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if we use the paradigm "they get excited when they assume some country is going to send it's people to war on behalf of U.S" for ex "fight russia till the last ukranian" "fight china till the last Indian" , then their commentary and excitement makes sense.

it's basically the proxy war strategy, which is that commentators of his age group know most about, they get excited when ever where ever such possibility opens up. in our case they got most excited after our 2020 clash in ladakh, later found out that India is solving boundary disputes by means other than war.
True, to add on to that, I feel this particular news piece regarding Phillipines is more to do with American domestic politics. Before 2024 they want to bring some ambiguity regarding Indo-US relations to appease their voters. Or, it could be one of those turf wars between their military and deep state and a recalibration might take place soon post US and Indian elections. Or a combination of both might be happening, who knows.

OTOH, if they really think Phillipines can be a viable mercenary against the Chinese, good luck to the US. Let alone the capability, I doubt Phillipines even has an intent to pull a ukraine on China.
 
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True, to add on to that, I feel this particular news piece regarding Phillipines is more to do with American domestic politics. Before 2024 they want to bring some ambiguity regarding Indo-US relations to appease their voters. Or, it could be one of those turf wars between their military and deep state and a recalibration might take place soon post US and Indian elections. Or a combination of both might be happening, who knows.

OTOH, if they really think Phillipines can be a viable mercenary against the Chinese, good luck to the US. Let alone the capability, I doubt Phillipines even has an intent to pull a ukraine on China.
phillippines comes into play in defending legal claim over SCS by sending coast guard ships against invading chini fishing boats flotillas. so they have value.
 

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phillippines comes into play in defending legal claim over SCS by sending coast guard ships against invading chini fishing boats flotillas. so they have value.
Fair enough. But they're a security ally of the US and they were doing that anyway. This grouping's announcement only makes sense if it is supposed to go beyond that, to be a ukraine against China. I doubt if Philippines has the intent to do that.

If India's accused of being too reluctant - a power that actually has the intent and might to challenge China (and it has proven so) - I wonder how the likes of Australia or Philippines fit in.

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It's gonna be the mighty Phillipines Empire :hail:

This is a live example of foreign policy hegemony of US State Department.

They want the world to be seen solely from US perspective and wants others to move around them. Other nation's individual concerns are secondary to core US interests.

And this is why India doesn't put all its eggs in one basket...the US basket.
 

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This is a live example of foreign policy hegemony of US State Department.

They want the world to be seen solely from US perspective and wants others to move around them. Other nation's individual concerns are secondary to core US interests.

And this is why India doesn't put all its eggs in one basket...the US basket.
can also be read as, the incumbent murican foreign policy lobby groups who were heavily invested in the unipolar moment, are having difficulty letting go of their old perspectives to assess the ongoing geo political strategic adjustments.
 

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can also be read as, the incumbent murican foreign policy lobby groups who were heavily invested in the unipolar moment, are having difficulty letting go of their old perspectives to assess the ongoing geo political strategic adjustments.
They have to wake up and smell the coffee.

Gulf countries are already slashing daily crude oil output.
 

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They have to wake up and smell the coffee.

Gulf countries are already slashing daily crude oil output.
let's say there is existing 100 million $ job market for Trans atlantic & west asia lobbying in Washington DC, and only 10 million $ job openings for indo pacific lobbying. until Indo pacific theatre becomes 100 million $ job market there, we will keep hearing these job applications disguised as policy opinions.
 

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Interesting.
China Sr. Col. also asked India re leader or equal role in IOR for itself & US
India : "We are all equal participants in these regional constructs that I mentioned"
U.S : "absolutely an equal rel. That said, India also has a leadership role in the region, and we appreciate that"


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It's gonna be the mighty Phillipines Empire :hail:

Grossman has lost his mind regarding India and Philippines. The Philippines doesn't have a fraction of the naval, air or space power India has, and certainly can't serve as any economic or developmental counterbalance to China. Philippines itself purchased Brahmos from India, which is its first real military capability against China. India's vaccine aid and food aid, which were crucial in countering China's outreach during covid, cannot be matched by any other country in the region either. Certainly not Philippines.
 

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Grossman has lost his mind regarding India and Philippines. The Philippines doesn't have a fraction of the naval, air or space power India has, and certainly can't serve as any economic or developmental counterbalance to China. Philippines itself purchased Brahmos from India, which is its first real military capability against China. India's vaccine aid and food aid, which were crucial in countering China's outreach during covid, cannot be matched by any other country in the region either. Certainly not Philippines.
Phillipines falls in 1st island chain.

US has recently signed up for making atleast 4 new military bases in the country.

Its logical that US is sidelining with Phillipines.
 

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Phillipines falls in 1st island chain.

US has recently signed up for making atleast 3 military bases in the country.
Yes, but they already have a security treaty with the Philippines. Point is Philippines brings no new capability to the table apart from its own geography. The goal of the Quad is to pool resources together between more powerful countries to collectively counter China's economic and military expansion in Asia. That's very different from what Philippines offers, which is only its own land, where the US has to do the heavy lifting in terms of weapons and deployment.
 

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Yes, but they already have a security treaty with the Philippines. Point is Philippines brings no new capability to the table apart from its own geography. The goal of the Quad is to pool resources together between more powerful countries to collectively counter China's economic and military expansion in Asia. That's very different from what Philippines offers, which is only its own land, where the US has to do the heavy lifting in terms of weapons and deployment.
QUAD is not the thing US is looking for.

It wants military alliances, that's why we saw emergence of the AUKUS.
 

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True, to add on to that, I feel this particular news piece regarding Phillipines is more to do with American domestic politics. Before 2024 they want to bring some ambiguity regarding Indo-US relations to appease their voters. Or, it could be one of those turf wars between their military and deep state and a recalibration might take place soon post US and Indian elections. Or a combination of both might be happening, who knows.

OTOH, if they really think Phillipines can be a viable mercenary against the Chinese, good luck to the US. Let alone the capability, I doubt Phillipines even has an intent to pull a ukraine on China.
They aren't an India-replacement, they do need us as the Ukraine against Cheeni's Russia, for one we have the manpower necessary for such an endeavour, which is why they want to remove Mudiji and have Clown Prince w/ khichdi coalition installed.

Pinoypines has absolute 3rd world African tier army, navy and airforce, even from the warm bodies angle they don't have that many folks, assuming amphibious logistics will be provided by the USN, with pinoypines they have to build up a literal comedy armed forces from the ground up, imagine the cost of that :bplease:

The only reason Peenoise land makes sense is because of the geography and logistics, their island being part of the 1st Island Chain after all.
 

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QUAD is not the thing US is looking for.

It wants military alliances, that's why we saw emergence of the AUKUS.
People don't always get what they want :troll:

They want a soullless deracinated India afflicted with feminism and LGTV, willing to die for them against China like those Ukrani lemmings are doing against the Roosi.

What you get instead is a neech chaiwala who is attached with fevicol to this chair and keeps on buying oil from desperate Russians and saddles them with """""unusable""""" rupees instead :truestory:
 

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