BrahMos Cruise Missile

[tsunami]

it is a hypersonic missile what is different??

Difference is in altitude.... Cruise missile travels at lower altitude and Ballistic missile travels at high altitude.
Agni-5 can achive speed of mach 25. But it's altitude is 100s of KMs. So it can be detected from very long distances and enemy get some time to intercept.

Cruise missile on other hand travel at low altitude to avoid early detection, making it impossible to intercept.
Shaurya is a kind of quasi ballistic. It's altitude is not as high as Agni series but higher compare to Cruise missile.

However most hypersonic cruise missiles also can not achieve altitude as low as sub-sonic missiles.

 

[ClawReed787]

Difference is in altitude.... Cruise missile travels at lower altitude and Ballistic missile travels at high altitude.
Agni-5 can achive speed of mach 25. But it's altitude is 100s of KMs. So it can be detected from very long distances and enemy get some time to intercept.

Cruise missile on other hand travel at low altitude to avoid early detection, making it impossible to intercept.
Shaurya is a kind of quasi ballistic. It's altitude is not as high as Agni series but higher compare to Cruise missile.

However most hypersonic cruise missiles also can not achieve altitude as low as sub-sonic missiles.

US is going to be the first to field a true hypersonic cruise missile.

 

[Immanuel]

US is going to be the first to field a true hypersonic cruise missile.

Russians already have it, it's fielded already, Zircon is a cruise missile that has already demonstrated mach 8+ speeds.

Brahmos Mk-2 will probably get tech from Zircon.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Difference is in altitude.... Cruise missile travels at lower altitude and Ballistic missile travels at high altitude.
Agni-5 can achive speed of mach 25. But it's altitude is 100s of KMs. So it can be detected from very long distances and enemy get some time to intercept.

Cruise missile on other hand travel at low altitude to avoid early detection, making it impossible to intercept.
Shaurya is a kind of quasi ballistic. It's altitude is not as high as Agni series but higher compare to Cruise missile.

However most hypersonic cruise missiles also can not achieve altitude as low as sub-sonic missiles.

shaurya details have never been revealed it is a hybrid cruise missile/ballistic missile.
Almost all ballistic missiles ( IRBM,ICBM'S) are hypersonic. Almost all follow a similar trajectory.

However most hypersonic cruise missiles also can not achieve altitude as low as sub-sonic missiles.

This is why i always laugh when people say we should be putting brahmos cruise missile on chinese border. AIr
launched brahmos would be better.

 

[jai jaganath]

Russians already have it, it's fielded already, Zircon is a cruise missile that has already demonstrated mach 8+ speeds.

Brahmos Mk-2 will probably get tech from Zircon.

No mostly from hstdv

 

[Immanuel]

No mostly from hstdv

I doubt that, Brahmos mk-2 is in dev with Russia, so most likely will have Russian scramjet tech

 

[no smoking]

it is a hypersonic missile what is different??

From speed, they are all above the minimum hypersonic speed.
But ballistic missile is flying in a typical parabola trajectory, only perform limited maneuver in parts of stages. But, overall, it is still a parabola trajectory.
The hypersonic missile we are talking about is supposed to be able to change its trajectory greatly like any cruise missile today.

 

[_merlin_]

I doubt that, Brahmos mk-2 is in dev with Russia, so most likely will have Russian scramjet tech

Which is likely to be extortionately expensive and hence we also will have HSTDV. You know, just to keep everyone honest.

 

[Immanuel]

Which is likely to be extortionately expensive and hence we also will have HSTDV. You know, just to keep everyone honest.

HSTDV has it's place and I hope they develop next gen attack abilities with it. I was speaking more about Brahmos Mk-2

 

[WolfPack86]

BRAHMOS SUPERSONIC CRUISE MISSILE COULD GET A BOOST IN RANGE TO 1000KM
NEW DELHI: The PJ-10, better known as the BrahMos, could benefit from a Russian upgrade, almost doubling its range. Currently, according to official data, the stealth missile has a maximum range of around 500 km. According to claims from 2017, the naval version of the missile reached a range of 800 km. However, it was reported at the time that BrahMos was about to reach 800 km, but there is no word yet on whether this range has been achieved or reached.


Russia is preparing to increase the range of its P-800 Onyx (SS-NX-26) missile to 1,000 km. BrahMos is based precisely on the Onyx missile. One version of the Onyx missiles, the Onyx-M has a range of 800 km. The Onyx is also ramjet-powered, taking its origins from another Cold War-era Russian missile development, the P-700 Granit.

BrahMos emerged as an investment of the Indian Ministry of Defence. New Delhi decided to help finance the $240 million P-800 Onyx project, which at the time had stalled in funding, leaving Moscow in a desperate position. By investing in the Russian missile, India gained access to the Onyx inertial navigation system, which today underpins BrahMos.

The BrahMos’ 500km range has been achieved through changes such as higher altitude cruising and better fuel management. The announced range in 2017 of 800 km should have been achieved by optimizing the cruise performance of the rocket’s linear jet engine. According to sources in India, who claim that despite the lack of an official announcement, the 800 km range has been achieved, say that a key role in increasing the range is played by the use of composite materials. Through them, the Indians reduced the weight of the rocket by increasing the fuel load.

Mach 4.5

If India takes advantage of the Onyx update and upgrades the BrahMos to 1,000 km, it could mean that the top speed is also about to be increased. As early as three years ago, there was talk of a similar option. At the time, Alexander Maksichev, co-managing director of the BrahMos project, said that from Mach 2.8, the speed of BrahMos could reach Mach 4.5. I.e. according to sources, this means a BrahMos ramjet upgrade. Thus, as the speed of the rocket increases, it is expected to travel at a greater speed.

The Russian press has reported an upcoming update to the P-800 Onyx missile but has not said when. That upgrade may not happen anytime soon, given the war between Russia and Ukraine, which is draining Moscow’s considerable financial resources. However, sources say India will benefit from the revamp, regardless of when it happens. This means that in the coming years BrahMos will have a range of 1,000 or just over 1,000 km. On another note, India may already be working on extending the missile’s range beyond its dependence on Russia in this area.

BrahMos Supersonic Cruise Missile Could Get A Boost In Range To 1000Km

NEW DELHI: The PJ-10, better known as the BrahMos, could benefit from a Russian upgrade, almost doubling its range. Currently, according to...

www.indiandefensenews.in

 

[SilentlAssassin265]

BRAHMOS SUPERSONIC CRUISE MISSILE COULD GET A BOOST IN RANGE TO 1000KM
NEW DELHI: The PJ-10, better known as the BrahMos, could benefit from a Russian upgrade, almost doubling its range. Currently, according to official data, the stealth missile has a maximum range of around 500 km. According to claims from 2017, the naval version of the missile reached a range of 800 km. However, it was reported at the time that BrahMos was about to reach 800 km, but there is no word yet on whether this range has been achieved or reached.


Russia is preparing to increase the range of its P-800 Onyx (SS-NX-26) missile to 1,000 km. BrahMos is based precisely on the Onyx missile. One version of the Onyx missiles, the Onyx-M has a range of 800 km. The Onyx is also ramjet-powered, taking its origins from another Cold War-era Russian missile development, the P-700 Granit.

BrahMos emerged as an investment of the Indian Ministry of Defence. New Delhi decided to help finance the $240 million P-800 Onyx project, which at the time had stalled in funding, leaving Moscow in a desperate position. By investing in the Russian missile, India gained access to the Onyx inertial navigation system, which today underpins BrahMos.

The BrahMos’ 500km range has been achieved through changes such as higher altitude cruising and better fuel management. The announced range in 2017 of 800 km should have been achieved by optimizing the cruise performance of the rocket’s linear jet engine. According to sources in India, who claim that despite the lack of an official announcement, the 800 km range has been achieved, say that a key role in increasing the range is played by the use of composite materials. Through them, the Indians reduced the weight of the rocket by increasing the fuel load.

Mach 4.5

If India takes advantage of the Onyx update and upgrades the BrahMos to 1,000 km, it could mean that the top speed is also about to be increased. As early as three years ago, there was talk of a similar option. At the time, Alexander Maksichev, co-managing director of the BrahMos project, said that from Mach 2.8, the speed of BrahMos could reach Mach 4.5. I.e. according to sources, this means a BrahMos ramjet upgrade. Thus, as the speed of the rocket increases, it is expected to travel at a greater speed.

The Russian press has reported an upcoming update to the P-800 Onyx missile but has not said when. That upgrade may not happen anytime soon, given the war between Russia and Ukraine, which is draining Moscow’s considerable financial resources. However, sources say India will benefit from the revamp, regardless of when it happens. This means that in the coming years BrahMos will have a range of 1,000 or just over 1,000 km. On another note, India may already be working on extending the missile’s range beyond its dependence on Russia in this area.

BrahMos Supersonic Cruise Missile Could Get A Boost In Range To 1000Km

NEW DELHI: The PJ-10, better known as the BrahMos, could benefit from a Russian upgrade, almost doubling its range. Currently, according to...

www.indiandefensenews.in

We barely got 600km upgrade, 1000km is a distant dream

 

[skdking]

A recent news article claimed that India does not have tactical nukes that can be mounted on Brahmos. Is it true?

Though Brahmos is not an area weapon, we should be able to mount small tactical nuclear weapons on it if we wanted to.

Don't we have this small nuclear weapon?

Is Prithvi our smallest range/size nuclear-capable missile?

 

[Chinmoy]

A recent news article claimed that India does not have tactical nukes that can be mounted on Brahmos. Is it true?

Though Brahmos is not an area weapon, we should be able to mount small tactical nuclear weapons on it if we wanted to.

Don't we have this small nuclear weapon?

Is Prithvi our smallest range/size nuclear-capable missile?

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Yes. Long back I stated that Brahmos is not Nuke capable. We have never tested any tactical nukes. But our media is as same as Pakis who have to put nukes in every system available.

Our nuke policy is of credible deterrence, which means if we get attacked, our response would be massive and tactical nukes don't suit that policy.

 

[skdking]

Yes. Long back I stated that Brahmos is not Nuke capable. We have never tested any tactical nukes. But our media is as same as Pakis who have to put nukes in every system available.

Our nuke policy is of credible deterrence, which means if we get attacked, our response would be massive and tactical nukes don't suit that policy.

Am I correct in inferring from your reply that India has chosen not to miniaturise its nukes?

In view of India's policy of NFU and MCD, it seems logical. Thanks.

However, India must already be fully prepared to produce these tactical nukes at an iota's notice, because many high Indians have already declared that the NFU policy is not cast in stone and India would do what the situation demands.

Thanks, once more.

 

[Chinmoy]

Am I correct in inferring from your reply that India has chosen not to miniaturise its nukes?

Wrong. Miniaturization has nothing to do with the nuke being tactical or strategic. Its the yield of the device that decides whether the nuke is tactical or strategic.

However, India must already be fully prepared to produce these tactical nukes at an iota's notice, because many high Indians have already declared that the NFU policy is not cast in stone and India would do what the situation demands.

Thanks, once more.

Tactical nuke has again nothing to do with NFU policy. Pakis created these nukes to counter our Cold Start Doctrine. There logic was, they would bomb their own land to stop our marching troops. That way technically they would not be using the nukes against us as they would not be bombing India.
But India came up with the response that any kind of nuclear attack on Indians anywhere would be considered as nuclear attack on India and would be treated likewise. So the tactical nuke bogey has been taken care of.

 

[skdking]

Wrong. Miniaturization has nothing to do with the nuke being tactical or strategic. Its the yield of the device that decides whether the nuke is tactical or strategic.

Tactical nuke has again nothing to do with NFU policy. Pakis created these nukes to counter our Cold Start Doctrine. There logic was, they would bomb their own land to stop our marching troops. That way technically they would not be using the nukes against us as they would not be bombing India.
But India came up with the response that any kind of nuclear attack on Indians anywhere would be considered as nuclear attack on India and would be treated likewise. So the tactical nuke bogey has been taken care of.

You are right. As always.

 

[Chinmoy]

You are right. As always.

 

[lcafanboy]

If true....

 

[Chinmoy]

If true....

Let me give you another heart attack.

By his logic, even by flying at low supersonic speed of Mach 3, the missile covered a whooping 1500 km.

 

[Tuco]

Let me give you another heart attack.

By his logic, even by flying at low supersonic speed of Mach 3, the missile covered a whooping 1500 km.

He is talking about the disturbances in the force I suppose, not the range.