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she is saying USA wanted china to grow
Really?
By imposing the most strict technology control in the world since 1989?

and helped china quite a bit.
"Help"?
If you call moving factories to China as "Help", then I can also say that China help US quite a bit by exporting super cheap goods to help US control the inflation rate and keep her citizens' living standard without raising real salaries for almost 20 years.

No, US didn't "help" China. For whatever they send to China, China paid it.
And NO, US didn't want China to rise. They wanted to make more money and get something cheaper. China, at the time, happened to be the place can maximize the return of their hope.

The rise of China is simply the by-effect of their strategy.
 
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It is time to call out bluff on this nonsense that West/America is invested in India’s rise. Or to put it more palatably as DC think tankers do ‘America wants India to rise and be successful because why wouldn’t they’. Let’s analyze this in detail.

Which countries has America ‘allowed’ to rise? China?Because they love Chinese? No.Because at one point they thought it was in their interest to send all manufacturing along with pollutants to China so that little Jack and Little Jill in Montana and Nebraska can breathe clean air

Of course China was allowed in WTO. Of course China was given a free pass on ‘human rights’ as defined by the US. Of course China was a friend. Well that lasted till the dragon actually started breathing fire and then America did not know what to do.

No DC think tank will write what a disaster it was to allow China to rise even when China never gave up on economic imperialism/acquisition of territory.Besides when China was allowed to rise & was a direct threat to India why did we not read about strengthening Indian democracy

So it is time to reject the BS that America has altruistic interests in any Country’s rise.Of course it doesn’t. And why should it?Foreign Policy is governed by national interests. Charity has no place in Foreign Policy. I mean it does but again if motivated by national interests

So coming back to the original question. Which countries has America ‘allowed’ to rise? Or let’s keep DC circuit happy- Rise of which countries has been ‘facilitated’ by America? :) The answer is - Either American military outposts or Larger market for America’s goods.Fair enough

India is an anomaly for America.Even when India was not as stable politically or economically,it refused to be America’s military outpost.And as far as economic cooperation is concerned, India (that was colonized by a trading company)has been cautious & has asked for reciprocity

Of course America does not like this. They want India to fall in ‘ally or enemy’ trap. India steadfastly has refused. America cannot dismiss India because well India is too big to be ignored and India now is a rising economic superpower.

So what can America do now to bully India into submission? Their familiar trope of being the vanguards of democracy and human rights. Remember America was exporting democracy to Middle East? What happened to that? Well.. Never mind :)

So the point here is America may perhaps want to facilitate India’s rise, but at what cost to India? India will rise because her people are fueled by ambition and desire to rise. India will also rise because it has a vibrant democracy that has all the safeguards built in.

It is in America’s interest to reach out to India as much as it is in India’s interests to cooperate with America. Net Net America is a positive force in the world. But this relation has to be of equals.This game of good cop, bad cop where DC think tankers are bad cops is amusing

India is equally worried of health of American democracy given the race riots and Capitol insurrection. But India trusts American institutions. As a fellow democratic nation, America should learn to trust India’s institutions and Indian people who have the power of vote.

Let this be a relationship of mutual respect and trust. It is okay to play games with your allies and enemies but with a vibrant and civilizational democracy like India, America should reset her Foreign Policy paradigm. Good for the US, India and rest of the planet - End.

Exemplary/100 . Thanks for sharing.
 

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Not necessarily. Tech support and transfers after Sino Soviet split were always a free support and rise of China wasn't possible without that.
There was no such "free support".

Every single "Tech support and transfer" whatever you call it was paid with amount more than the market price (because the restriction law wasn't terminated at all, so Chinese had been required to pay extra money so the western companies can "avoid" the law).

And this "free support" wasn't only paid by economic benefit but also political and military benefit: China became a de facto ally of US against USSR and over 70 PLA divisions were deployed to hold 30-40 Soviet divisions in the east front when Russians desperately needed them in Europe.

Furthermore, the rise of China wasn't the result of "tech support and transfer" from US or West before 1990: 1. They preferred selling equipment not technologies; 2. They made sure the technologies transferred must be 2 generations behind.
In fact, the rise of China was the result of manufacturing base transferred from South Eastern Asia in 1990s.
 
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Attacks on Asians have tremendously increased under Biden & democrats.

the racist and compromised liberal US media is not talking about how scores of Asians are being brutally attacked and killed under Biden.

I guess these racist fuks are ok if Asians die since it's their fav liberal Biden is the president now.
 
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Attacks on Asians have tremendously increased under Biden & democrats.

the racist and compromised liberal US media is not talking about how scores of Asians are being brutally attacked and killed under Biden.

I guess these racist fuks are ok if Asians die since it's their fav liberal Biden is the president now.
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China has set up a human rights council exclusively dedicated to hearing human rights violations happening in decaying west.

Now is the time that BHARAT should start something like that and set up a panel to hear those americans whose rights have been violated. Bharat should offer scholarships to families whose siblings are killed by the white trash police and invite them to come to Bharat and speak about the atrocities being committed on them by the amreekan government, just like they sponsors manwhores to badmouth us.

See - http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2016-04/14/c_135278381.htm
 

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US India Relations | U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin arrives in India | Live Stream

- Our Protocol officers thought they were gonna get elbow bump from Lloyd..
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-Lady in white coat got sassy aggressive at Indian cameraman.. naughty naughty..

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Perhaps it will take a few more centuries for muricans to learn some manners.
 
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Bull.. Bill Maher was one of the early media people who started promoting china in U.S mainstream media, he started supporting china atleast 2 decades back.
Unaware of his previous stance. Just taking his present one.
 

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Not necessarily. Tech support and transfers after Sino Soviet split were always a free support and rise of China wasn't possible without that.
Finally a sensible decision suddenly after the exit of trump india has understood the situation at hand.

Due to Russia's heavy dependence on china and America's renewed attacks on russia they have lost the appetite to entertain any sort of Indian moves towards the US.

Russia keeping us away from afghanistan tilting heavily towards china and getting closer to pakistan and iran is less due to us but more due to the fact that they don't have much of a choice.

Now all this would have been fine if US was turning out to be a good ally instead what we are witnessing is a series of attacks by american institutions who don't want to make the same mistake they did before that is help us grow and prosper as a counterbalance to china.

They are trying to strong arm us extract their pound of flesh while keeping us under check.

India needs to keep russia close so as to not get isolated in our neighborhood and maintain a certain amount of balance and bargaining position.
 

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Oh god. You MUST watch this. Bill Maher is probably the only late night host on the right-wing spectrum.
Drop Right- left stupid spectrum becuz it is made up for people who can't grasp how the world works to feel as if they can explain the happenings taking place.

Bill Maher is just using his brain and trying to put together the pieces of clues after percieving the world around him and trying to propose atleast an incomplete workable grand strategy so that America can atleast have a chance against china,right now it only has a short distance of lead in this race.
 

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Drop Right- left stupid spectrum becuz it is made up for people who can't grasp how the world works to feel as if they can explain the happenings taking place.

Bill Maher is just using his brain and trying to put together the pieces of clues after percieving the world around him and trying to propose atleast an incomplete workable grand strategy so that America can atleast have a chance against china,right now it only has a short distance of lead in this race.
He is doing this because the political sub faction he is part of will not fare so good as they are now and their influence will plummet in the new world order if any other power rises as they will have no use for these types of media,cultural elite types.he is just not such a big idiot NPC enough like the others and wants to signal to others even his hated other political factions in the nationalists and patriots to do something so that ultimately his faction still have some opinion power in the world order.

Think of it .if usa falls 85 to 90 percent of all liberal power also falls as it is their home base.the irony is that it is the militant children of liberals of decades past such as the militant progressive types,the sjw types that are against america .in other words the sjw types are hurting the very country that inadvertently helps in spreading their message and memes.i am happy with america losing power.i would love a more authoritarian world that we can be big boys in.
 
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