Brazilian Tiger II (F-5) crashes

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Brazilian Tiger II crashes
Victor Barreira, Lisbon - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly

http://www.janes.com/article/80330/brazilian-tiger-ii-crashes

A Northrop F-5FM Tiger II combat aircraft of Brazilian Air Force’s (FAB) 1st Fighter Group crashed on 24 May, moments after taking off from its homebase in Rio de Janeiro for a combat training mission.

Both crew members ejected and were rescued. An investigation has been launched by the Center for Investigation and Prevention of Aviation Accidents.




Brazilian F-5 fighter crashes near Rio, pilots eject

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...r-crashes-near-rio-pilots-eject-idUSKCN1IP20P


RIO DE JANEIRO (Reuters) - A Brazilian Air Force F-5 fighter jet crashed in the Rio de Janeiro metropolitan area shortly after takeoff on Thursday, but the two pilots ejected before the aircraft plummeted into a field, the Air Force said.

The refurbished fighter ran into trouble shortly after departing the Santa Cruz Air Force base west of Rio de Janeiro on a training flight, according to an Air Force statement. It said the jet crashed in an uninhabited area and no one was hurt on the ground.


The pilot and co-pilot of the twin-jet fighter were picked up and taken to the hospital for exams, as investigators inspected the crash site to find out what caused the accident, the Air Force said on Twitter.


The F-5 built by Northrop was first designed for use by the United States in the Korean war in the mid-1950s to face Russian Mig-15s. Brazil bought around 60 of the fighters in the 1970s and 1980s.


The refurbished F-5s have been the mainstay of the Brazilian Air Force since it retired its Mirage 2000s in 2013. It has been awaiting delivery of 36 Gripens from Sweden’s Saab AB.

Reporting by Rodrigo Viga Gaier; Writing and additional reporting by Anthony Boadle; Editing by Chizu Nomiyama and David Gregorio
 

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It's good thing that pilots are safe. Brazil needs to get its act together.

If you don't act in time, like India you too will be seeing quite a lot of "widowmakers", "flying coffins" etc. in your newspaper headlines.
 

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Wtf they still fly F5 tigers? Its contemporary of F104s and Mig 15:crazy:
Its a contemporary of the Mig 21 and F4. So its the same as us still having Mig 21's. It wasn't inducted by the USAF as a fighter because they wanted something bigger with more range (f4). But it was a very good dogfighter for its time, and had the USAF used it in Vietnam, they might not have faced such abysmal results against the Mig 21.
 

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Yes, Brazil do not have modern jet fighters.

We are buying 30 Swedish "Gripens" jets, but have not yet been delivered.
Given Brazil's economic size, it is very surprising that you guys don't have modern 4th gen fighters yet. Where does most of your military budget go?
 

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Here in Brazil, since 1985, there has been a steady reduction in military expenditures, inspired largely by geoeconomic notions that understand that military spending hampers the economy. The conditions of the Brazilian military are deplorable.
Politically, it is very difficult for any candidate to propose any effective change in this, since both the left-wing political spectrum and the Social Democrats and even a part of the right-wing are against the idea of Brazil becoming a military power. It is a broken and groveling pacifism.
Nationalist ideas here are seen as "extreme right", dictatorship, etc ... And there is no hope for the short term.
 

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Here in Brazil, since 1985, there has been a steady reduction in military expenditures, inspired largely by geoeconomic notions that understand that military spending hampers the economy. The conditions of the Brazilian military are deplorable.
Politically, it is very difficult for any candidate to propose any effective change in this, since both the left-wing political spectrum and the Social Democrats and even a part of the right-wing are against the idea of Brazil becoming a military power. It is a broken and groveling pacifism.
Nationalist ideas here are seen as "extreme right", dictatorship, etc ... And there is no hope for the short term.
Well, it's a good thing that you don't have any serious enemies. But you can never predict what the world will be like in the future. There may be a situation when Brazil will want a strong Air force and Navy. And it can be done with only 1.5% of GDP, but it takes years to build up these forces, so its better Brazil start right now.
 

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Brazil has done extremely well in aviation sector and covered the basics with KC-930 and Super Tucano. Embraer is competing with the best in the world.
Brazil also has the short range air to air missile Piranha.
Our aviation sector is lacking. While we are focussed on fighter jets, there is nothing in the civilian front - which means our ability to innovate and compete in aviation front will be difficult.
 

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Yes, Brazil do not have modern jet fighters.

We are buying 30 Swedish "Gripens" jets, but have not yet been delivered.
Brazil has a mature aviation industry even we buy Embraer aircraft form it and Super tucanos will soon be finding role as close air support aircraft with some nations air forces so its surprising for me that you guys still dont have modern fighters. But I think you guys do not face threats from any nation either.
 

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Well, it's a good thing that you don't have any serious enemies. But you can never predict what the world will be like in the future. There may be a situation when Brazil will want a strong Air force and Navy. And it can be done with only 1.5% of GDP, but it takes years to build up these forces, so its better Brazil start right now.
Brazil is quite a big country and also very far off from most conflict zones or major powers. Only US can be a threat , but i am pretty sure the biggest danger for brazil would be from inside, drug traders and cartels. They have completely different set of problems. I only hope that islamic extremism doesnt reach its shores.
 

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Brazil has a mature aviation industry even we buy Embraer aircraft form it and Super tucanos will soon be finding role as close air support aircraft with some nations air forces so its surprising for me that you guys still dont have modern fighters. But I think you guys do not face threats from any nation either.
Dear "The Ultranationalist"

You are absolutely right. We have never had an outward threat. The last time we experienced real threats was during World War II, when submarines of Nazi Germany sank dozens of Brazilian merchant ships. Brazil was the only country in Latin America that fought in the Second War alongside the allies.

However, the most damaging of Brazilian war development is the academic and media mentality that hates anything related to militarism. Maybe because, rightly, we do not have a real threat. However, as one colleague has pointed out above, we can not wait for the threat to appear so that we can begin to think about the problem.
 

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Brazil is quite a big country and also very far off from most conflict zones or major powers. Only US can be a threat , but i am pretty sure the biggest danger for brazil would be from inside, drug traders and cartels. They have completely different set of problems. I only hope that islamic extremism doesnt reach its shores.
Dear Illusive,

You are absolutely right. Today, our biggest enemies are drug trafficking and urban violence. However, in my humble interpretation, this is due to the fact that Brazil is de-industrializing (a fact that is directly related to the abandonment of a good military policy and of its own military development). There is a lot of unemployment and a culture that preaches violence and banditry (influenced by globalism). I also believe that the current war against Brazilian traditional values (family, religion, etc.) has contributed to our social disgrace. In this, much of the political left-wing and the media are hand in hand.
 

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Dear "The Ultranationalist"

You are absolutely right. We have never had an outward threat. The last time we experienced real threats was during World War II, when submarines of Nazi Germany sank dozens of Brazilian merchant ships. Brazil was the only country in Latin America that fought in the Second War alongside the allies.

However, the most damaging of Brazilian war development is the academic and media mentality that hates anything related to militarism. Maybe because, rightly, we do not have a real threat. However, as one colleague has pointed out above, we can not wait for the threat to appear so that we can begin to think about the problem.
Overall, where does Brazil see itself in the world? Does it aim to become a major global power? Or at least be able to carry more heft in the international order?
 

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Until 1985, Brazil had one of the most profitable geopolitical schools. However, after the Military Regime (from 1985 until the present day), Brazil stopped thinking of itself as a power. We had a very clear vision that we would be the "hegemon" in South America and the South Atlantic. Today there are still researchers and proponents of these ideas, but no government really does. The current discourse is that of economic integration with the Mercosur countries. It was restricted to the economic area.
Apart from that, Brazil is a signatory of most international treaties and fully complies with its obligations to the international order and international law.
We are building our first nuclear submarine, but this is still very modest in view of our geographic projection.
 

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