Challenging India's Demographic Advantage, China's new Policy

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This policy was introduced in 1979 and initially applied from 1979.

It is 2013 now!

Quite a long wait to realise that China will have problems with manpower!

I am sure it could have been realised long back given the manner in which statistical models predicts the future!
 

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@bennedose 's efforts in the tedious write-up is laudable. do u know Chinese birth control was copycatted from Indira Gandhi's forced sterilization? ? if u didnt, pls brush up your knowledge of Indian history.

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The point that you seem to fail to realise is that the Indian public did not lie supine and helpless as it was in China.

History is your weakness?

Or do you feel that selective extracts will indicate you are very knowledgeable?
 
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The point that you seem to fail to realise that the Indian public did not lie supine and helples as it was in China.
oh? tell more on how Indians reacted to our honored Indira Gandhi as u seem an living witness to her endeavours in the world renowned "green revolution" and sterilization enforcement?

u know women r often more competent than men in politics esp. a lady of guts like her!

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oh? tell more on how Indians reacted to our honored Indira Gandhi as u seem an living witness to her endeavours in the world renowned "green revolution" and sterilization enforcement?

u know women r often more competent than men in politics esp. a lady of guts like her!

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Let me first start by telling you that you are a master at short cuts to, what you think, are results.

The manner you uses SMS lexicon instead of English, it indicates that either you are lazy or you cannot spell and so you do not dare attempt to spell.

Yet, one credits you for rewriting Indian history with ill informed imagination, but then that is fine, since that is what the Chinese are expert at!

It was not Mrs indira Gandhi who started the Green Revolution. Instead, it was Lal Bahadur Shastri, who was the PM after Nehru.

The major challenge faced by Prime Miniser Lal Bhadur Shastri, was that of food crisis. India was facing a severe drought situation in 1965 & literally "begging" for grains from USA. This was the time when Shastri took up the challenge upfront & created large teams of agricultural scientists & motivated them to come up with solutions. In the meantime, Shastri gave up one meal every day so that it could be given to the needy and motivated his countrymen also to do the same. For long term solution, had personally identified M.S.Swaminathan's pioneering work in agriculture & requested him to head the team and ensured him full support. This triggered the Green Revolution which made India self sufficient in grains within a decade!!
M.S. Swaminathan is known as the "Father of the Green Revolution in India".

So, it indicates you are as usual acting like a gauchi gan as they say in Punjabi meaning lost!

AS far as sterilisation is concerned, it was rejected by India.

Unlike China, where one has no option but to kowtow to the CCP diktats wherein they had no option but to accept the draconian One Child policy that was against human rights, it is not so in India.

Indira Gandhi, who otherwise, was taken to be a great leader, lost the elections because of the policy of sterilisation aimed to limit the family numbers.

In China, the draconian One Child policy was accepted without a whimper in a wimpish manner, since the other option was a long stay in the Laogai (forced labour prisons)! In India, we rejected the draconian sterilisation.

Yet later, when Indira Gandhi returned to power having recanted for her mistakes, the country accepted the principle of a small family since it was explained in a democratic way through the 'Chhota Parivar, Sukhi Parivar' (a small family is a happy family) programme.

That is the difference between democracy of India and dictatorship of China.
 
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no one expected the old policy to be permanently enforced, not even CCP who established that policy.

therefore, abolishing the policy doesnt mean an admission of mistake. it only means that the policy has fulfilled its mission, now it's time too let it go.

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self criticism is one of the biggest casualty in China... it takes hell lot of guts to admit one's own mistake"¦
 
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The latest border defence agreement must be scrapped asap. It seems that MMS has sold out this nation to Chinese. If we can't throw them out as per this agreement, than they have an embassy in Delhi and what happens if they claim Delhi to be part of China? they will occupy Delhi with India unable to do anything. We have surrendered our right to fight and throw them out by this agreement.
 

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self criticism is one of the biggest casualty in China... it takes hell lot of guts to admit one's own mistake"¦
only if there is no mistake to admit.

do tell me why easing the family planning policy is an admission of mistake?

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sensitive indians are having a hallucination that China is targetting India by abolishing the one China policy.
severe psychological trauma caused by 1962 conflict is still lingering in the minds of Indians, shaping their way of thinking and acting in the decades to come.Sent from my HUAWEI T8951 using Tapatalk 2
in resume:- only one man faced trauma
- the one who underestimated the sinister dragon
other than that, especially today
there is no trauma , there is no hallucination

it is very simple :_
we trusted you then , but never again -
can u understand that ?

coming back on topic - im glad india rejected the forced birth control measures of the past
reducing production and after that increasing production of kids
is not the same as a guangdong factory producing cheap 5-dollar watches
one month more and the next month less , according to sales orders

once a population has been influenced into producing less,
it's almost impossible to reverse their feeling into producing more later
~JUST LOOK AT THE WESTERN NATIONS AS EXAMPLES
they are now frantic about their future population figures

if india continues to be BLESSED with high birth rates
let it be

we must face the challenges caused by the same and overcome them
like we have already overcome the extreme poverty of the 1950's

we succeeded then under far more severe circumstances,
we could do it again, if necessary,
especially now that we are in a better position
 
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The latest border defence agreement must be scrapped asap. It seems that MMS has sold out this nation to Chinese. If we can't throw them out as per this agreement, than they have an embassy in Delhi and what happens if they claim Delhi to be part of China? they will occupy Delhi with India unable to do anything. We have surrendered our right to fight and throw them out by this agreement.
something has to change ,
otherwise the same will continue
( newtons' second law of motion ? )

will 2014 be that year of change ?
will india bring in a new force to change the direction ?
 

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only if there is no mistake to admit.
my bad... Chinese are the only chosen ones who do not make any mistakes...

do tell me why easing the family planning policy is an admission of mistake?

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if it is not then you have not have eased the family planning policy...
 

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sensitive indians are having a hallucination that China is targetting India by abolishing the one China policy.
China targets all its neighbors not only India"¦ what will India gain from China's one child's policy ??

severe psychological trauma caused by 1962 conflict is still lingering in the minds of Indians, shaping their way of thinking and acting in the decades to come.

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We try to learn from history...

Have you overcome from the trauma of rape at Nanking ?? I see Chinese crying the other day on Japan's PM visit to a war memorial...
 

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I posted an article in one of the threads, which indicates that it will take a minimum of 15 years before China can change the adverse situation caused by this One Child Policy.
you are quite optimistic to say...

the demographic disadvantage which has been nurtured by their gov is slowly raising,may be in 15 years it reaches its peak.

it takes atleast one full generation to tackle this problem,more or less 25 years i guess
 

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no one expected the old policy to be permanently enforced, not even CCP who established that policy.

therefore, abolishing the policy doesnt mean an admission of mistake. it only means that the policy has fulfilled its mission, now it's time too let it go.

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its a mistake done by ccp.the basic mistake done by them at that time was not thinking about the demographics few decades later,4-2-1 syndrome.

will that be a success that would be acknowledged??
 

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@bennedose 's efforts in the tedious write-up is laudable. do u know Chinese birth control was copycatted from Indira Gandhi's forced sterilization? ? if u didnt, pls brush up your knowledge of Indian history.

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exactly.this was done by her first son dream project,but it failed miserably

india is the first country to start family planning operations on national scale.

but,again here india followed 2 children policy,one girl and one boy.probably the think tank (ias usually) had a foresight of 1 child programme and opted for two.govt actively advertised for bringing up girl population and even banned sex determination.this has somewhat helped to keep up gender balance this day.

off topic.

but on other hand chinese were only given a choice of one child and there is a preference for a boy it seems even these days causing gender imbalance.
 
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oh? tell more on how Indians reacted to our honored Indira Gandhi as u seem an living witness to her endeavours in the world renowned "green revolution" and sterilization enforcement?

u know women r often more competent than men in politics esp. a lady of guts like her!

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people replied by voting her out of power.possibly even to oust a strong person in a democracy
 

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only if there is no mistake to admit.

do tell me why easing the family planning policy is an admission of mistake?

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It is not a mistake.

It is visionary, at least in the short term results.

At least innovative in the lifetime of the person who got it into force.

It is not material for the person who thought it out as to how to ensure that it is tweaked along the way to meet the demands of the situation.

Jo ho. so ho.
 

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exactly.this was done by her first son dream project,but it failed miserably

india is the first country to start family planning operations on national scale.

but,again here india followed 2 children policy,one girl and one boy.probably the think tank (ias usually) had a foresight of 1 child programme and opted for two.govt actively advertised for bringing up girl population and even banned sex determination.this has somewhat helped to keep up gender balance this day.

off topic.

but on other hand chinese were only given a choice of one child and there is a preference for a boy it seems even these days causing gender imbalance.
why is India also having a huge gender imbalance without a family planning policy?

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my bad... Chinese are the only chosen ones who do not make any mistakes...



if it is not then you have not have eased the family planning policy...
have you ever seen any national policy being enforced permanently?

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why is India also having a huge gender imbalance without a family planning policy?

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Because just like Chinese, Indian couples prefer boys over girls. This leads to widely available and practised sex-selective abortion, hence the gender imbalance.
 

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its a mistake done by ccp.the basic mistake done by them at that time was not thinking about the demographics few decades later,4-2-1 syndrome.

will that be a success that would be acknowledged??
the policy was introduced to prevent a population explosion, and it has successfully served its purpose.

i admit that this radical policy has its serious side effect such as an aging population and growing gender imbalance.

but the conclusion of it being a mistake or not can only be made after we weigh pros against the cons, not based on silly logic like it's a mistake because it's abolished.

new policies are being introduced each year, old policies are being phased out at same time, each policy has its a life cycle.

i personally think that it's too soon to say it's a mistake.

for those who really are interested in this issue, who are not just here to tease, i advise to think what China would look like if there was no aggressive measure being taken to slow the population growth.

one obvious impact of high population gowth in China would be starvation. with limited fertile land, the agricultural output of today's China has pushed its limit, but China is still importing more and more food each year. how could China feed the extra hundreds of millions?

now that China has avoided a catastrophic population explosion, to determine if the policy is a mistake, we need to find out if China can survive the serious problem created by it, which will take decades.

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