C-17 Globemaster III (IAF)

Armand2REP

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Armand2REP , you should speak directly, it is not good to speak round the bush.
anyway you are pretty knowledgable, any idea about Chinesae indigenous big military transportor information.
It all depends on Ukraine cooperation. They are currently building for China a wind tunnel to test large aircraft. They had signed an MoU two years ago for a JV, but the final contract is still unsigned. The MoU gave China three options, license production of An-70, design of IL-76 derivative, or joint development on a totally new design to be powered by Ukrainian engines. The way things are going, China is busy copying everything Ukraine ships her way. She is reluctant to hand over her bread and butter which is transport aviation which explains why the PTS is not signed. China currently doesn't even have the facilities to begin testing a design and without the help of Ukraine, it will be decades before they get one.
 

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India to buy more than 16 C-17 airlifters

The Indian Air Force (IAF) will acquire more than 16 Boeing C-17 heavy airlifters to add to its strategic capabilities, a top military commander has said.
The IAF chief, Air Chief Marshal P.V. Naik told India Strategic defence magazine (..:: India Strategic ::.. Home Page: The authoritative monthly on Defence and Strategic Affairs.) in an interview that while the government had accorded approval earlier this month to buy 10 aircraft, the air force was now processing a case for six more of these airlifters. At a later date, "we will add some more," he disclosed but did not specify the number.

He said that IAF's existing Soviet-vintage IL-76 heavy-lift aircraft would last approximately another 10 years, and the induction of the C-17 Globemaster IIIs during this period would be a timely replacement. India has less than 20 IL-76 in a dedicated transport role, while there are six midair refuellers designated Il-78, and another three to house the Israeli Phalcon AWACS (Airborne Warning and Control Systems).

The IAF has to replace the old aircraft and also augment its capability and capacity in accordance with the current and emerging security situation in the region in the foreseeable future.

The Indian government has just cleared the deal for 10 C-17s for $4.1 billion, and together with another six aircraft, the deal would be for around $6.5 billion, inclusive of the 30 percent offset clause.

The US government, and the Congress, have already cleared the deal under the government-to-government Foreign Military Sales (FMS) programme and it would be sealed once the Indian government signs the agreement and the US government issues what is called the LoA, or Letter of Acceptance, possibly by mid-June, to sell the aircraft to India.

Reliable sources, however, say the IAF could opt for eight more aircraft, in which case the deal for the C-17s could touch about $10 billion or so. A key advantage of the offsets under this programme is assistance by Boeing to set up an approximately $500 million engine-testing wind tunnel for jet engines with the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO). The air chief said that this project should go a long way in helping Indian scientists develop jet engines.

The indigenous capability in India for aircraft engines at the moment is vastly inadequate as it is difficult to master the engine core technology. Despite the acquisition of a very large number of aircraft from the Soviet Union/Russia and France, nobody has shared this expertise despite various collaborative programmes.

Even to test the Kaveri engine for the light combat aircraft (LCA) for instance, facilities in Russia have recently been used. Notably, although Boeing is the largest manufacturer of civil and military aircraft in the world, it uses engines built by the GE and Pratt & Whitney. But Boeing has the talent and expertise to integrate, and help develop, the best of the aerospace technologies thanks also to its involvement in US space programme, particularly the space shuttles.

About the C-17s, Air Chief Marshal Naik observed that a key advantage of this aircraft is that despite being a huge airlifter with 75-tonne capacity, it can operate from very short and unpaved grassy airfields. As IAF has several small airfields all around, this is a decisive factor in acquiring the C-17, the other being a long-range global capability with mid-air refueling.

As for short landing and takeoff, this capability of the C-17 was demonstrated during the aircraft's trials in 2010. Boeing test pilot Col. Kelly Latimer, a former USAF pilot whose laughter matches the respect she commands in flying this huge aircraft, actually landed and took off in less than 3,000 feet from a small airfield in the mountains.

This writer had the privilege to meet this NASA veteran during a visit to the US. She explained the capabilities of the C-17 in peacetime for humanitarian missions as well as in the battlefield to airdrop special forces personnel, material or to pick up injured and wounded from short unpaved grassy fields in the thick of battle. The area around the landing field has to be sanitized though, as for any transport aircraft or helicopter in a battle zone, with the help of fighter and combat helicopter cover.

According to this writer's understanding, the C-17 also played a decisive role in the recent Operation Geronimo against Osama bin Laden by ferrying the highly-capable
multi-role Chinook MH 60R and Apache helicopters to Afghanistan. These helicopters were deployed in the Navy SEAL commandos strike against Osama's hideout in Pakistan's garrison city of Abbotabad.

Notably, India has played an active role in the international community in disaster relief even with IL-76 aircraft and they have been deployed usefully in crises situations also to help the neighbouring countries, including Sri Lanka and the Maldives.

The first IL-76 was flown into India in 1985 by Air Marshal (retd) Ashok Goel, who is now the mentor of 44 and 25 Squadrons which operate this aircraft. (He is also India Strategic's Aviation Editor).

According to Goel, it is imperative for the combat fleet to be supported by highly capable transport aircraft and helicopters. The reach of the combat aircraft is supported and sustained by airlifters, and timely supplies of equipment, supplies and boots on the ground in any operation can only be done by a mix of heavy-lift and other aircraft like the special operations' C-130J Super Hercules.

It may be noted that a modern version of the IL-76, designated just 476, is being developed in Russia and will be out in 2014.

'India to buy more than 16 C-17 airlifters'
 

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We are talking abt a 2million strong army, And Top brass have plans to turn PARA forces equivalent to VDV ..

We are talking Huge, Plus regular logistic transport..

20-30 C17, 100+ mta in next 3 decades..
 

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We are talking abt a 2million strong army, And Top brass have plans to turn PARA forces equivalent to VDV ..

We are talking Huge, Plus regular logistic transport..

20-30 C17, 100+ mta in next 3 decades..
Something equivalent to VDV that will be great but as you know its a separate branch in Russian Armed forces here this is not going to happen
 

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We are talking abt a 2million strong army, And Top brass have plans to turn PARA forces equivalent to VDV ..

We are talking Huge, Plus regular logistic transport..

20-30 C17, 100+ mta in next 3 decades..
you forgot C-130J and existing An32's(shall be retired then) and IL-76's :D

we need more MTA's in that case; around 200 - 250
 

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Something equivalent to VDV that will be great but as you know its a separate branch in Russian Armed forces here this is not going to happen
In terms of equipment..

That what matters with these transports..
 

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As of now numbers look at around 24, I agree with Kunal, I guess we are going to see some 30-35 and may up to 40 of these giants in Indian service
 

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Indian C-17 Deal Done

Just received this from Boeing: Boeing today announced that India's Ministry of Defence has signed an agreement with the U.S. government to acquire 10 Boeing C-17 Globemaster III airlifters. The Foreign Military Sale - approved by the U.S. Congress in May 2010 - establishes India as the C-17's largest international customer.

According to the agreement, India will take delivery of its C-17s in 2013 and 2014. "The C-17 will elevate India's leadership in the region," said Dinesh Keskar, president, Boeing India. "With its tactical and strategic capabilities, the C-17 fulfills India's needs for military and humanitarian airlift. The important transaction reaffirms our close relationship of several decades with India and also highlights our commitment to the strategic partnership between the two countries."

"This agreement is a reflection of the outstanding partnership India's Ministry of Defence has with the U.S. Air Force, which worked very hard to help India strengthen its airlift capabilities with the C-17," said Jean Chamberlin, vice president and general manager, Boeing Mobility. "The aircraft's ability to transport large payloads across vast ranges, land on short, austere runways, and operate in extremely hot and cold climates makes it ideal for the region."

Boeing will support India's C-17 fleet through the C-17 Globemaster III Sustainment Partnership, a proven multinational Performance-Based Logistics program. The GSP "virtual fleet" arrangement ensures mission readiness by providing all C-17 customers - with varied fleet sizes - access to an extensive support network for worldwide parts availability and economies of scale when purchasing materials.

"Boeing is pleased that the Indian Air Force (IAF) has selected the C-17 to support its airlift mission," said Mark Kronenberg, vice president of International Business Development for Boeing Defense, Space & Security. "We look forward to partnering with India as we move forward with the agreement's 30 percent offset program, which will help strengthen India's aerospace and defense capabilities."

During rigorous field evaluation trials in India in June, the C-17 met all of the IAF's airlift requirements.

A tactical and strategic airlifter, the C-17 can land combat-ready troops in remote locations or airdrop them directly where needed. The C-17's ability to back up allows it to operate on narrow taxiways and congested ramps. With a maximum payload of 164,900 pounds (74,797 kg), the C-17 can take off and land in 3,000 feet (914.4 m) or less.

Boeing has delivered 232 C-17s worldwide, including 22 with international customers. The U.S. Air Force - including active National Guard and Reserve units - has taken delivery of 210 C-17s. Other customers include the United Kingdom's Royal Air Force, the Qatar Emiri Air Force, the Canadian Forces, the Royal Australian Air Force, the 12-member Strategic Airlift Capability initiative of NATO and Partnership for Peace nations, and the United Arab Emirates Air Force and Air Defence.

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you forgot C-130J and existing An32's(shall be retired then) and IL-76's :D

we need more MTA's in that case; around 200 - 250
Even the IL-76s will retire after some time, that's the reason we are concentrating on the MTA and the C-17s, C-130J.
 

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India signs deal with US to procure 10 C-17 aircraft

NEW DELHI: India has signed its biggest defence deal with the US to procure ten C-17 heavy-lift aircraft for $4.1 billion under which American defence major Boeing will set up test facilities for hi-tech aeronautics engines for the DRDO.

The project to procure the ten strategic heavy-lift aircraft was cleared by the Cabinet Committee on Security last week through the Foreign Military Sales route.

"India yesterday signed the letter for offer and acceptance with the US for 10 C-17s and associated equipment at a cost of $4.1 billion and the aircraft delivery would be done in 2013 and 2014," Defence ministry officials said.

Commenting on the development, Boeing's India head Dinesh Keskar said, "With its strategic capabilities, the C-17 fulfills India's needs for military and humanitarian airlift. The important transaction reaffirms our close relationship of several decades with India and also highlights our commitment to the strategic partnership between the two countries."

As per the agreement, the US defence major will invest 30% of the contract amount for setting up defence facilities in India, officials said.

The procurement involves offsets clause, under which a vendor bagging a defence deal worth over Rs 300 crore has to reinvest at least 30% of the deal amount in Indian defence, homeland security or civilian aerospace sectors.

Under the offsets, Boeing will establish a High Altitude Engine Test Facility at DRDO, which will allow the research organisation to test engines indigenously, officials said.
 

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Indian C-17 Deal Extends Production


Indian C-17 Deal Extends Production | AVIATION WEEK


PHILADELPHIA and NEW DELHI — The Indian cabinet's decision to proceed with a U.S. foreign military sale purchase of 10 C-17s should stretch the California-based Boeing production line until 2014.

The exact timeline will be dictated by the delivery schedule included in the yet-to-be-signed letter of agreement between the Indian government and the U.S. The 10 aircraft are expected to be delivered in two batches — five aircraft one year and five more the next.

Jean Chamberlin, vice president of mobility systems for Boeing, says the deal will likely keep the line open until 2014, although the company is looking for additional international orders to stretch production.

Boeing is in the process of reducing output to 10 aircraft a month from a rate of 13 while keeping the airlifter's price constant. The move is aimed at stretching out the production line to buy time to capture additional orders. The rate reduction should be achieved in the third quarter.

A further decrease is not possible, however, Chamberlin says, noting that a rate study looked at having output drop to six or eight aircraft a year, but that would have triggered a noticeable cost increase to the airlifter.

The C-17s will be India's biggest defense deal with the U.S. after New Delhi shut out Boeing and Lockheed Martin from an $11 billion fighter jet project for the Indian Air Force (IAF) in late April.

India is likely to opt for an additional six C-17s after the contract is signed for the first lot of 10 aircraft as the IAF is keen on increasing its heavy-lift capability, says a senior Indian defense ministry official.

Boeing, which also is in contention for IAF's requirement for 22 attack helicopters and another 15 heavy-lift helicopters, expressed satisfaction with the India government's decision.

The U.S. administration has been promoting the sale of C-17s to India since the visit of President Barack Obama to New Delhi last November.

The final contract is expected to be signed within a couple of months after India issues the letter of acceptance to the U.S. government. The contract entails an offset clause under which Boeing will reinvest nearly $1 billion back in the Indian defense, internal security, aviation and related training sectors.

The C-17 is capable of carrying a payload of 164,900 lb. and can take off from a 7,000-ft. airstrip. The four-engine aircraft can transport tanks and combat-ready troops over 2,400 nm. "Once this over $4 billion sale is finalized, the economic impact will be felt by 30,000 American workers and 650 American suppliers located in 44 states," U.S. Ambassador to India Timothy Roemer had said in anticipation of the deal's approval.

According to the Indian air force, the C-17 would significantly augment India's military airlift and humanitarian/disaster relief capability over large distances.

Currently, the IAF has about a dozen Russian Il-76 "Gajraj" aircraft, with its medium-lift fleet comprising 104 Russian An-32s.

In a bid to modernize its military, India is likely to buy arms worth $120 billion between 2012 and 2017 as it seeks to overhaul its defense capabilities, according to a 2010 estimate by the Confederation of Indian Industry and Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu India.
 

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Gentlemen,

India expects to get the first lot of 10 C-17's by 2014, and another 14 hopefully in the next two years. So with a span of 4 years, we will have 24 C-17's. At the same time we will have another 18 IL-76's. That is a formidable lift capability increase of nearly 3-4 times of the current IAF capacity in 4 years. This is a true answer to China, I expect the IL-76's to retire from 2020 towards 2025, I am certain IAF will order at the minimum another 24 C-17's or more. We have just Tripled or Quadrupled our strategic lift capacity bringing the total number of C-17's in the Indian inventory to about 46, I just hope India orders whatever it has to, before the C-17 line closes, not be in the same predicament as the earlier MMRCA situation with regard to Mirage 2000 line

Congrats India Congrats IAF!

Glory to Bharat !
 

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Did I miss something about C-17 orders? I though it was 10+6 on option.
 

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IL-76's can serve even longer. They will go under upgrade after sometime once replacements are active.
 

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Apart from addition of C 17's and the C 130's, and parallel up gradation of AN 32's along with possible extension for IL 76's. And coming MRTA. The transport fleet is taken care of. Now is the time to concentrate on tankers, hope IAF goes along with A 300's here. Preferably 20 in batches.
 

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