Can hardline China handle islamic extremism better than 'soft' India ?

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Judging by the policies of the Chinese govt , China certainly seems better equipped to handle the problem of islamic extremism than India . India is hampered by it's democracy , where the muslim community has to be placated in order to win it's votes---and therefore a hardline stand against islamic terrorism can't be taken .

On the other hand , China is unencumbered by the need to win muslim votes---and hence can take a hardline stand against islamic extremism .

Terror fear? China city bans beards, veils in buses - The Times of India
 

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The subject itself is an irony itself. Checking recent history the "soft" India has never been soft in dealing with Islamism (not always equivalent to extremism).

This happened in "democratic" India 6th December 1992: The Babri mosque at Ayodhya is demolished


How hardline do u @ashdoc expect india to go ? Like Taliban did to the Bamiyan?
 
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The subject itself is an irony itself. Checking recent history the "soft" India has never been soft in dealing with Islamism (not always equivalent to extremism).

This happened in "democratic" India 6th December 1992: The Babri mosque at Ayodhya is demolished


How hardline do u @ashdoc expect india to go ? Like Taliban did to the Bamiyan?
India has not put restrictions on islamic dress and customs like china has . to be honest china has gone too far .

communal incidents happen in every country---that does not mean india is a hardline country .

but enacting laws which put restrictions on islamic customs is truely hardline . so it is china , not india which is truely hardline . only a bloodstained communist dictatorship which was responsible for killing countless millions in pogroms like ' great leap forward ' and ' cultural revolution ' can go so far as to directly put restrictions on following religion .
 
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India has not put restrictions on islamic dress and customs like china has . to be honest china has gone too far .

communal incidents happen in every country---that does not mean india is a hardline country .

but enacting laws which put restrictions on islamic customs is truely hardline . so it is china , not india which is truely hardline . only a bloodstained communist dictatorship which was responsible for killing countless millions in pogroms like ' great leap forward ' and ' cultural revolution ' can go so far as to directly put restrictions on following religion .
It's just your attempt to depict Indians (more precisely Hindus) as victims due to "being soft". Daily communal violence against Muslims is soft? Soft to such an extent of demolishing historical and religious sites like mosques? Is it any different from setting fire on synagogues in Europe?

And u call restrictions on islamic customs hardline? The civilized world is doing that - France Burqa Ban and France's Le Pen: ban non-pork meals in schools - Telegraph in order for public security and conformity with the mainstream values!
 
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It is better for chinese not to talk about human rights, freedom and liberty.

They do not know anything about these things nor they experienced them.

Worse, they do not know they are being oppressed by CCP.

It's just your attempt to depict Indians (more precisely Hindus) as victims due to "being soft". Daily communal violence against Muslims is soft? Soft to such an extent of demolishing historical and religious sites like mosques? Is it any different from setting fire on synagogues in Europe?

And u call restrictions on islamic customs hardline? The civilized world is doing that - France Burqa Ban and France's Le Pen: ban non-pork meals in schools - Telegraph in order for public security and conformity with the mainstream values!
 
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It is better for chinese not to talk about human rights, freedom and liberty.

They do not know anything about these things nor they experienced them.

Worse they do not know they are being oppressed by CCP.
Let's see how u can defend vandalizing mosques as "human rights, freedom and liberty" :scared2:



Indian posters like to set an imaginary China as a contrast but how would it justify your "hardness" against muslims? ? Don't try to resort to " Chinese not to talk" arguments when u fail to stare your problem in the face !
 
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That is what I am talking about Chinese and China, India is a complex country where lot of faiths co exists, some times mob gets out of control . Chinese oppress every thing including Islam, these things will be done by CCP in the name of Communism.

Do I have to post What CCP mob is doing to Islam in East Turkestan continuously for almost a decade and half now, they did the same with Tibet :sarcastic:

Let's see how u can defend vandalizing mosques as "human rights, freedom and liberty" :scared2:



Indian posters like to set an imaginary China as a contrast but how would it justify your "hardness" against muslims? ? Don't try to resort to " Chinese not to talk" arguments when u fail to stare your problem in the face !
 

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It is better for chinese not to talk about human rights, freedom and liberty.

They do not know anything about these things nor they experienced them.

Worse, they do not know they are being oppressed by CCP.
Why all this negativity about CCP all the time? She has transformed China from a poor and ill developped country into second largest economy on the globe and has been more succesful in reaching the development targets than many democracies in the developping world.

China is home to 1.4 billion people. A small revolution can easily escalate into a mass revolt against the CCP but apparently people are happy with the things as they are. More than a 100 million Chinese spend their holidays abroad and they have relatively more freedom than they enjoyed three decades ago.
Baseline is that China is opening up slowly and at certain point the CCP may allow political reforms when she thinks that China is ready to become a democracy. Imho, China would not have witnessed the wirtschafts wunder as a democracy because there would be too many hurdles and too many domestic political issues that would slow down the economic growth. E.g. the Three Gorges Dam would never have been built under a democratic system, the Beijing Olympics would not have been a success...
China's strength has always been the central planning. Whenever the CCP plans something, she delivers and all of this to the benefit of local comodities.

China's semi democratic semi capitalist system is not as bad as we make it look like. It works with high deciplin and
devotion and there is no room for political corruption or political dynasties to exploit the power.
 
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Re: Can hardline China handle islamic extremism better than 'soft' Ind

That is what I am talking about Chinese and China, India is a complex country where lot of faiths co exists, some times mob gets out of control . Chinese oppress every thing including Islam, these things will be done by CCP in the name of Communism.

Do I have to post What CCP mob is doing to Islam in East Turkestan continuously for almost a decade and half now, they did the same with Tibet :sarcastic:
1. such an India-is-complex statement is no more than an excuse. don't talk naively as if other parts of the world were "simple", or "fully under control" to justify yours

2. feel free to post Chinese oppressions be it in ET'stan or Tibet. oh mind u there're already loads of such threads just post where it's due.

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Modi has pledged national unity as he attempts to revive the faltering economy, but he remains tainted by anti-Muslim riots on his watch in Gujarat in 2002 that left at least 1,000 people, mainly Muslims, dead.
 
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Why all this negativity about CCP all the time? She has transformed China from a poor and ill developped country into second largest economy on the globe and has been more succesful in reaching the development targets than many democracies in the developping world.

China is home to 1.4 billion people. A small revolution can easily escalate into a mass revolt against the CCP but apparently people are happy with the things as they are. More than a 100 million Chinese spend their holidays abroad and they have relatively more freedom than tjey enjoyed three decades ago.
Baseline is that China is opening up slowly and at certain point the CCP may allow political reforms when she thinks that China is ready to become a democracy. Imho, China would not have witnessed the wirtschafts wunder as a democracy because there would be too many hurdles and too many domestic political issues that would slow down the economic growth. E.g. the Three Gorges Dam would never have been built under a democratic system, the Beijing Olympics would not have been a success...
China's strength has always been the central planning. Whenever the CCP plans something, she delivers and all of this to the benefit of local comodities.

China's semi democratic semi capitalist system is not as bad as we make it look like. It works with high deciplin and
devotion and there is no room for political corruption or political dynasties to exploit the power.
Most of the chinese after amassing wealth prefer leaving china because of freedom issues.

CCP is known for sacrificing its people for the sake of reforms and its expansionism. You have to witness the things of CCP hegemony on ordinary people inroder to have a clear idea of what Chinese go through their daily lives.

CCP officials are ultimate, corrupt to the core but no one can question them.

When it comes to reforms they did lot of atrocities on common people





CCP is not a favorite for Chinese people rather they survive on GDP and economic reforms.

US, UK even Singapore went through reforms and are successful with out these atrocities on their people. Chinese CCP thinks one side reason and implement the decisions with out thinking of consequences reason why Chinese cities are polluted and effected the health of millions of people across China.
 

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US, UK even Singapore went through reforms and are successful with out these atrocities on their people. Chinese CCP thinks one side reason and implement the decisions with out thinking of consequences reason why Chinese cities are polluted and effected the health of millions of people across China.
Ah Now I see your knowledge level :rofl:
 

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Before posting pics don't you even read history? As archaelogoy has shown that Babri masjid is not a masjid but it was a Hindu temple which was demolished by Babar,the islamic king and he used its ruins to build Ram mandir.
I don't think reclaiming what belongs to you is violence. That is justice.
 
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Most of the chinese after amassing wealth prefer leaving china because of freedom issues.

CCP is known for sacrificing its people for the sake of reforms and its expansionism. You have to witness the things of CCP hegemony on ordinary people inroder to have a clear idea of what Chinese go through their daily lives.

CCP officials are ultimate, corrupt to the core but no one can question them.

When it comes to reforms they did lot of atrocities on common people





CCP is not a favorite for Chinese people rather they survive on GDP and economic reforms.

US, UK even Singapore went through reforms and are successful with out these atrocities on their people. Chinese CCP thinks one side reason and implement the decisions with out thinking of consequences reason why Chinese cities are polluted and effected the health of millions of people across China.
Supression is an oversatement compared to the gains she gets for national interests and for greater good. USA and UK did the same thing for a long time. UK was fed by the British Empire and most of the development was paid with looted money fron opressed colonies. America stole land from the locals and the Mexicans but that is all right I guess.

It took more than a century to build and industrialise USA and Uk but China did it in three decades. Extreme poverty is down to minimum, literacy rate all time tigh, population growth is in control and she's still fastest growing major economy in the world. So what if a few thousand or even.a million wealthy Chinese migrate to west to enjoy freedom? There is still plenty left behind.

Millions of Europeans, Americans, Arabs and even wealthy people from the Sub Continent have migrated as well to
seek better future and living environment.
 
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Why all this negativity about CCP all the time? She has transformed China from a poor and ill developped country into second largest economy on the globe and has been more succesful in reaching the development targets than many democracies in the developping world.

China is home to 1.4 billion people. A small revolution can easily escalate into a mass revolt against the CCP but apparently people are happy with the things as they are. More than a 100 million Chinese spend their holidays abroad and they have relatively more freedom than they enjoyed three decades ago.
Baseline is that China is opening up slowly and at certain point the CCP may allow political reforms when she thinks that China is ready to become a democracy. Imho, China would not have witnessed the wirtschafts wunder as a democracy because there would be too many hurdles and too many domestic political issues that would slow down the economic growth. E.g. the Three Gorges Dam would never have been built under a democratic system, the Beijing Olympics would not have been a success...
China's strength has always been the central planning. Whenever the CCP plans something, she delivers and all of this to the benefit of local comodities.

China's semi democratic semi capitalist system is not as bad as we make it look like. It works with high deciplin and
devotion and there is no room for political corruption or political dynasties to exploit the power.
Why this negativity about the CCP?

You may not understand since you have never had a democracy or even a full term of civilian govt except during the regime of Mr 10% and instead have been underfoot of the military.

Hence, you would have empathy with repression as your quote of breathing quote of stifled air.

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary economic safety deserve neither

Now, go check on the rural poverty and deprivation in CCP controlled China.

Shanghai is not China.

It took more than a century to build and industrialise USA and Uk but China did it in three decades. Extreme poverty is down to minimum, literacy rate all time tigh, population growth is in control and she's still fastest growing major economy in the world. So what if a few thousand or even.a million wealthy Chinese migrate to west to enjoy freedom? There is still plenty left behind.
A totalitarian state can achieve the miracles because its citizens are robotic, mind controlled and forced to act and choose as per the Govt dictates.

Why only China's achievement in three decades?

Even USSR did it in less time. became a real superpower from a poverty stricken feudal morass of a country.

And what about the remarkable rise of Nazi Germany after the crushing provisions of the Versailles Treaty, that followed after the lost WW I?

They did it in JUST 21 years
!!!!!

I am sure you are a great fan of Hitler too.
 
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@amoy

Before posting pics don't you even read history? As archaelogoy has shown that Babri masjid is not a masjid but it was a Hindu temple which was demolished by Babar,the islamic king and he used its ruins to build Ram mandir.
I don't think reclaiming what belongs to you is violence. That is justice.
What ? u assume me not aware of that? do u plan to destroy existing Britain buildings since they were built above ... Dravidian, Aryan or any primitive stuffs prior to the advent of British Raj?

That (Mughal conquest) is part of your history and your cultural heritage, for better or for worse.
 
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What ? u assume me not aware of that? do u plan to destroy existing Britain buildings since they were built above ... Dravidian, Aryan or any primitive stuffs prior to the advent of British Raj?

That (Mughal conquest) is part of your history and your cultural heritage, for better or for worse.
Your confusion is understandable.

Religion is not the forte or a strong point in comprehension of the pagans and heathens.

Saudis risk new Muslim division with proposal to move Mohamed's tomb

One of Islam's most revered holy sites – the tomb of the Prophet Mohamed – could be destroyed and his body removed to an anonymous grave under plans which threaten to spark discord across the Muslim world.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...h-proposal-to-move-mohameds-tomb-9705120.html
So, as per you the Muslim people are imbecilic and daft, right?

and indeed your are right that "The (Mughal conquest) is part of your history and your cultural heritage, for better or for worse".

Just as the Han cultural and ethnic genocide of all those people of lands they conquered beyond the Hwang Ho and the Yangtse Kiang.
 
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What ? u assume me not aware of that? do u plan to destroy existing Britain buildings since they were built above ... Dravidian, Aryan or any primitive stuffs prior to the advent of British Raj?

That (Mughal conquest) is part of your history and your cultural heritage, for better or for worse.
How about barbarian Mongols ruling and subduing China?? as a part of Chinese history??
 

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What ? u assume me not aware of that? do u plan to destroy existing Britain buildings since they were built above ... Dravidian, Aryan or any primitive stuffs prior to the advent of British Raj?

That (Mughal conquest) is part of your history and your cultural heritage, for better or for worse.
How about China starting celebration of Nanking massacre as an event which "enriched" the cultural heritage of China? Afterall it's a part of china's history for better or worse!
 

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How about China starting celebration of Nanking massacre as an event which "enriched" the cultural heritage of China? Afterall it's a part of china's history for better or worse!
Nanking?

That is touching a sensitive nerve with the Chinese chaps.

And worse is that the Japanese have contested it with statistics, mathematics and facts and that has driven the blade of sorrow deeper into the Chinese heart.
 

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