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What are you guys' thoughts on the BHU issue regarding the hiring of a Muslim professor as instructor of Dharma Vigyan?

I understand that he is a Sanskrit scholar and very culturally Hindu, but I agree with the students that teaching Dharma should be done by Hindus only. How can someone who doesn't believe in Dharma be the "best candidate" to teach it? Sanskrit knowledge isn't the only prerequisite.

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Good article by OPIndia on the issue. One of their better pieces in recent memory.
https://www.opindia.com/2019/11/how...sed-to-be-secularised-unfairly-called-bigots/

BHU students have been protesting against the appointment of a Muslim professor in the Dharma Vigyan department. The students say, that in their course, they study mantra, shloka, yagna, vaidik rituals, Purohit Karm, recitation, Bhagwat recitation, jyotish, karmakand, etc. They are not only involved in studies but it is also the source of their livelihood. most of them spend their lives performing Purohit Karm. Essentially, the Dharma Vigyan department of BHU educates the future gatekeepers of Sanatan. The BHU students have repeatedly said that they are not against Muslims. They are not even against the Muslim professor teaching Sanskrit, however, they don’t want a non-Hindu, teaching them about their religion.
 

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OPIndia has done a fantastic job covering the issue, here is another article by them
https://www.opindia.com/2019/11/bhu-students-protest-firoz-khan-muslim-professor-sanskrit/
We perform Purohit Karm, we do not want Sanatan Dharma studies get influenced by Islam or Christianity: Protesting students at BHU
He further added, “Had there been another Hindu in his place, there would not have been any protests even if there was corruption in his appointment. Today the biggest reason for protest is that we do not want Islamic interpretation of our texts and Sanatan traditions. Muslims have done enough damage to our temples and Sanatan Hindu religion on the strength of violence in the past. Not any more. At least not where the soul of Mahamana resides.”
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This part is a gem from the same article
Vice Chancellor (VC) Rakesh Bhatnagar, who is also a professor at the JNU, held a conversation with students which was also inconclusive. When the students’ representatives went to meet the VC, he propped up the Constitution of India and refused to accept the ‘constitution’ of BHU. He said that Madan Mohan Malaviya was a human being, humans can be wrong but not written constitution. For him, ‘Malaviya values’ and ‘ideals’ hold no value. Students who study in BHU, still believe in the ideals of Madan Mohan Malviya and live by them. The VC is refusing to accept the constitution on which the BHU was built. In fact, it was recently reprinted and the same was launched by the VC. But he now says that he hadn’t read it but he had launched it as it is a tradition.
Chewtiya VC thinks the BHU constituion can be wrong because it was written by Malviya-ji, but the constitution, which was also written by humans, can't be wrong. :rofl:

Chewtiyas think the constitution comes from the Devas themselves and is infallible.
 
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If it was me, I would have expelled these troublemakers already.

He is teaching the language Sanskrit, not the Hindu religion. Instead of encouraging the spread of this language among others, these people are trying to discourage others from learning it by doing such antics. By their logic only British Protestants can teach English. Also it is almost 2020, and its funny people still fight about which imaginary person is better.


Also to the guy using Opindia as source, please provide a more legitimate/neutral source. Opindia is a known peddler of fake news.
 
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If it was me, I would have expelled these troublemakers already.

He is teaching the language Sanskrit, not the Hindu religion. Instead of encouraging the spread of this language among others, these people are trying to discourage others from learning it by doing such antics. By their logic only British Protestants can teach English. Also it is almost 2020, and its funny people still fight about which imaginary person is better.


Also to the guy using Opindia as source, please provide a more legitimate/neutral source. Opindia is a known peddler of fake news.
Training of future Purohits is fundamental to Hindu religion, nobody is objecting to Muslim asst. professor teaching Sanskrit in BHU.
 

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https://www.opindia.com/2019/11/bhp-controversy-svdv-professors-acharyas-support-students-exclusive/
BHU protests: SVDV professors, former professor and Acharyas of Vishwanath Mandir support students, here is what they say

There has been continuous opposition from the students of the Sanskrit Vidya Dharma Vigyan Faculty of Kashi Hindu University over the appointment of Dr Feroz Khan in the faculty. A large section of the media has conspired to divert the attention from the actual issue by making it a question of ‘Sanskrit language’ and ‘opposition to Muslim teacher’. This issue has created a lot of confusion among people. However, Opindia has attempted to present an accurate version of the students’ arguments on the whole matter.

This report documents the statement of the current professors of the faculty on various subjects, and that of the former head of department, the head of the Vishwanath Mandir Trust, as well as the Acharyas of Kashi on the matter of BHU protests.
 

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If it was me, I would have expelled these troublemakers already.

He is teaching the language Sanskrit, not the Hindu religion. Instead of encouraging the spread of this language among others, these people are trying to discourage others from learning it by doing such antics. By their logic only British Protestants can teach English. Also it is almost 2020, and its funny people still fight about which imaginary person is better.


Also to the guy using Opindia as source, please provide a more legitimate/neutral source. Opindia is a known peddler of fake news.
We are not talking about "teaching English"

How many non-Catholic Popes have you seen?
 

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If it was me, I would have expelled these troublemakers already.

He is teaching the language Sanskrit, not the Hindu religion. Instead of encouraging the spread of this language among others, these people are trying to discourage others from learning it by doing such antics. By their logic only British Protestants can teach English. Also it is almost 2020, and its funny people still fight about which imaginary person is better.


Also to the guy using Opindia as source, please provide a more legitimate/neutral source. Opindia is a known peddler of fake news.
"Opindia is a known peddler of fake news."
Evidence?
Exposing left wing and libtard lies or bringing out inconvenient and covered up historical events is not "fake news"
 

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I think the students are not objecting his teaching of Sanskrit, but hie teaching Karm-Kaand, which according to them should only be taught by a Hindu as per rules of BHU.
 

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If it was me, I would have expelled these troublemakers already.

He is teaching the language Sanskrit, not the Hindu religion. Instead of encouraging the spread of this language among others, these people are trying to discourage others from learning it by doing such antics. By their logic only British Protestants can teach English. Also it is almost 2020, and its funny people still fight about which imaginary person is better.


Also to the guy using Opindia as source, please provide a more legitimate/neutral source. Opindia is a known peddler of fake news.
Sanskrit isn't used as language for business these days nor for communication either. The department set up in BHU by Madan Mohan Malviya ji has a constitution and an aim to train Hindus scholar for Dharma and it's spread.

How a Hindu scholar taught by a muslim Prof is supposed to convert a muslim with arguments ?

The teaching course include Hindu religious texts not sanskrit as general language for communication.

Ideally he shouldn't have been even allowed to apply. There are many muslims Christians who learn Sanskrit in order to convert Hindus and if they become or are asked to be teacher of Hindus scholar that is ridiculous.
 

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This is against our Fundamental Rights.

FR under Article 29 And 30 are not only available to minorities but also majorities. If we have to go to court we should so.

BTW, VC of BHU is a person of a politician whose son in Modi-1 had to return money allegedly collected for transferring some officers .
 

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You guys are missing the larger picture.

It is a welcome sign that we have now started to fight small battles.

If you ask me this is a learning experience and will incur high costs on us at the start.

The good man Mr Feroz Khan is a collateral damage. Grow some spine to pay the price.

It is not about objectivity but exclusivity.

Many cults who have been now challenging us and preaching inclusiveness fought for their exclusivity. These cults became stone-cold, non-negotiating while reestablishing their ways of learning, propagating and practising their religion till they got this exclusivity that gave them impunity to operate the way they want & harness respect by enforcing their exclusivity. Their post-modern revisionary theology was made to look different than Hindusims and aligned with Islamo-Christian theology or Western industrialized universalism in order to stop their assimilation into eastern spirituality.

Hinduism doesn't have such a luxury. We are ought to lose in either case; of being more inclusive or aligning with them.

Hindus must preserve and enforce their exclusiveness against the notion that we have fed that being more organised means the risk of losing everything at once. This is timid and an approach of an unconfident civilization who otherwise aspires for some global guru recognition.

We must control and become the gatekeepers of our theology and its studies.

If the establishment doesn't support us then use your numbers to create pressure and don't be afraid of bad PR. We are never given good PR in the first place.

I was watching this whole issue with curiosity and treated it like a test case to see the reaction of so-called RW Hindus. They all have failed me. As usual, they fell prey of popular pseudo-moralist opinions without understanding the larger context.

This very thread shows a defensive, reactive and short term thinking of people concerned with this issue.

From Indology studies outsourced to Christian missionaries to looking up to leftist approval, we are only to lose from here.

It is high time we start from small strives and then build it up to a more exclusive Hindu religious-academic Ecosystem that is 'By the Hindus and for the Hindus'.

We will always have the opportunity to preach inclusiveness with straight face when the competing cults will go through their own disputes.
 
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Good videos by Ajit Bharti of Opindia on subject of on going BHU Issue.

MUST WATCH TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE WHOLE ISSUE IS ABOUT.

AND WHY THE APPOINTMENT OF FIROZ KHAN IS ATTACK ON HINDUISM AND BASIC INSTITUTION OF BHU. CREATED BY SHRI MAHAMANA MADAN MOHAN MALVIYA.



 

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You guys are missing the larger picture.

It is a welcome sign that we have now started to fight small battles.

If you ask me this is a learning experience and will incur high costs on us at the start.

The good man Mr Feroz Khan is a collateral damage. Grow some spine to pay the price.

It is not about objectivity but exclusivity.

Many cults who have been now challenging us and preaching inclusiveness fought for their exclusivity. These cults became stone-cold, non-negotiating while reestablishing their ways of learning, propagating and practising their religion till they got this exclusivity that gave them impunity to operate the way they want & harness respect by enforcing their exclusivity. Their post-modern revisionary theology was made to look different than Hindusims and aligned with Islamo-Christian theology or Western industrialized universalism in order to stop their assimilation into eastern spirituality.

Hinduism doesn't have such a luxury. We are ought to lose in either case; of being more inclusive or aligning with them.

Hindus must preserve and enforce their exclusiveness against the notion that we have fed that being more organised means the risk of losing everything at once. This is timid and an approach of an unconfident civilization who otherwise aspires for some global guru recognition.

We must control and become the gatekeepers of our theology and its studies.

If the establishment doesn't support us then use your numbers to create pressure and don't be afraid of bad PR. We are never given good PR in the first place.

I was watching this whole issue with curiosity and treated it like a test case to see the reaction of so-called RW Hindus. They all have failed me. As usual, they fell prey of popular pseudo-moralist opinions without understanding the larger context.

This very thread shows a defensive, reactive and short term thinking of people concerned with this issue.

From Indology studies outsourced to Christian missionaries to looking up to leftist approval, we are only to lose from here.

It is high time we start from small strives and then build it up to a more exclusive Hindu religious-academic Ecosystem that is 'By the Hindus and for the Hindus'.

We will always have the opportunity to preach inclusiveness with straight face when the competing cults will go through their own disputes.
And for this to happen, temples need to be freed from govt control.
 

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One or few Firoz Khans can't change Islamic extremism. We'll still be killed by jihad. Infiltration in our religion shouldn't be tolerated at any cost. No Firoz Khan in that post.
 

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And for this to happen, temples need to be freed from govt control.
As time goes past this is becoming even more important. I remember a few of my previous posts many years back when I wasn't too sure about it. Looking at how our money is being misused to help Christian missionaries and appease Muslims it has become quite a sickening spectacle to witness.

I have quite extensively read history how Sikhs freed their Temples and for the very right reasons. Trust me without mass agitations and nationwide mass mobility this issue is never going to be solved. Also looking at the current political map in the hindsight of Shiv Sena Treachery it looks even more difficult to bring all the units together.
 

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