Britain may sell its Aircraft Carrier to India

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Ppgj, it has already been said that if the deal goes through they will make it a ski jump with arrestor cables.
if it turns to Ski jump, what aircraft can it operate?
other then Mi-29k or N-lca.
any chance of western fighters on the deck?
 

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if it turns to Ski jump, what aircraft can it operate?
other then Mi-29k or N-lca.
any chance of western fighters on the deck?
that's the only two option right now. But because of its future proof design, if at all we want, we can get cats installed if the navy wants. Thwarted super hornet being the prime contender.
 

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u r right.
it would be definatly a rumrour as they could not sell HMS Invincible for $1Mn, how could they sell HMS QE for $2Bn?
 

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if it turns to Ski jump, what aircraft can it operate?
other then Mi-29k or N-lca.
any chance of western fighters on the deck?
The queen Elizabeth class shares the design with the French porte avions 2; this French carrier is designed to be a CATOBAR at a higher displacement of 70-75000 tonnes, if we buy the second carrier ther is no reason why BAe cannot modify the design to suit our needs seeing that they are doing the same with the French

By the way the French QE will have rafales as it's air group.
 

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News reports were carried in all major british newspapers. So lets give the benefit of the doubt. Also we have not got any denial from either the MoD of britain or india/IN if such a move is on the cards or not.
 

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Have IN dumped the plan to construct IAC-2? Unless this happens, IN will never go for this ship which is in dimension and capability almost identical to proposed IAC-2. So, IMO, this news is just another hot gas, just like USS Kitty Hawk. Ufff!!! Suffocation all around.
 

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IAC 2 is a repeat of IAC 1. Only the 3rd one is planned to be a super carrier with all the talks of being nuke powered.
 

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IAC-2 is not exactly IAC-1. It is supposed to be a +66,000 ton carrier. Ski jump or catapult, well, this is something which is under discussion and depends on many things.
 

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Have IN dumped the plan to construct IAC-2? Unless this happens, IN will never go for this ship which is in dimension and capability almost identical to proposed IAC-2. So, IMO, this news is just another hot gas, just like USS Kitty Hawk. Ufff!!! Suffocation all around.
the second indigenous carrier is going to be based on the same design as the first ship, it is only the third that is slated to become a super carrier. however please remember that building a super carrier is far more difficult than building a regular carrier the level of logistics involved are completely different(this does not exist at the moment). buying the QE class will give the IN a head start to learn about large carrier operations.
 
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so far all the big arms exporters have been content with Indian buys:
USA-Poseidons,Hawkeye,Patriot??
Russia-T90,IL-76,PAKFA,Brahmos,Gorshokov
Israel-AWACS-Phalcon,Barak

but the British and French (except Scorpene??)have been left out of this bonanza what better way to get a piece of it then by waving a carrot of the QE with Rafaele or Eurofighter ??
 

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LF, just wait and see when this hot gas diffuses. IN will never buy this costly ship when they can surely built one with little or more consultancy.
 
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LF, just wait and see when this hot gas diffuses. IN will never buy this costly ship when they can surely built one with little or more consultancy.
it all depends on the urgency for us to become a blue water navy, if we can wait then we don't need to buy, people were criticizing the price of the gorshokov but this is even more outrageous.
 

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It is proposed to come by 2022. Well, by then IN will be having two in service and one about to be commissioned. So i see no vacancy for any carrier and certainly not for this kind........
 

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Correct me if I am wrong but last year IN officers were on French carrier for getting trained on nuclear propulsion for large ships like carriers so IN is not so naive about large ships :)
 

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the second indigenous carrier is going to be based on the same design as the first ship, it is only the third that is slated to become a super carrier. however please remember that building a super carrier is far more difficult than building a regular carrier the level of logistics involved are completely different(this does not exist at the moment). buying the QE class will give the IN a head start to learn about large carrier operations.
I don't know what exactly means "a super carrier". But, going by tonnage, IAC-2 will be in same class with QE. Yes, it may be thousand times difficult but we must not forget that by that time, we will be having much if not sufficient in terms of database, experience and manpower. And, i don't feel like, we necessarily need something exactly in same class to develop something similar. We can do by self and if and when needed builders can always take help. I think by this way we will be at huge cost saving and huge expertise gain. A all win situation.
 

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Correct me if I am wrong but last year IN officers were on French carrier for getting trained on nuclear propulsion for large ships like carriers so IN is not so naive about large ships :)
Once nuclear propulsion of INS Arihant is proved. Then it will be just a matter of time when IN sees and construct a nuclear powered so called super carrier. God willing, we may have navel MCA available by then.
 

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India eyes unbuilt British carrier

India eyes unbuilt British carrier

NEW DELHI, Nov. 19 (UPI) -- As India's only aircraft carrier reaches the age of 50, there are reports the country is considering buying a yet-to-be-built British carrier.

The unconfirmed reports of a British purchase come as the military is losing patience waiting for its second aircraft carrier, the Admiral Gorshkov, to arrive from Russia now in 2012.

The Indian navy's sole carrier INS Viraat with its crew of 1,500 completed 50 years in service this week, according to a report by the Indo-Asian News Service.

Navy chief Adm. Nirmal Verma was in Mumbai port, formerly Bombay, visiting the 28,000-ton vessel that has just undergone an extensive refit at the Cochin Shipyard, according to a navy official. The refit increased the aircraft carrier's life until 2015.

Upgrades were done to fire control equipment, navigation radars, improved nuclear, biological and chemical protection and deck landing aids.

The INS Viraat operates up to 18 Sea Harrier combat jets and supports amphibious operations and anti-submarine warfare. It gives the Indian navy an edge over the Chinese navy, which does not have a carrier, the official is quoted as saying.

The Centaur-class carrier was originally commissioned in the British Royal Navy as HMS Hermes on Nov. 18, 1959. The Indian navy acquired it in 1987 and is now again turning to the Royal Navy, according to a report in the London-based Sunday newspaper The Observer.

One of two $3.36 billion aircraft carriers, still on the drawing board, could be sold off under cost-cutting plans being considered by the U.K. Ministry of Defense and likely to be laid out in a major defense review early next year.

The British carrier program has already been delayed by two years. BAE Systems began work in July on HMS Queen Elizabeth, due to come into service in 2016, and preparatory work on the Prince of Wales, due for launch in 2018, has also started.

The two carriers will replace Britain's three aging Invincible-class carriers, and are three times their size. Of the three Invincible-class vessels, HMS Illustrious and HMS Ark Royal are in operation. HMS Invincible has been decommissioned but is in reserve until next year.

Last summer British Prime Minister Gordon Brown and French President Nicolas Sarkozy talked briefly about the possibility of sharing maintenance and refit contracts for their aircraft carriers.

Meanwhile, India has lodged a firm expression of interest for one of the 65,000-ton ships, the Observer said it has learned.

The Observer report comes as a 40-member Russian delegation arrives in India this week to thrash out a likely price hike for refurbishment of the aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov.

Both sides have "dug in their heels" on what they are willing to settle for, according to Indian media reports.

The Russians want $2.9 billion for the work on the 45,000-ton Kiev-class Gorshkov, set to be commissioned in the Indian navy as INS Vikramditya, originally in 2008.

India is willing to pay $2.1 billion for the work.

"What will matter now is who blinks first," a senior Indian navy official told the Indo-Asian News Service.

Delivery for the aircraft carrier is now set for 2012, and India has released about $650 million so far for the refit that is under way at the Sevmash shipyard on Russia's arctic coast.

An agreement between the two countries in 2004 said the vessel was "gifted as free," but India had to pay $974 million for upgrades. That figure shot up in 2007 when the Russians said they miscalculated what it would take for the work. Another $700 million was recently added to cover extended sea trials that are now expected to be needed.

India eyes unbuilt British carrier - UPI.com
 

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$2.1 billion is more than fair for Gorshkov. They screwed up and should have to eat the cost. Sevmash can consider it the first lesson in carrier cost reduction if they ever hope to build carriers from the ground up. They have to learn sometime.

That quoted price of $3.36b for Prince Edward is bollocks, it is more like twice that. I guess those at UPI don't know what a £ is worth?
 

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$2.1 billion is more than fair for Gorshkov. They screwed up and should have to eat the cost. Sevmash can consider it the first lesson in carrier cost reduction if they ever hope to build carriers from the ground up. They have to learn sometime.

That quoted price of $3.36b for Prince Edward is bollocks, it is more like twice that. I guess those at UPI don't know what a £ is worth?

Sevmash must also understand that IN is defying public opinion, media embarrassment and govt. critics to go all the way to make this deal mutually agreeable to both sides. The faster they deliver the carrier, better will the Indian people feel about Russia. The same Indian media who criticize this deal will quote, "The deal was worth the wait".

Who is UPI btw?
 

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