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Bharat Bandh Protests unite opposition, help it paint BJP anti-Dalit
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The best thing that happened in the protest was
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This might not be related to Bharat Bandh. There are so many fake links floating about.
Whatever it is...achi dhulaayi ho gayi saalon ki
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During the current Bandh rioters desecrecated a Hanuman idol in the city. Now why would they do that if they are so religious...
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Which place did this happen?
In Bihar Jharkahnd and purvanchal the SC has Hanuman as their primary god every house has a hanuman dhwaj in their gardens. So yeah news seems dubious at best Hanuman ji is the last god they are gonna vandalize, might we work of the momins tho.
If it's in Maharashtra than it makes sense some Buddhist dalit converts are not as tolerant as the Tibetians and considering the Dalit and forward conflict is pretty intense there.
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It happened in Saharanpur but the video being circulated in old, it happened in 2017.
Although its not a popular thing to say in RW but
Gandhi Ji > Ambedkar.
Former supported traditional Indian ethos (see opinions on cow, hindu village model, espousal of many cherished hindu ideals like satya, ahimsa, simplicity). If he is critiqued for his naive pacifism for supporting khilafat, he also went on a hunger strike against British Govt decision of separate electorate for Dalits. His argument: Hindus cannot be divided at any cost. This way he was atleast consistent in his re-conciliatory approach, whatever one might think of it.
Later, on the other hand, sowed the seeds of anti hindu reactionary politics for which we will pay a huge price. Its fashionable for some RW to selectively quote him these days to portray him as a nationalist of some sort but I think his followers understand him better than RW. Fruit does not fall far from the tree.
Gandhi Ji > Ambedkar.
Former supported traditional Indian ethos (see opinions on cow, hindu village model, espousal of many cherished hindu ideals like satya, ahimsa, simplicity). If he is critiqued for his naive pacifism for supporting khilafat, he also went on a hunger strike against British Govt decision of separate electorate for Dalits. His argument: Hindus cannot be divided at any cost. This way he was atleast consistent in his re-conciliatory approach, whatever one might think of it.
Later, on the other hand, sowed the seeds of anti hindu reactionary politics for which we will pay a huge price. Its fashionable for some RW to selectively quote him these days to portray him as a nationalist of some sort but I think his followers understand him better than RW. Fruit does not fall far from the tree.
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The truth has never been so adequately said take a bow sir
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< and > is same sign. How one perceives it depends on from which angle you are looking at i. e. which side you stand/ are born.
Ambedkarite didn't take to Buddhism for its inherent merits but rather because their cult leader told them to do so. Naturally they know next to nothing Buddhism except that (in their minds) Buddha started some sort of protestant rebellion against priesthood. From the 22 vows ambedkar administered it appears that navayana buddhism (sect started by ambedkar) is more about reactionary separatist identity politics (ie being different to Hindus) than it is about the Dhamma as Buddha taught. Guru SN Goenka Ji tried to steer them away from politics into more mainstream buddhism but I saw a blog once where even he was accused of being a manuwadi conspirator for teaching vipasssana meditation, how vipassana was not really taught by Buddha but a brahmin corruption etc.
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Jogendra nath mandal's decision was wrong obviously. And Dr Ambedkar was not a prophet that he has to be perfect and correct all the time. What you can not accuse him of is being hypocrite and dishonest. He always was clear he was doing politics for certain section of population.
Neither did he claim to be spiritual leader. All that spiritual aspect of religion doesn't matter much in real life politics and economy anyway. Once people become spiritual they dont bother about these worldly things much. Those who do politics and intellectualization of religion are often non religious people /political animals.
What exactly was Ambedkar's motive behind starting navayana buddhism then that too with his own rules (instead of following a traditional established school) if not to become a religious /cult leader ? He created a whole political ideology by reducing a rich spiritual tradition to a mere anti-brahmin struggle ( how would buddhists in sikkim, ladakh or outside india feel about it ?), is that not intellectualizing of religion ? Appropriation of Buddhist symbols ashok chakra, buddhas images by ambedkarite parties is what if not politics by religion ?
Don't get me wrong I'm not really over the top fan of any politician. All have their quirks, I can prefer some over others but I feel its double standards to make gandhi criticism kosher and consider ambedkar as some sort of infallible, so much so that even thought crime and blaspheming his name can get you in legal trouble :-
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...an-lawyer-court-orders-fir-1194954-2018-03-22
^ not that i agree with the tone his tweet but why is this not ok but abusing hindu gods (forget gandhi) is ?
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It's ok to Abuse Hindu Gods because it selects for those in Bureaucracy who would be low status & unlkely to rebel alongside eventual Hindu resistance.
Any type of higher level thinking in social influence could be called religion. Socialism, secularism, democracy are all religion.
Are you going to tell me that Sanatan Dharma which kept invaders at bay while Europe ran around in Dark age with Rome's population in 100AD not matching it until 1800s is undeserving of leading politics of country.
We should listen to German philosophers when already 1/4 babies in Germany were born to unwed mother in 1800s?
https://www.socialmatter.net/2018/02/05/fundamental-problems-democracy/
https://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2017/12/13/bioleninism-the-first-step/
European ideas are imported as secular but Indian ideas on economics, thought, governance, family, poverty are called religious and only allowed to be learned by Goras in Harvard and applied to their society?
After they get stamp of approval and we fall worse into pits we get to try them in some caustic form.
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Thats what i said, motive is political and he was clear about what his centre of his politics is i. e. Bahishkrit samaj. Hinduism is a closed political economic system for the savarna elites. Why expect outcast slave class to respect it? If the system has no place for them, why not think of possible ways to destroy it and try a new system.
Baki ideally no god or person should be above criticism but in practice it is a matter of prudence.
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Tuesday, April, 17, 2018
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Artificial Intelligence, GIS, big data helped in successful Bharat Bandh on April 2: US-based Dalit activists
By PTI | Published: 17th April 2018 04:31 PM |
Last Updated: 17th April 2018 04:31 PM | A+A A- |
The Bharat Bandh had surprised many because of its sudden eruption, was organised against the alleged dilution of the SC/ST (Prevention of Atrocities) Act. (File | PTI)
WASHINGTON: The Bharat Bandh on April 2 called by Dalit groups was a result of the successful use of artificial intelligence (AI), the geographic information system (GIS) and big data, according to a core group of US-based Dalit activists.
The protest, which surprised many because of its sudden eruption, was organised against the alleged dilution of the SC/ST (Prevention of Atrocities) Act.
New Jersey-based Deelip Mhaske, who heads a secretive network of some 100 overseas Dalit activists based in the US, the UK, Australia and the Middle East said the protest shows that Dalits no longer need to be affiliated to any political establishment.
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- Dalits being tortured post April 2 Bharat Bandh agitation: BJP MP Udit Raj
- Day after Bharat Bandh, Dalit politicians' houses targetted in Rajasthan's Karauli district; curfew imposed
- Bharat Bandh: Internet suspended in Meerut till 2 pm
- Bharat Bandh: Mayawati denies BSP hand in strife; Mamata Banerjee, RJD support Dalits
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Most of these Dalit activists in the secretive group are from the IT sector and work in some of the top info-tech companies.
Except for Mhaske, who has formed the Foundation for Human Horizon out of New York, no one wished to be identified.
Several of them who spoke to PTI on condition of anonymity, said that over the past three years, they have worked to create a social-media based network of like-minded Dalit activists across India, who are primarily focused in 100 parliamentary constituency in six politically crucial states of Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan, Bihar and Maharashtra.
"April 2 Bharat Bandh was a trial run.It was successful," Mhaske said.
Over the past few years, the group has used artificial intelligence to harvest millions of publicly available data and those from the social media platforms like Facebook to identify and target the groups to foment unrest against certain political groups.
Mhaske claimed in the last three years, the group has spent between USD 300,000-USD 500,000 in purchasing relevant data from social media.
One of the recent ones was purchased from a London- based company. But, members of the group insist that this is "certainly not" from the UK-based Cambridge Analytica, which is at the centre of Facebook's data scandal.
According to the 56-page 'Social Media and Dalit Atrocities: A report on social media strategy for Dalit Advocacy Group' prepared by this London-based data analytics firm, Dalits have potential to influence 100 constituency using social media, making them the game changers of the 2019 Lok Sabha elections.
An abridged version of the report was with PTI.
For about a week, the PTI was also given access to some of the closed WhatsApp and Telegraph groups created in various parts of the country to give a sense of the modus- operandi and nature of work of these overseas Dalit activists and how they are using these social media platform to further their cause.
The access has now been withdrawn.
The report says that the Dalit's social media usage is now sufficiently widespread to have the power to influence the outcome of the 100 seats in the next Lok Sabha elections and consequently government formation.
Social media strategy can empower Dalits to eliminate caste-based atrocities as well as increase their participation in the policy making, the report said, emphasising the need for Dalit advocates to draw evidence-based social media strategies to connect Dalits.
A London-based Dalit activist said the April 2 Bharat Bandh was a trial run for "peer-to-peer" targeting, as now it believes that the mobile revolution in India has created enough critical mass of social media users.
Initially, the plan was to test waters on April 14, the birth anniversary of Babasaheb Ambedkar, by a nationwide instant protest.
However, the group decided to give it a trial run on April 2 following a Supreme Court verdict, which created a sense of anger among Dalits.
Giving an insight into the network, one of the IT experts from the group said that the census and election commission data on electorate was collected and compared with the data published by Facebook on their website.
"We culled the data from this page, constituency by constituency, one constituency at a time," the Dalit IT expert said.
"The use of GIS in social mapping is new technology and not tested before with the vulnerable population like Dalits," the report said.
Mhaske said the data analytics and social media company hired to analyse the caste atrocities relationship to the people's social media post, government responses and unrested areas socio-political issues, including the political representations, found no relationship between the elected political leaders or party affiliation and increase in the atrocities.
The Supreme Court had on March 20 diluted certain provisions of the SC/ST Prevention of Atrocities Act, in a bid to protect 'honest' public servants discharging bona fide duties from being blackmailed with false cases under the Act.
The apex court's verdict is being widely criticised by the Dalits and the Opposition who claim that the dilution of the Act will lead to more discrimination and crimes against the backward community.
After the Supreme Court's verdict, a detailed social media plan was created and feed was sent to the local groups in 100 Lok Sabha constituencies.
"People joined the call without knowing who is calling it.
'Bharat Bandh' was called through social media using Artificial Intelligence and social media technology," Mhaske said.
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@undeadmyrmidon I think you were right bro, this was a US based destabilization attempt.
Tuesday, April, 17, 2018
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Artificial Intelligence, GIS, big data helped in successful Bharat Bandh on April 2: US-based Dalit activists
By PTI | Published: 17th April 2018 04:31 PM |
Last Updated: 17th April 2018 04:31 PM | A+A A- |
The Bharat Bandh had surprised many because of its sudden eruption, was organised against the alleged dilution of the SC/ST (Prevention of Atrocities) Act. (File | PTI)
WASHINGTON: The Bharat Bandh on April 2 called by Dalit groups was a result of the successful use of artificial intelligence (AI), the geographic information system (GIS) and big data, according to a core group of US-based Dalit activists.
The protest, which surprised many because of its sudden eruption, was organised against the alleged dilution of the SC/ST (Prevention of Atrocities) Act.
New Jersey-based Deelip Mhaske, who heads a secretive network of some 100 overseas Dalit activists based in the US, the UK, Australia and the Middle East said the protest shows that Dalits no longer need to be affiliated to any political establishment.
"A new era for Dalit politics has begun by adopting artificial intelligence, the GIS and social media," Mhaske told PTI in an interview as he gave an insight into how Dalit groups were mobilised during the protest.
Related Article- Bharat Bandh: BJP leader who offered Rs 10 lakh for cutting Mirwaiz Umar Farooq's tongue arrested in Madhya Pradesh for inciting violence
- Dalits being tortured post April 2 Bharat Bandh agitation: BJP MP Udit Raj
- Day after Bharat Bandh, Dalit politicians' houses targetted in Rajasthan's Karauli district; curfew imposed
- Bharat Bandh: Internet suspended in Meerut till 2 pm
- Bharat Bandh: Mayawati denies BSP hand in strife; Mamata Banerjee, RJD support Dalits
- Under pressure after nation-wide Bharat bandh, Centre urges Supreme Court to recall order on SC/ST Act
Most of these Dalit activists in the secretive group are from the IT sector and work in some of the top info-tech companies.
Except for Mhaske, who has formed the Foundation for Human Horizon out of New York, no one wished to be identified.
Several of them who spoke to PTI on condition of anonymity, said that over the past three years, they have worked to create a social-media based network of like-minded Dalit activists across India, who are primarily focused in 100 parliamentary constituency in six politically crucial states of Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan, Bihar and Maharashtra.
"April 2 Bharat Bandh was a trial run.It was successful," Mhaske said.
Over the past few years, the group has used artificial intelligence to harvest millions of publicly available data and those from the social media platforms like Facebook to identify and target the groups to foment unrest against certain political groups.
Mhaske claimed in the last three years, the group has spent between USD 300,000-USD 500,000 in purchasing relevant data from social media.
One of the recent ones was purchased from a London- based company. But, members of the group insist that this is "certainly not" from the UK-based Cambridge Analytica, which is at the centre of Facebook's data scandal.
According to the 56-page 'Social Media and Dalit Atrocities: A report on social media strategy for Dalit Advocacy Group' prepared by this London-based data analytics firm, Dalits have potential to influence 100 constituency using social media, making them the game changers of the 2019 Lok Sabha elections.
An abridged version of the report was with PTI.
For about a week, the PTI was also given access to some of the closed WhatsApp and Telegraph groups created in various parts of the country to give a sense of the modus- operandi and nature of work of these overseas Dalit activists and how they are using these social media platform to further their cause.
The access has now been withdrawn.
The report says that the Dalit's social media usage is now sufficiently widespread to have the power to influence the outcome of the 100 seats in the next Lok Sabha elections and consequently government formation.
Social media strategy can empower Dalits to eliminate caste-based atrocities as well as increase their participation in the policy making, the report said, emphasising the need for Dalit advocates to draw evidence-based social media strategies to connect Dalits.
A London-based Dalit activist said the April 2 Bharat Bandh was a trial run for "peer-to-peer" targeting, as now it believes that the mobile revolution in India has created enough critical mass of social media users.
Initially, the plan was to test waters on April 14, the birth anniversary of Babasaheb Ambedkar, by a nationwide instant protest.
However, the group decided to give it a trial run on April 2 following a Supreme Court verdict, which created a sense of anger among Dalits.
Giving an insight into the network, one of the IT experts from the group said that the census and election commission data on electorate was collected and compared with the data published by Facebook on their website.
"We culled the data from this page, constituency by constituency, one constituency at a time," the Dalit IT expert said.
"The use of GIS in social mapping is new technology and not tested before with the vulnerable population like Dalits," the report said.
Mhaske said the data analytics and social media company hired to analyse the caste atrocities relationship to the people's social media post, government responses and unrested areas socio-political issues, including the political representations, found no relationship between the elected political leaders or party affiliation and increase in the atrocities.
The Supreme Court had on March 20 diluted certain provisions of the SC/ST Prevention of Atrocities Act, in a bid to protect 'honest' public servants discharging bona fide duties from being blackmailed with false cases under the Act.
The apex court's verdict is being widely criticised by the Dalits and the Opposition who claim that the dilution of the Act will lead to more discrimination and crimes against the backward community.
After the Supreme Court's verdict, a detailed social media plan was created and feed was sent to the local groups in 100 Lok Sabha constituencies.
"People joined the call without knowing who is calling it.
'Bharat Bandh' was called through social media using Artificial Intelligence and social media technology," Mhaske said.
We gotta take care of these scum and block these companies and IT operators from ever operating in India.
