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[captscooby81]

Looks like Bi ra sold his soul to become 1st CDS by giving complete control to the babudom what is the use of CDS and DMA when it again needs approvals from DS and babulog . Babudom control capital procurement which is the gravy train for them and they will never give it to armed forces

I don't get it, have we got what we wanted or is the position still compromised by Bureaucracy.

 

[Akula]

Whatever Maj. Guarav Arya is saying in this video has happened today. Bureaucracy can't see anyone above them.

 

[tarunraju]

So CDS won't enjoy any military command. It makes the institution pointless. MoD would have successfully scared the Cabinet of coup risk. So they came up with a toothless role for CDS full of buzzwords and gimmicks, just so PM doesn't have a loss of face for not delivering on an I-Day promise. They could have at least made CDS a 5-star officer so he could command token respect from the ranks.

What a sham. Very disappointed.

 

[Suryavanshi]

Modi has sold us short.

Bhai Ab kya expect karu.

They have appointed CDS which is basically toothless.
Gand marae ye duniya.

Bureaucracy and Babudom has won again.

 

[tarunraju]

I honestly expected Modi to see through coup shit. Instead he ate it.

The CDS prescribed post-Kargil was that who can make the CoAS tie his shoelace while simultaneously making the CNS prepare his tea, and the ACM pulling the car out from his garage. A Manekshaw-like, CDG-like, Patton-like military figure who can swiftly respond to a 2.5-front threat from chicoms, porkis, and desi cryptos.

We instead got a 4-star stick-in-the-mud who can't even order a subedar around. A past-shelf-life babu who happens to wear a military uniform.

 

[Atcjurvin]

Giving military command to CDS will make babus and cheifs powerless Indira Gandhi also tried to make sam manekshaw CDS but it was opposed by babus and chiefs. I thought that CDS would work for MOD and there will be a proper military representation but instead they made it for new department of military affairs which is still under MOD and all those babus. so basically it is a bluff and showoff nothing else.IAS association still won.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Making MOD useless and giving too much power to Military geranail can also have adverse effects on the country too.
But I think new CDS can easily solve budget allocation for each services and can also give pin point advice from prospective of 3 forces to MOD. And with advanced warfare capabilities of future can also come into hands of CDS. For example cyber warfare.
And anyway it's better than nothing.

 

[Atcjurvin]

:biggrin2:

Making MOD useless and giving to much power to Military geranail can also have adverse effects on the country too.
But I think new CDS can easily solve budget allocation for each services and can also give pin point advice from prospective of 3 forces to MOD. And with advanced warfare capabilities of future can also come into hands of CDS. For example cyber warfare.
And anyway it's better than nothing.

Make him general bajwa of india

 

[Jatt.ak47]

Bharat Mata Ki Jai

Yo do you ever just look at Hind and smile?
You need to get the position establish by hook or cook.
Don't look at military like normal politics, v v hard to reverse an Army decision.
He could promise to make peace with Pakistan in order to get the CDS position.

Once you have the throne, everything changes.


There's story from Ithiaas somewhere, about friendship only being possible among equals.

 

[Akshay_Fenix]

Cabinet approves creation of the post of Chief of Defence Staff in the rank of four star General
Posted On: 24 DEC 2019 5:44PM by PIB Delhi

In a landmark decision with tremendous reform in higher defence management in the country, the Union Cabinet chaired by Prime Minister Narendra Modi has approved to create the post of Chief of Defence Staff in the rank of a four-star General with salary and perquisites equivalent to a Service Chief. The Chief of Defence Staff will also head the Department of Military Affairs (DMA), to be created within the Ministry of Defence and function as its Secretary.



The following areas will be dealt by the Department of Military Affairs headed by CDS:

1. The Armed Forces of the Union, namely, the Army, the Navy and the Air Force.
2. Integrated Headquarters of the Ministry of Defence comprising Army Headquarters, Naval Headquarters, Air Headquarters and Defence Staff Headquarters.
3. The Territorial Army.
4. Works relating to the Army, the Navy and the Air Force.
5. Procurement exclusive to the Services except capital acquisitions, as per prevalent rules and procedures.

Apart from the above, the mandate of the Department of Military Affairs will include the following areas:

1. Promoting jointness in procurement, training and staffing for the Services through joint planning and integration of their requirements.
2. Facilitation of restructuring of Military Commands for optimal utilisation of resources by bringing about jointness in operations, including through establishment of joint/theatre commands.
3. Promoting use of indigenous equipment by the Services.

The Chief of Defence Staff, apart from being the head of the Department of Military Affairs, will also be the Permanent Chairman of the Chiefs of Staff Committee. He will act as the Principal Military Adviser to Raksha Mantri on all tri-Services matters. The three Chiefs will continue to advise RM on matters exclusively concerning their respective Services. CDS will not exercise any military command, including over the three Service Chiefs, so as to be able to provide impartial advice to the political leadership.



As the Permanent Chairman of Chiefs of Staff Committee, CDS will perform the following functions:

• CDS will administer tri-services organisations. Tri-service agencies/organisations/commands related to Cyber and Space will be under the command of the CDS.

· CDS will be member of Defence Acquisition Council chaired by Raksha Mantri and Defence Planning Committee chaired by NSA.

· Function as the Military Adviser to the Nuclear Command Authority.

· Bring about jointness in operation, logistics, transport, training, support services, communications, repairs and maintenance, etc of the three Services, within three years of the first CDS assuming office.

· Ensure optimal utilisation of infrastructure and rationalise it through jointness among the services.

· Implement Five-Year Defence Capital Acquisition Plan (DCAP), and Two-Year roll-on Annual Acquisition Plans (AAP), as a follow up of Integrated Capability Development Plan (ICDP).

· Assign inter-Services prioritisation to capital acquisition proposals based on the anticipated budget.

• Bring about reforms in the functioning of three Services aimed at augmenting combat capabilities of the Armed Forces by reducing wasteful expenditure.

It is expected that this reform in the Higher Defence Management would enable the Armed Forces to implement coordinated defence doctrines and procedures and go a long way in fostering jointmanship among the three Services. The country would be benefitted by coordinated action on greater jointmanship in training, logistics and operations as well as for prioritisation of procurements.

Background

This follows the announcement made by the Prime Minister on 15th August 2019, in his address to the nation, inter alia, "India should not have a fragmented approach. Our entire military power will have to work in unison and move forward. All the three (Services) should move simultaneously at the same pace. There should be good coordination and it should be relevant to the hope and aspirations of our people. It should be in line with the changing war and security environment with the world. After formation of this post (CDS), all the three forces will get effective leadership at the top level."

 

[tarunraju]

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Looks like Bi ra sold his soul to become 1st CDS by giving complete control to the babudom

Frankly, if Gen Rawat cares about his legacy, he should refuse the offer of CDS. This post is an insult. Accepting it in its present form shows that you're unwilling to hang your boots at whatever cost of legacy and respect.

 

[sorcerer]

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Frankly, if Gen Rawat cares about his legacy, he should refuse the offer of CDS. This post is an insult. Accepting it in its present form shows that you're unwilling to hang your boots at whatever cost of legacy and respect.

Somebody gotta do the consolidated consultation part effectively from a military point of view.

 

[indiatester]

We should not be disappointed. Retired Generals see value in this.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Nitin A gokhle on CDS.
Says historic step.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

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Frankly, if Gen Rawat cares about his legacy, he should refuse the offer of CDS. This post is an insult. Accepting it in its present form shows that you're unwilling to hang your boots at whatever cost of legacy and respect.

That's what people said when NSA was promoted to cabinet rank... Doval is the CDS..

 

[abingdonboy]

This disappointed by recent clarifications clearly have ZERO idea what a CDS is meant to be and how they operate in other modern democracies.


CDS was not going to be nor should it be a “super general” that assumes complete control of all military assets. It is an ADMINISTRATIVE position and a much much MUCH needed reform to take the Indian mil away from colonial roots and transform it into a modern fighting force. And with the talk of theatre commands gaining traction CDS is the only way to make this happen. Results of this position won’t be truly seen for another 15-20 years but this is an important start for sure.


saying that CDS is ruled by babus might be the most asinine commentary I’ve seen so far. With this move a military general and not a babu will be in charge of all Indian military affairs and this will surely act as a catalyst for reforming this archaic and ill-performing institution.

like I said, give it time. Ramifications of CDS post will be dramatic for sure, late to the game (many nations have had CDS for a half century already) but essential to be in post now as India looks to seriously enter big power games.

 

[IndiaRising]

Unpopular opinion- I don't think General Bipin Rawat will be first CDS. Most likely, it will be Admiral Karambir Singh.
If it was Gen. Bipin Rawat, why would they wait so long to announce the name?

 

[ezsasa]

Unpopular opinion- I don't think General Bipin Rawat will be first CDS. Most likely, it will be Admiral Karambir Singh.
If it was Gen. Bipin Rawat, why would they wait so long to announce the name?

Because series of files have to move up the chain, file will be created only after the new department of duly notified by the govt.

Department has been officially been created only yesterday. It’s not just about appointing one person, notifications will be issued for peons and all the way up including finding new office space for the department (temporary and permanent later).
Even if staff is preselected, official process remains the same.

So it’s ok, let’s not get bothered with these things.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

LT Ge satish dua.
CDS great step over the years he will be empowered more and says 5 Star general could have created implications of power between civilian government and army and 5Star generals are don't exist in other countries too. It's a age old practice which is namaste t required now.

 

[Holy Triad]

#Army Rules Amended, #MoD issuing notification for maximum age of Chief of Defence Staff as 65 yrs.

So now clear indication for who is next #CDS.