BrahMos Cruise Missile

[WolfPack86]

Can Brahmos missile can be launched from submarine?.

 

[Chinmoy]

Can Brahmos missile can be launched from submarine?.

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[cyclops]

Can Brahmos missile can be launched from submarine?.

It has technically never been fired from a submarine but it has been fired from an underwater pontoon.


P75I diesel electric AIP subs will in all probability have the capability to fire BrahMos.

 

[indiatester]

Doubt on the numbers.
By all means its a very potent delivery mechanism as test after test show the accuracy.

If we have conducted 62 tests, how many are we making and what is the cost of each system?
How much damage is done by the kinetic hit and how much damage can be inflicted by the warhead?

 

[Rahul Singh]

India successfully tested BrahMos with Indian-made seeker at Pokhran at 8.42 am.
https://twitter.com/indiandefencera?lang=en

Fantastic news. RCI is now churning all types of seekers. MMW, IIR, Ku and also X band (for AShM). Soon enough they will come with customised IIR for a WVRAAMs. Possibly they will just develop Astra MK-1 into an IR WVRAAM.

@Armand2REP

 

[Kshithij]

Fantastic news. RCI is now churning all types of seekers. MMW, IIR, Ku and also X band (for AShM). Soon enough they will come with customised IIR for a WVRAAMs. Possibly they will just develop Astra MK-1 into an IR WVRAAM.

@Armand2REP

Astra is very well capable of being a WVRAAM. Astra is 155kg weight which is higher than Derby (120kg) and R73 (105kg) but that difference is small enough to ignore. Astra's kill zone is about 15km whereas the kill zone of R73 is about 7km. The higher speed of Astra has a big effect disproportionate to its weight.

I find the usage of WVRAAM as wasteful.

 

[Steven Rogers]

Astra is very well capable of being a WVRAAM. Astra is 155kg weight which is higher than Derby (120kg) and R73 (105kg) but that difference is small enough to ignore. Astra's kill zone is about 15km whereas the kill zone of R73 is about 7km. The higher speed of Astra has a big effect disproportionate to its weight.

I find the usage of WVRAAM as wasteful.

The NEZ of Astra with indigenous seeker is about 35kms. Astra has offbore capability of 45 degrees at present.

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[Kshithij]

The NEZ of Astra with indigenous seeker is about 35kms. Astra has offbore capability of 45 degrees at present.

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35km is wrong. No escape zone includes flight across all 3 dimensions including away from the host plane. The NEZ is 15km in which the chances of hit to a plane which is travelling in supersonic speed of 2 Mach away from the host is 15km

 

[Steven Rogers]

35km is wrong. No escape zone includes flight across all 3 dimensions including away from the host plane. The NEZ is 15km in which the chances of hit to a plane which is travelling in supersonic speed of 2 Mach away from the host is 15km

No escape zone is the area where the missile can't be out run by the target, but it can out maneuver the missile. Astra has around 30-35kM No escape zone where the target can't out run the missile.

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[Rahul Singh]

I find the usage of WVRAAM as wasteful.

In 5th gen fighter combat, not at all.

BVRAAM depends on its host's ability to lock on a target at long distances. But active RCS reduction has already reduced BVR engagement ranges. In 5th generation, it will get even closer. Maybe two opposing 5th gen fighter won't be able to engage each other until they are at within visual ranges. Which is where IR guided missiles and guns are used.

It is only matter of time when DRDO announces such a project. The IR version of Astra Mk-1 won't weigh as much as RF version. However may not be as less as 100 kgs if Astra MK-1's RF seeker is simply replaced by IR seeker.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Astra is very well capable of being a WVRAAM. Astra is 155kg weight which is higher than Derby (120kg) and R73 (105kg) but that difference is small enough to ignore. Astra's kill zone is about 15km whereas the kill zone of R73 is about 7km. The higher speed of Astra has a big effect disproportionate to its weight.

I find the usage of WVRAAM as wasteful.

Astra Mk2 shall be lighter as it is proposed to made out of composite. Earlier there was a discussion that it will follow soon after Astra Mk1 but nothing seem to have happened. Mk1 in its test has turned out to be longer ranged than expected. Earlier it was revealed that it will have some 44 km range at 6 km height but it did 65 km in testing. It can do 100 KM + at 15 km height. Mk2 shall have atleast 30 km higher range.

 

[Steven Rogers]

Astra Mk2 shall be lighter as it is proposed to made out of composite. Earlier there was a discussion that it will follow soon after Astra Mk1 but nothing seem to have happened. Mk1 in its test has turned out to be longer ranged than expected. Earlier it was revealed that it will have some 44 km range at 6 km height but it did 65 km in testing. It can do 100 KM + at 15 km height. Mk2 shall have atleast 30 km higher range.

Mk2 or I say acc to Indian gov Astra NG, and that will have 100kms of range against maneuverable targets not stationary. And with stationary I mean relative speed is near zero

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[Kshithij]

Astra Mk2 shall be lighter as it is proposed to made out of composite. Earlier there was a discussion that it will follow soon after Astra Mk1 but nothing seem to have happened. Mk1 in its test has turned out to be longer ranged than expected. Earlier it was revealed that it will have some 44 km range at 6 km height but it did 65 km in testing. It can do 100 KM + at 15 km height. Mk2 shall have atleast 30 km higher range.

Astra already has composites and is RAM coated too. Astra has only 21km rannge from sea level which means that its NEZ for the same altitude is less than 20km and after 20km the altitude will drop.

If you want NEZ, the speed of the missile must be about 2Mach at the end. The distance travelled by missile before it reaches 4.5 Mach and then comes to 2Mach from launch is about 15km. Hence I am saying that NEz is 15km

 

[Steven Rogers]

Astra already has composites and is RAM coated too. Astra has only 21km rannge from sea level which means that its NEZ for the same altitude is less than 20km and after 20km the altitude will drop.

If you want NEZ, the speed of the missile must be about 2Mach at the end. The distance travelled by missile before it reaches 4.5 Mach and then comes to 2Mach from launch is about 15km. Hence I am saying that NEz is 15km

That not correct truly. At sea level any missile from all over the world is a mere wvr, the range depends on the altitude, and the range say 100kms is the distance bw the target and the source, once the missile is fired, missile is traveling at certain speed towards the target and target towards the missile, if the target turns as soon as the missile is fired, the target will decrease the relative velocity no and will out run the missile as missile will exhaust considerable energy and velocity at that range, but if the aircraft is traveling head on towards the missile, and if it only turns away from the missile in relatively under NEZ, then the target cannot out run the missile but can outturn, for a mixed profile general no. for NEZ for Astra is around 30-35kms, just like meteor has 60km NEZ. But for specific altitude and it differs from the stated value. A missile looses 25 percent energy at every 5 seconds at sea level, so the range is relatively lower than what it is at 12kms(25 percent at 25s) and at 25kms(25 per at every 150seconds). But the combat at 25km altitude is not possible as the aircraft will bleed energy at that altitude due poor burning of the fuel and less friction to maneuver the aircraft, at that altitude both missiles and targets are considered stationary.

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[Kshithij]

That not correct truly. At sea level any missile from all over the world is a mere wvr, the range depends on the altitude, and the range say 100kms is the distance bw the target and the source, once the missile is fired, missile is traveling at certain speed towards the target and target towards the missile, if the target turns as soon as the missile is fired, the target will decrease the relative velocity no and will out run the missile as missile will exhaust considerable energy and velocity at that range, but if the aircraft is traveling head on towards the missile, and if it only turns away from the missile in relatively under NEZ, then the target cannot out run the missile but can outturn, for a mixed profile general no. for NEZ for Astra is around 30-35kms, just like meteor has 60km NEZ. But for specific altitude and it differs from the stated value. A missile looses 25 percent energy at every 5 seconds at sea level, so the range is relatively lower than what it is at 12kms(25 percent at 25s) and at 25kms(25 per at every 150seconds). But the combat at 25km altitude is not possible as the aircraft will bleed energy at that altitude due poor burning of the fuel and less friction to maneuver the aircraft, at that altitude both missiles and targets are considered stationary.

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You must also include the fact that a plan can simply go vertically and out maneuver a BVR missile unless it has enough power to chase the plane down. The region within which the BVR missile has enough power to outmaneuver and chase down enemy is the NEZ. Just chasing is not enough as the fight is not a race

 

[HariPrasad-1]

The things that excite me more about Brahmos is not only brahmos itself but the spin off technologies developed for Brahmos. A state of art chip was developed for guidence of Brahmos which can receive guidence from multiple sources. It is said that a CL 20 based fuel is developed for Brahmos which can give it a great range and more speed. Light weight body material is developed for Brahmos. Now the Desi seeker is developed. This everything can go in our missile like pralay to make it more lethal and long range. This will also give us a great advantage in playing us deplomatic card more effectively. suppose we offer Brahmos to one nation then its enemy nation will certainly will shiver. We all know how China rattled when we offered Vietnam Brahmos and Akash Mk II. We shall have those weapons in our arsenal which can change the power of equation in many regions. A potent air defense system or a system like Prahar or Pinaka can change the equation of power and war. We need to play our cards smartly.

 

[Steven Rogers]

You must also include the fact that a plan can simply go vertically and out maneuver a BVR missile unless it has enough power to chase the plane down. The region within which the BVR missile has enough power to outmaneuver and chase down enemy is the NEZ. Just chasing is not enough as the fight is not a race

For out maneuvering any aircraft, a missile needs to perform 8 times more gees than the aircraft itself, no combat in 8 km altitude won't allow an aircraft to make 8g or high angle of attack.

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[WolfPack86]

You asked this question many times. Here is your answer.

http://www.brahmos.com/content.php?id=20

Thanks bro for sharing information.

 

[WolfPack86]

It has technically never been fired from a submarine but it has been fired from an underwater pontoon.


P75I diesel electric AIP subs will in all probability have the capability to fire BrahMos.

Thanks bro for sharing information.

 

[kunal1123]

idrw.org
Brahmos will breach mach 7 barrier in next decade – Indian Defence Research Wing
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SOURCE: PTI

Brahmos, the fastest missile in the world co-developed by India and Russia, will be breaching the mach 7 barrier to be a hypersonic system in the next decade, a top official said.

“We will require seven to ten years from now to become a hypersonic missile system,” Sudhir Mishra, the chief executive and managing director of the joint venture company Brahmos Aerospace, told PTI here over the weekend.

He said the missile, which currently travels at mach 2.8 or 2.8 times the speed of sound, will touch mach 3.5 soon and mach 5 in three years.

The current engine will have to be “tinkered” to achieve mach 5 and will have to be replaced to achieve hypersonic speed, he said.

The intent is to come out with a missile that will be able to deliver to the next-generation warfare, Mishra said.

He said Indian institutions including the DRDO, IITs and Indian Institute of Science are working on technologies which will help it achieve the goals and added that Russian institutes are also doing similar work.

He said the company, which has a majority 55 per cent holding by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and the remaining with Russia, has an order book of over Rs 30,000 crore at present.

Over the years, the basic missile system has been modified in a such a way that it can be fitted on various platforms, including ships, submarines, the Sukhoi-30 aircraft as well as land, for launch, he said.

Sharma claimed at present the missile system is 5-7 years ahead of the nearest competition from a development perspective.

“Today, this is the fastest cruise missile in the world. nobody including the US has such a missile system,” he said.

Mishra said the engine, propulsion technology and seeker are developed by the Russians, while Indians do control systems, guidance, software, airframes and fire control systems.

Over 70 per cent of the components are manufactured using private industrys help, he said.

Mishra, however, also conceded that the missiles will be relevant for only 25-30 years and warfare will shift to newer tools like “high power lasers and high power microwave weapons” which will not require “kinetic weapon” systems.