F-15 jets headed to the area in response, but the nonmilitary Chinese plane was nowhere to be seen by the time they got there. The Foreign Ministry said a formal protest was sent to the Chinese government through its embassy in Japan.

The islands lie in a strategic location between Japan and Taiwan, and the surrounding waters hold rich fish stocks and a potential wealth of oil, gas and other minerals.

The area China claims overlaps with Japan's exclusive economic zone and includes undersea natural gas deposits that China at one time had pledged to tap jointly with Japan. Such joint measures have since been shelved by Beijing.

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China ratchets up aggression - The Times of India

China ratchets up aggression

Unlike in democracies, where politicians vying for office first introduce themselves to their constituents, China's leaders take a rather different approach. Only after the Chinese Communist Party has chosen its top leader in secret does he begin the process of "introducing" himself to the people. The newly enthroned general secretary Xi Jinping has been busy firing corrupt officials, visiting factories and military leaders, boarding a battleship to dine with sailors. And in the process he has been defining his mission, which he calls "the great revival of the Chinese nation". To the world outside the goal of national revival looks more like an irredentist mission that challenges the resolve of its neighbours.

In a way, Xi is following the time-tested path of achieving economic success at home and seeking legitimacy by riding on nationalism - but with ever greater vigour. Close on the heels of his rise to the top, an exhibition pointedly named "The Road toward Renewal" has opened in Beijing. It is a goal, Xi said, that would be achieved on the strength of "a prosperous country and a strong military". Xi, the son of a Chinese military veteran and now the chairman of China's Central Military Commission, has amply signalled the important role he reserves for the PLA. One of his first acts as the civilian boss of the military was to promote commander in chief of the PLA, Wei Fenghe, to full general. He visited with commanders of the Guangzhou military regiment that oversees the South China Sea and inspected a destroyer patrolling the contested waters. Xi has asked the PLA to use "battle-ready standards in undertaking combat preparations", and prepare to win "regional wars".

China's creeping assertiveness towards its neighbours, evident since 2008-09, has become even bolder. Within weeks of his ascendancy, for the first time, four Chinese warships entered waters near the Japanese-controlled Senkaku islands that China calls Diaoyu. This was followed by a Chinese maritime surveillance aircraft flying over the contested islands, prompting Japan to scramble its own fighter jets. A confrontation was avoided as the Chinese plane had left the area before Japanese interceptors arrived. But the message was clear: China was ready to use force to change the status quo. Although the island has been under Japanese control for five decades, China's attempt to change the reality on the ground is perhaps based on calculation that a weakened and dispirited Japan would seek to avoid direct confrontation. China's aggressive moves also coincided with its submission of documents to the UN, detailing its claims to the continental shelf in the East China Sea.

This escalation comes in the wake of other incidents in the South China Sea, in which Chinese patrol boats had repeatedly intercepted Vietnamese and Malaysian survey vessels and cut seismic cables used for exploration. China's Hainan province has passed a law allowing its officials to search and repel foreign ships believed to be engaged in "illegal activities" in the territorial waters surrounding islands that China claims. Like the surveillance flight over Senkakus, this operation too, is designed to make good China's claim to the islets, rocks and surrounding waters claimed by Beijing.

By launching its first aircraft carrier and expanding its maritime patrol Beijing has put some teeth behind its territorial claims. These military moves have also been accompanied by stepped up economic pressure on the neighbours. After banning exports of rare earth minerals (on which China holds a monopoly) to Japan, China has sharply cut back imports from Japan and scaled down Chinese tourist visits to the country, causing Japan to run a trade deficit for the fifth month in a row. Earlier, China cancelled banana imports from the Philippines in retaliation for its challenge to China's territorial claims. Alarmed Vietnamese officials have called on China to desist from using trade tools in settling a territorial dispute. As Vietnam's largest trade partner, China holds considerable sway.

China under Xi Jinping may not be spoiling for a fight with its neighbours. But it is clearly trying to probe their willingness, especially of Japan and its US ally, to stand up to increasingly aggressive actions. Now that Shinzo Abe, the tough-talking leader of Japan's Liberal Democratic Party has won the prime ministership in a landslide, China's assessments about its neighbours' stomach for a fight might soon be put to the test.

 

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U.S. Nervous About Japan's New Prime Minister

The Obama administration will soon be dealing with new leadership in Japan. Over the weekend, Japanese voters returned a former prime minister to the country's top job. Shinzo Abe took an assertive stand on several issues during the election, sparking concern in the U.S. his win could stir up tension in the region.

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And there is new leadership in another Asian nation. Over the weekend, Japanese voters returned a former prime minister to the country's top job. Shinzo Abe took an assertive stand on several big issues during the election. And as NPR's Jackie Northam reports, this sparked concern in the United States that his win could stir up tensions in the region.

JACKIE NORTHAM, BYLINE: There was a strong current of nationalism running through Shinzo Abe's campaign. He took a hawkish position on territorial issues and a less-apologetic approach to Japan's recent history. That may have helped the 58-year-old Abe capture the prime minister's seat, but it also created a nervousness among some allies, including the U.S., says Sheila Smith, a Japan specialist at the Council on Foreign Relations.

SHEILA SMITH: I think there's a certain amount of ambiguity about how he wants to proceed, especially on security and foreign policy issues.

NORTHAM: Smith says there are several causes for concern in Washington, among them, how Abe will handle bitter territorial claims with China over disputed islands in the East China Sea. Although Japan has administered the islands for decades, China claimed sovereignty, and has been sending patrol boats into the area. Under a U.S.-Japan treaty, the U.S. is obligated to defend Japanese territory. Smith says there is deep concern in Washington about how to manage the dispute.

SMITH: The United States is an ally of Japan, and therefore wants to support Japanese efforts to defend its territory. On the other hand, no one in Washington wants to see escalating tensions between Japan and China, let alone anything that might lead to a calculated or miscalculated use of force between the two countries.

NORTHAM: But Ely Ratner - who until recently was on the China Desk at the State Department - says it's likely the U.S. has already been reaching out to Abe's party and Beijing to try to calm the situation. Ratner, now with the Center for a New American Security, says there are other issues that can potentially create bigger problems, particularly with other U.S. allies in the region. Abe has denied aspects of Japan's wartime history, including its use of women from Korea and other occupied countries as sex slaves for its military. Ratner says that will have major repercussions for relations with South Korea.

ELY RATNER: And this poses a challenge for the United States, who has treaty relations with both Seoul and Tokyo. And I think it befuddles a lot of American strategists that those two countries can't get along better, particularly in the face of a rising China.

NORTHAM: Or as the U.S. tries to deal with North Korea's nuclear program. Washington needs all its allies in the region to be on the same page. Michael Green, with the Center for Strategic and International Studies, says Abe's overheated rhetoric is much different than his track record. Green says Abe had a strong nationalist edge to him when he first became Japan's prime minister in 2006, but he quickly took a more pragmatic view and actually improved relations with China and Korea. Green says Abe will likely moderate his rhetoric now that he's won the election.

MICHAEL GREEN: As a matter of realpolitik - and Abe is a strategic realpolitik kind of thinker - I think he'll drop it. And certainly I think the U.S. government is quietly encouraging him to do that so that we can move forward together to deal with the problems we face today and in the future.

NORTHAM: Washington will have a chance to do that soon enough. Abe says his first visit when he takes office will be to the U.S. Jackie Northam, NPR News, Washington.

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The globe policy has a lot of things to worried about. Sometimes, I am just wondering why they care about maintaining "Peace and the American way of life" in other parts of the earth so much.

 

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US, Japan review worst-case plans for island dispute.Are we prepared ?

This thread is to show current events that might lead up the the next World Confrontation between World Powers and possible escalation points around the Globe.Sure ww3 will the new play ground for new players including India and Pakistan.If u have any information on this... But fact only. Lets have decent debate.With diffrent point of view,Let the party begins.

YEAR 2013,Thursday, March 21
US, Japan review worst-case plans for island dispute

Washington (AFP)


US and
Japanese officers are discussing worst-case contingency plans for retaking disputed islands in the East China Sea if China moves to seize them, US officials said Wednesday.
Japan's Nikkei newspaper first reported the talks, which prompted a strong reaction from China.
"We have contingency plans and we discuss them with allies," a US official told AFP speaking on condition of anonymity, saying it was "natural" that the two governments would confer on emergency scenarios given recent tensions.
A Pentagon official, who also asked not to be quoted by name, confirmed the discussions, saying "we're a planning organization."
But both sources said the US government did not want to fuel tensions, and that the contingency planning would be only one of many topics on the agenda when top US and Japanese officers meet in Hawaii later this week.
Admiral Samuel Locklear, head of US Pacific Command, is scheduled to host General Shigeru Iwasaki, chief of the Japanese Self Defense Forces Joint Staff, for Thursday's talks.
Officially, the Pentagon would neither confirm nor deny whether the contingency plans were under discussion.
"As a matter of policy, we do not discuss our military planning efforts," said Lieutenant Colonel Catherine Wilkinson.
"The US policy on the Senkaku Islands is long-standing. We encourage the claimants to resolve the issue through peaceful means," she said, using the Japanese name for the islands.
The United States has made clear that its alliance with Tokyo applies to the islands, raising the possibility of US military action in support of Japan if China moves to seize them.
Beijing and Tokyo both claim the islands, which the Chinese call the Diaoyu.
The dispute has escalated in recent months, with Beijing repeatedly sending ships to waters around the islands to back up its claims. Tokyo has alleged that a Chinese frigate locked its radar on a Japanese destroyer in January.
In a faxed response to a query, China's defense ministry said it had seen the Nikkei report and reiterated Beijing's stance that the islands belong to China.
"The determination and will of Chinese military forces to safeguard China's sovereignty and territorial integrity are steadfast," the ministry said.
"We firmly oppose any action that could further complicate and magnify the situation."
China's newly installed President Xi Jinping is vowing to fight for a "great renaissance of the Chinese nation." Xi has close ties to China's expanding military, and called for the armed forces to strengthen their ability to "win battles."
Japan too has expressed a new strain of nationalistic rhetoric under its hawkish prime minister, Shinzo Abe, who has urged new graduates of the National Defense Academy to guard the country against "provocations."
Abe's Liberal Democratic Party pledged at its annual convention on Sunday to accelerate efforts to reform Japan's pacifist post-war constitution and create a fully fledged military.

ARE WE PREPARED?

 

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What will be the Role of India in World War 3
From times immemorial, India has been the spiritual centre of the world. Spiritual research has revealed that in the Armageddon that is unfolding, India will hold centre stage from a spiritual perspective. In the course of the war, negative forces will instigate neighbouring countries to attack India to destabilise the pivotal role that it will play. Approximately 50% of the Indian population will perish as a result.

Nuclear weapons with unstable neighbour pakistan is like time bomb in monkey's Hand... That too with terrorist taking over paki state its like mental monkey holding bomb... Worst than first case. We should not esitate to rain nuke if we wr nuked or even pakistan pressed the launch button we should retaliate before the missile reach our sky.But r we prepared?

 

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Power of Russia...Prepared for ww3...

 

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i'm pretty sure US stance on china/japan dispute is still neutrual. it will depend on the event that lead to sino-jap war for the US to be involved or not. US is not just gonna involved in a conflict with china that is even less meaningful than russia/Georigia conflict.

 

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i'm pretty sure US stance on china/japan dispute is still neutrual. it will depend on the event that lead to sino-jap war for the US to be involved or not. US is not just gonna involved in a conflict with china that is even less meaningful than russia/Georigia conflict.

wat u mean by neutral? USA ready to hump china in wat ever way it can... India dint allow usa to have its fleet india sea.. But not to mention the indian navy is well equiped tha army . Hell lot of bramos to be fired... with new P8 and new base at andaman nicobar its a night mare for china to even think of conflict with india even with land force... Chinese have the most 1970 and 80s weapons..still not retiered... this is 2013 ...3/4 of chinese weapons are just practice sections for india and surely a drean run for USA