Balkanization of Pakistan

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A thread about Balkanization of Pakistan and how likely it is. Who would do it, India? US? Coalition of western countries? And how would it work? I can see India and Afghanistan doing it together, and I can see the west helping out because of Pakistan's unstable nuclear weapons and the Taliban and air lift of evil and hiding Osama and stuff. I could potentially see iran helping out because of Pak being saudi's slave, but I doubt it because a free balochistan is dangerous to Iran.

I would say put northern Balochistan KPK and FATA annexed by Afghanistan. This could be done with the help of Afghanistan and a Western Coalition.

Then make the rest of Balochistan, and Sindh (which will be named Sindhudesh) into a separate nation with the effort of a Giant Coalition including India.

POK can join India through India's efforts alone,

Finally Punjab can be renamed New Pakistan or just be called Punjab, after being occupied by the coalition and put under martial law until the other regions are built into new countries or added to Afghanistan and India and transitioned into them.

I would also take a few of the eastern most districts of punjab like Nanak Sahib and Lahore and few others in a semicircular region and separate them and then combine them into Khalistan just so that those Sikhs who want it can go there.
 
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If there wasn't the involvement of Nukes,we would've annexed POK by now,just like we annexed Kargil heights(1971) and siachen (1983,1987) in Swift action and turned the CFL line into LOC.

It was the Dogra territory,who were less than 1% of the population and ruling 90% musalman until 1947, POK still has several Hindu lanmarks,Bhimber itself is named after Bhim,kotli has many ancient temples,first Shiva sukta inscribed on stones are only found in Kashmir,however several Muslim districts from present day Jammu cleansed by deadly riots and kicked out muslim refugees to POK,For Ex - Kathua.

Nehru fucked this up,anyways RAW should arm Pashtun fighters and finance them on both sides and hire their influential tribal leader to foment pashtun nationalism among small kids.

Sindhudesh can't be a free country for that Sindhi's are inferior weaklings historically and lack warrior skills,a bloody crackdown from Punjabi Musalman army will broke their back,at best we can do some destabilizing activities like RAW did during Khalistan insurgency in retaliation. (Team CIT - X and team CIT - J)

As for Baluchistan the ongoing low intensity war is enough, they already hate Punjabis to an extent that recently they killed 20 plus non baloch and attacked Badin Radar facility not once but twice. @Zarvan Isn't it right ?
 
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If there wasn't the involvement of Nukes,we would've annexed POK by now,just like we annexed Kargil heights(1971) and siachen (1983,1987) in Swift action and turned the CFL line into LOC.

It was the Dogra territory,who were less than 1% of the population and ruling 90% musalman until 1947, POK still has several Hindu lanmarks,Bhimber itself is named after Bhim,kotli has many ancient temples,first Shiva sukta inscribed on stones are only found in Kashmir,however several Muslim districts from present day Jammu cleansed by deadly riots and kicked out muslim refugees to POK,For Ex - Kathua.

Nehru fucked this up,anyways RAW should arm Pashtun fighters and finance them on both sides and hire their influential tribal leader to foment pashtun nationalism among small kids.

Sindhudesh can't be a free country for that Sindhi's are inferior weaklings historically and lack warrior skills,a bloody crackdown from Punjabi Musalman army will broke their back,at best we can do some destabilizing activities like RAW did during Khalistan insurgency in retaliation. (Team CIT - X and team CIT - J)

As for Baluchistan the ongoing low intensity war is enough, they already hate Punjabis to an extent that recently they killed 20 plus non baloch and attacked Badin Radar facility not once but twice. @Zarvan Isn't it right ?
If a Western Coalition plus India invaded Sindh and destroyed all the military bases (along with conquering and dividing the rest of Pakistan), can't they train the Sindhis to have their own army? The independence groups (JS something) can then be the two political parties representing it after a government is created.
 

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If a Western Coalition plus India invaded Sindh and destroyed all the military bases (along with conquering and dividing the rest of Pakistan), can't they train the Sindhis to have their own army? The independence groups (JS something) can then be the two political parties representing it after a government is created.
Now why would a western coalition attack pak,do they have prior claim over sindh ?They can't even invade Syria let alone pak.

similarly India can't annex sindh the boundary in that region is settled apart from Ran of Kutch,besides there are nukes involved.

However to bargain POK,we can invade areas bordering Rajasthan (sindh) and Punjab and force Pakis to use their tactical nukes inside pak,especially the fertile plains of Punjab,the paki food belt.
 

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Now why would a western coalition attack pak,do they have prior claim over sindh ?They can't even invade Syria let alone pak.

similarly India can't annex sindh the boundary in that region is settled apart from Ran of Kutch,besides there are nukes involved.

However to bargain POK,we can invade areas bordering Rajasthan (sindh) and Punjab and force Pakis to use their tactical nukes inside pak,especially the fertile plains of Punjab,the paki food belt.
They could make up some BS like they did with Gaddaffi and Saddam like "Militants have taken over Islamabad" and "OMG They have Nukes they are going to hit Israel" and since Israel is #1 priority for USA I could see a good chance of them doing it.

But yeah forcing them to nuke the fertile plains would be a good idea.
 

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A thread about Balkanization of Pakistan and how likely it is. Who would do it, India? US? Coalition of western countries? And how would it work? I can see India and Afghanistan doing it together, and I can see the west helping out because of Pakistan's unstable nuclear weapons and the Taliban and air lift of evil and hiding Osama and stuff. I could potentially see iran helping out because of Pak being saudi's slave, but I doubt it because a free balochistan is dangerous to Iran.

I would say put northern Balochistan KPK and FATA annexed by Afghanistan. This could be done with the help of Afghanistan and a Western Coalition.

Then make the rest of Balochistan, and Sindh (which will be named Sindhudesh) into a separate nation with the effort of a Giant Coalition including India.

POK can join India through India's efforts alone,

Finally Punjab can be renamed New Pakistan or just be called Punjab, after being occupied by the coalition and put under martial law until the other regions are built into new countries or added to Afghanistan and India and transitioned into them.

I would also take a few of the eastern most districts of punjab like Nanak Sahib and Lahore and few others in a semicircular region and separate them and then combine them into Khalistan just so that those Sikhs who want it can go there.
Before asking who, how, when and so on one should think of the consequences; that is how this chess match known as geopolitics works.

Two important things that needs to be thought about will be:
Large scale war and balkanization of pakistan will create a refugee influx that will make the refugee crisis in europe look like a walk in the park.
China's reaction will almost certainly be against india if india tries to balkanize pakistan. And china's actions against india, in this case, will probably not be limited to pakistan region.

As for nuclear war: exploding lots of nukes anywhere in the indian subcontinent will create fall out problems; and as most of the winds blow toward the himalayas it might contaminate the major rivers.
 

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a free balochistan is dangerous to Iran.

I would say put northern Balochistan KPK and FATA annexed by Afghanistan. This could be done with the help of Afghanistan and a Western Coalition.

Then make the rest of Balochistan, and Sindh (which will be named Sindhudesh) into a separate nation with the effort of a Giant Coalition including India.

POK can join India through India's efforts alone,

Finally Punjab can be renamed New Pakistan or just be called Punjab, after being occupied by the coalition and put under martial law until the other regions are built into new countries or added to Afghanistan and India and transitioned into them.

I would also take a few of the eastern most districts of punjab like Nanak Sahib and Lahore and few others in a semicircular region and separate them and then combine them into Khalistan just so that those Sikhs who want it can go there.
If there wasn't the involvement of Nukes,we would've annexed POK by now,just like we annexed Kargil heights(1971) and siachen (1983,1987) in Swift action and turned the CFL line into LOC.
sindh will return to india , especially with large numbers of MQM in there ...so too will pok and Gilgit -B

and india will take the entire coastal region of balouchistan

so b-stan will be a land-based country like a-stan

punjab will be diffiult ......india shoul take lahore whih atually was hinu majority before the iret action of pakjabis an a few other border areas but otherwise india should appease the pakjabis by allowing them to retain most of baluchistan and nwfp

the pakjabi population should as far as possible be pushed into baluchistan and nwfp and they will share territory with balouchis and pakhtoons and they can have perpetual civil war amongst themselves if they cant get along and that will keep them busy for the next 500 years

this is the best solution i can think of to avoid an all out nuke war with MAD but we may have to pay the price of a couple of nukes going off here and there before India proposes to pakjabis a solution where they still get to keep the rump of b.stan and all of nwfp

so we will have a new pakjabstan, a land-based country just as today's a-stan is ...... consisting of parts of todays pak -controlled punjab, nwfp plus b-stan ( minus the coastal area ) ..... to appease iran, b-stan cant be given independence so push them into a forced ( unstable ) coalition with the pakjabs and pakhtoons so they can blame and fight each other and the blame is off india

as they will not have any access to the sea, the CPEC becomes useless and they can get access via iran ....now if iran in unhappy about that, then it becomes a 5-cornered fight and we can easily sell this idea to the usa and Zionists because they will love the idea of 5 mooose countries fighting among themselves ! so the idea is feasible in that sense

no territory will be given to a-stan .....if they want it they will have to come get it from beloush and pakjabis who will then live in b-stan ( minus the coastal region which goes to india ) and that will make it a beautiful 4 - cornered fight and keep them busy among themselves and thus have no time nor resources to bother india ...... for a looong time ! ( happily ever after !! )

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They could make up some BS like they did with Gaddaffi and Saddam like "Militants have taken over Islamabad" and "OMG They have Nukes they are going to hit Israel" and since Israel is #1 priority for USA I could see a good chance of them doing it.

But yeah forcing them to nuke the fertile plains would be a good idea.
http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2015/11/ruse-and-reality-on-border.html?m=1

LOL they attacked Iraq Syria etc for Jewish banking interests & to weaken Shias.

Libya due to gold dinar, they have more interest in a strong pakistan keeping India in check as they want to abrahamise Asia & only we can stand in way.

What you don't understand about refugee wave is, lol you have to let them in.

Plenty of Sikhs will sit in Punjab & Jammu shooting refugees all day they won't let them in.
 

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Before asking who, how, when and so on one should think of the consequences; that is how this chess match known as geopolitics works.

Two important things that needs to be thought about will be:
Large scale war and balkanization of pakistan will create a refugee influx that will make the refugee crisis in europe look like a walk in the park.
China's reaction will almost certainly be against india if india tries to balkanize pakistan. And china's actions against india, in this case, will probably not be limited to pakistan region.

As for nuclear war: exploding lots of nukes anywhere in the indian subcontinent will create fall out problems; and as most of the winds blow toward the himalayas it might contaminate the major rivers.
Would China go that far to defend Pakistan if the rest of the world is against Pak? And agreed about the refugee crisis, you just have to not let them in though, it's not like they can run to Europe like the Syrians.
sindh will return to india , especially with large numbers of MQM in there ...so too will pok and Gilgit -B

and india will take the entire coastal region of balouchistan

so b-stan will be a land-based country like a-stan

punjab will be diffiult ......india shoul take lahore whih atually was hinu majority before the iret action of pakjabis an a few other border areas but otherwise india should appease the pakjabis by allowing them to retain most of baluchistan and nwfp

the pakjabi population should as far as possible be pushed into baluchistan and nwfp and they will share territory with balouchis and pakhtoons and they can have perpetual civil war amongst themselves if they cant get along and that will keep them busy for the next 500 years

this is the best solution i can think of to avoid an all out nuke war with MAD but we may have to pay the price of a couple of nukes going off here and there before India proposes to pakjabis a solution where they still get to keep the rump of b.stan and all of nwfp

so we will have a new pakjabstan, a land-based country just as today's a-stan is ...... consisting of parts of todays pak -controlled punjab, nwfp plus b-stan ( minus the coastal area ) ..... to appease iran, b-stan cant be given independence so push them into a forced ( unstable ) coalition with the pakjabs and pakhtoons so they can blame and fight each other and the blame is off india

as they will not have any access to the sea, the CPEC becomes useless and they can get access via iran ....now if iran in unhappy about that, then it becomes a 5-cornered fight and we can easily sell this idea to the usa and Zionists because they will love the idea of 5 mooose countries fighting among themselves ! so the idea is feasible in that sense

no territory will be given to a-stan .....if they want it they will have to come get it from beloush and pakjabis who will then live in b-stan ( minus the coastal region which goes to india ) and that will make it a beautiful 4 - cornered fight and keep them busy among themselves and thus have no time nor resources to bother india ...... for a looong time ! ( happily ever after !! )

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Won't they be continuously sending militants to India if they are in a civil war? And how will Baloch rebels allow lack of coastline access? And what is wrong with giving a-stan territory?
 

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sindh will return to india , especially with large numbers of MQM in there ...so too will pok and Gilgit -B

and india will take the entire coastal region of balouchistan

so b-stan will be a land-based country like a-stan

punjab will be diffiult ......india shoul take lahore whih atually was hinu majority before the iret action of pakjabis an a few other border areas but otherwise india should appease the pakjabis by allowing them to retain most of baluchistan and nwfp

the pakjabi population should as far as possible be pushed into baluchistan and nwfp and they will share territory with balouchis and pakhtoons and they can have perpetual civil war amongst themselves if they cant get along and that will keep them busy for the next 500 years

this is the best solution i can think of to avoid an all out nuke war with MAD but we may have to pay the price of a couple of nukes going off here and there before India proposes to pakjabis a solution where they still get to keep the rump of b.stan and all of nwfp

so we will have a new pakjabstan, a land-based country just as today's a-stan is ...... consisting of parts of todays pak -controlled punjab, nwfp plus b-stan ( minus the coastal area ) ..... to appease iran, b-stan cant be given independence so push them into a forced ( unstable ) coalition with the pakjabs and pakhtoons so they can blame and fight each other and the blame is off india

as they will not have any access to the sea, the CPEC becomes useless and they can get access via iran ....now if iran in unhappy about that, then it becomes a 5-cornered fight and we can easily sell this idea to the usa and Zionists because they will love the idea of 5 mooose countries fighting among themselves ! so the idea is feasible in that sense

no territory will be given to a-stan .....if they want it they will have to come get it from beloush and pakjabis who will then live in b-stan ( minus the coastal region which goes to india ) and that will make it a beautiful 4 - cornered fight and keep them busy among themselves and thus have no time nor resources to bother india ...... for a looong time ! ( happily ever after !! )

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You think MQM is pro India ?

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1. Would China go that far to defend Pakistan if the rest of the world is against Pak? 2.And agreed about the refugee crisis, you just have to not let them in though, it's not like they can run to Europe like the Syrians.
1. Maybe.
China will try to protect its interests in the region and a destabilized pakistan is certainly against china's interest, viz a viz instability in Xinjiang, Tibet, C. Asia and sustenance of trade/trade links to ME, C. Asia etc.
2. I'm not talking about Pakistani refugees going to Europe but India, China, Iran etc. This is against the interests of these countries and Iran and China will try to prevent it. They (Iran, Persia) would like a relatively weak, controllable Pakistan not a destabilized and/or balkanized Pakistan.
 

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1. Maybe.
China will try to protect its interests in the region and a destabilized pakistan is certainly against china's interest, viz a viz instability in Xinjiang, Tibet, C. Asia and sustenance of trade/trade links to ME, C. Asia etc.
2. I'm not talking about Pakistani refugees going to Europe but India, China, Iran etc. This is against the interests of these countries and Iran and China will try to prevent it. They (Iran, Persia) would like a relatively weak, controllable Pakistan not a destabilized and/or balkanized Pakistan.
2. Pakis are trying to go to Europe even now. Paki and Afghans form a big chunk of refugees here. Also, India has good border fence on LOC due to terrorism, so I do not think India will face much refugee problem unless politicians become naive and stupid.
 

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Balkanization of Pakistan is never going to happen.
So pardon me for throwing a spanner on your wet dreams.
Unless Pakistan is sucking the d****s of US and China it is completely safe and secure.
 

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Balkanization of Pakistan is never going to happen.
So pardon me for throwing a spanner on your wet dreams.
Unless Pakistan is sucking the d****s of US and China it is completely safe and secure.
It was sucking US when Bangladesh happened. It is still possible.
 

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2. Pakis are trying to go to Europe even now. Paki and Afghans form a big chunk of refugees here. Also, India has good border fence on LOC due to terrorism, so I do not think India will face much refugee problem unless politicians become naive and stupid.
2a. I wasn't saying Pakistanis will not go to Europe. I am saying the immediate neighborhood is more at risk. For example, in the recent syrian crises, turkey received the largest chunk, and in ukrainian crises, Russia received over a milloin refugees. Yes, India's BSF seems solid but pakistan's significantly larger demographic must also be factored in.
In conlusion, all I'm saying is these uncertainities (we're dealing with the possiblity of tens of milloins of refugees) will not allow neigboring countries (like China, Iran, Russia) to just sit and watch, even if West/India coalition (if at all that is possible) will try destabilizing Pakistan.
 

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2a. I wasn't saying Pakistanis will not go to Europe. I am saying the immediate neighborhood is more at risk. For example, in the recent syrian crises, turkey received the largest chunk, and in ukrainian crises, Russia received over a milloin refugees. Yes, India's BSF seems solid but pakistan's significantly larger demographic must also be factored in.
In conlusion, all I'm saying is these uncertainities (we're dealing with the possiblity of tens of milloins of refugees) will not allow neigboring countries (like China, Iran, Russia) to just sit and watch, even if West/India coalition (if at all that is possible) will try destabilizing Pakistan.
Just give free hand to Punjab Rajputana no one will be left even in Jammu.

You forget refugee means someone gives them food water. It's political decision lol don't be naive

If eu wanted one battery of artillery could end whole refugee crisis.
 

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